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    Post by ViralEnsign_ Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:38 am

    Why wouldnt you? 15 bucks isnt all that much to shell out on a DLC. And I live in NZ where that DLC will be more like 30+

    Thats why im buy the next disc version with teh DLC on it!
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    Post by DoughGuy Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:40 am

    The war is how it now so everyone does what they do best. The Knights are co-op focussed, in a pure pvp war we will lose. We have some good fighters, but the other side is entirely pvp geared, we just can't match up.

    Rooster if we had small segments where only foruym member deaths counted would the NK still get points for co-oping? Or would we onl get them for killing the other side. Because if its the second then it becomes more profitable to just host and it becomes a pvp thing which suffers from what I wrote above.

    The condensed times will limit overly massive scores like Amos's, but unless we do it in a low traffic area I don't think we are gonna meet up with other forum members much.
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    Post by Darksomething56 Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:41 am

    I know i will but i know not everyone would probably buy it but i might be wrong tho but who cares CANT WAIT FOR IT TO COME OUT AND THEN COSPLAY AS ARTORIAS AND GOUGH
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    Post by ROOSTER330 Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:49 am

    DoughGuy wrote:The war is how it now so everyone does what they do best. The Knights are co-op focussed, in a pure pvp war we will lose. We have some good fighters, but the other side is entirely pvp geared, we just can't match up.

    Rooster if we had small segments where only foruym member deaths counted would the NK still get points for co-oping? Or would we onl get them for killing the other side. Because if its the second then it becomes more profitable to just host and it becomes a pvp thing which suffers from what I wrote above.

    The condensed times will limit overly massive scores like Amos's, but unless we do it in a low traffic area I don't think we are gonna meet up with other forum members much.

    Can the knights not make pvp builds for the wars? And I know the lore and all (seriously read it all big grin ) but the wars are Pvp related, not pve...

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    Post by DoughGuy Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:54 am

    Oh its not about builds. Its that the knights do co-op. PvP is not something we focus on, it snot part of what we do. Any pvp experience any knights have comes from out of covenant stuff. Whereas the gravesworn and darkstalkers covenant activty revolve around pvp. A lot of our pve builds are pvp too, but its not something we do as a cov.
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    Post by Shkar Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:57 am

    How about this: Instead of having a war for a 48 hour period over one weekend, we instead split it into, say, 4 "segments". Saturday AM, Saturday PM, Sunday AM, and Sunday PM (for example). Each person picks ONE segment, and their points from THAT SEGMENT only influence the result of the war. Now, in order to encourage people to continue playing, they could keep a "secondary" score from the other segments that influences the lore, but not the result.

    So, if one side lost, but had WAY more secondary points, it's a close match that they got outmaneuvered in. If they lost and had much LOWER secondary points, they are absolutely decimated in the battle.
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    Post by cloudyeki Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:00 am

    So it's a principle thing? Alright, in that case the co-op points would be 1 per host safely escorted. It takes time but you can do it more reliably.

    The forum member only thing would be a pain to try though
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    Post by ROOSTER330 Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:05 am

    Our score system now just sucks. Srry it does. I get what the intentions with it is, and its pretty cool, but its not working. I know it makes it difficult for the knights to make pvp builds, but the war is based on pvp, not pve. To accommodate everyone, I just thought the point system would be totally fair if everyone gets points for only forum members deaths. Throwing in points for co-oping puts us back to where we are now, arguing over whats fair and who should get what.

    Problem with co-op points is the opposing side cant do anything about it. If only forum member deaths grant points, to tgose that care about it, the points show an accurate representation of which side won (based on skill and participation).
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    Post by Shkar Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:08 am

    ROOSTER330 wrote:Our score system now just sucks. Srry it does. I get what the intentions with it is, and its pretty cool, but its not working. I know it makes it difficult for the knights to make pvp builds, but the war is based on pvp, not pve. To accommodate everyone, I just thought the point system would be totally fair if everyone gets points for only forum members deaths. Throwing in points for co-oping puts us back to where we are now, arguing over whats fair and who should get what.

    Problem with co-op points is the opposing side cant do anything about it. If only forum member deaths grant points, to tgose that care about it, the points show an accurate representation of which side won (based on skill and participation).

    The problem is that, at least in my experience, the odds of running into another forum-goer is very slight, and it means you have to know the PSN/XBL/GfWL tag for the entire opposite side.
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    Post by White Knight Wulf Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:08 am

    The main problem with that plan is ur thinking from just a ps3 perspective wat about 360 or pc which doesn't have as many members
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    Post by ROOSTER330 Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:08 am

    cloudyeki wrote:So it's a principle thing? Alright, in that case the co-op points would be 1 per host safely escorted. It takes time but you can do it more reliably.

    The forum member only thing would be a pain to try though

    But if we condense the times, 2 hour segments, we should run into more forum members. Righ now, the odds of seeing another forum member over a 24 or 48 hour is super rare.

    Segments can fix that. Also makes each forum fight really mean something.
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    Post by DoughGuy Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:10 am

    ROOSTER330 wrote:Our score system now just sucks. Srry it does. I get what the intentions with it is, and its pretty cool, but its not working. I know it makes it difficult for the knights to make pvp builds, but the war is based on pvp, not pve. To accommodate everyone, I just thought the point system would be totally fair if everyone gets points for only forum members deaths. Throwing in points for co-oping puts us back to where we are now, arguing over whats fair and who should get what.

