The "Alternative Weapon" Covenant - Proposals

Sparkly - Noted! As for the new Greatswords, I did actually toy with the idea of including the new ones but ultimately decided against it. Once the DLC is out, and we see how the use of Greatswords goes, we could perhaps add some of them back in again though. The moveset of the Abyss Sword certainly is awesome (if not impractical) so it's not without remorse that I omitted it

Dark Bead and Persuers are definent additions to the ban list, everyone and their dog's grandma uses them. Black Flame I'm not sure about, it's just like Great Combustion, so I'll leave that one to you.

Hard to get hit with sorcery you say? I rolled into White Dragon Breath >_>;;. I've never seen anything do that much damage to me..

Personally, I think greatswords should be allowed once the DLC hits, what with the nerf and all. They're unable to stunlock with their 2h r1's. Hallelujah!

P.S: My