    Problem with co-op points is the opposing side cant do anything about it. If only forum member deaths grant points, to tgose that care about it, the points show an accurate representation of which side won (based on skill and participation).
    What do you mean by this?
    Rooster it seems like the way you're going is just to turn the wars into a giant tourney, which isnt really the idea behind them. If only forum member deaths count we're gonna start optimising our activity to fight forum members, which leads to hosting and RSS dropping.
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    Post by ROOSTER330 Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:10 am

    Wolfof Phyrexia wrote:The main problem with that plan is ur thinking from just a ps3 perspective wat about 360 or pc which doesn't have as many members

    So look at the # system i suggested. It could work too, it wouldnt be too difficult to run.
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    Post by WyrmHero Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:12 am

    Most of my crappy points are from forum members. I've met Billy, Viral, Glatts, Dough, Reim and some others.
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    Post by ROOSTER330 Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:14 am

    DoughGuy wrote:
    ROOSTER330 wrote:Our score system now just sucks. Srry it does. I get what the intentions with it is, and its pretty cool, but its not working. I know it makes it difficult for the knights to make pvp builds, but the war is based on pvp, not pve. To accommodate everyone, I just thought the point system would be totally fair if everyone gets points for only forum members deaths. Throwing in points for co-oping puts us back to where we are now, arguing over whats fair and who should get what.

    Problem with co-op points is the opposing side cant do anything about it. If only forum member deaths grant points, to tgose that care about it, the points show an accurate representation of which side won (based on skill and participation).
    What do you mean by this?
    Rooster it seems like the way you're going is just to turn the wars into a giant tourney, which isnt really the idea behind them. If only forum member deaths count we're gonna start optimising our activity to fight forum members, which leads to hosting and RSS dropping.

    Then we keep doing what we have been doing, keep having arguments about how its un fair and have bad turn outs. The wars are just events of everyone playing the game as we all already do, restricted to a certain area and keeping points. Thats why no one shows
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    Post by reim0027 Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:16 am

    Yeah, you've got a few points off of me, W.
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    Post by WyrmHero Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:18 am

    DoughGuy wrote:
    ROOSTER330 wrote:Our score system now just sucks. Srry it does. I get what the intentions with it is, and its pretty cool, but its not working. I know it makes it difficult for the knights to make pvp builds, but the war is based on pvp, not pve. To accommodate everyone, I just thought the point system would be totally fair if everyone gets points for only forum members deaths. Throwing in points for co-oping puts us back to where we are now, arguing over whats fair and who should get what.

    Problem with co-op points is the opposing side cant do anything about it. If only forum member deaths grant points, to tgose that care about it, the points show an accurate representation of which side won (based on skill and participation).
    What do you mean by this?
    Rooster it seems like the way you're going is just to turn the wars into a giant tourney, which isnt really the idea behind them. If only forum member deaths count we're gonna start optimising our activity to fight forum members, which leads to hosting and RSS dropping.


    I agree with this. We need a points system that is fair to everyone, balanced and difficult to abuse.
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    Post by ROOSTER330 Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:18 am

    Maybe, with some help, I will start a pvp "battle" thread and have people pick sides. As it seems no one wants to try something different, which is fine, just sucks because this is really cool having wars and all, but its not going to improve the way it is now. Same few people will show, points will be debated and ridiculous.
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    Post by WyrmHero Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:21 am

    The thing about points is how we know someone will abuse it, and keep the easy points low, while the rare/difficult points high.
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    Post by cloudyeki Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:22 am

    Well, he's speaking the truth bout co-op points. What CAN DS, LH, and GS do against a group that gets 4 points be bringing a host to a boss safely? We've little chance of invading you, if we DO the host is most likely to jump in for a tandem takedown, and you receive a point as well as the 4 from getting to Seath and killing him. The only way you lose out on points is if you have a 'special' host, savvy?

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    Post by ViralEnsign_ Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:24 am

    Darksomething56 wrote:I know i will but i know not everyone would probably buy it but i might be wrong tho but who cares CANT WAIT FOR IT TO COME OUT AND THEN COSPLAY AS ARTORIAS AND GOUGH

    Dark join the Successor then. You can stay a Knight as well! All we do it cosplay!
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    Post by Darksomething56 Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:26 am

    O really hmmm sounds fun since i love cosplaying as ornstein and solaire... SO YES
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    Post by DoughGuy Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:26 am

    cloudyeki wrote:Well, he's speaking the truth bout co-op points. What CAN DS, LH, and GS do against a group that gets 4 points be bringing a host to a boss safely? We've little chance of invading you, if we DO the host is most likely to jump in for a tandem takedown, and you receive a point as well as the 4 from getting to Seath and killing him. The only way you lose out on points is if you have a 'special' host, savvy?
    Have you guys tried co-oping? Co-op needs a boost if anything. yesterday thorugh co-op, even with the new system I averaged 12 poinst an hour. Viral was averaging double that with invading.
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    Post by White Knight Wulf Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:29 am

    Not really rooster look how many member play on ps3 compared to xbl/pc its at least a 3:1 ratio. Even with the time frame suggestion we'd rarely c each other and our point count would drop making us more or less useless. While everyone else is hit 40 or so points we'd hit mayb 2 which wnt really make a difference. And so we would just say *** it and not participate in anymore wars
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    Post by cloudyeki Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:29 am

    I was averaging 18 invasions/hosting vaders an hour. Wanna know how many times I got killed? Rather my kill ratio was 1 kill to every 7 deaths.

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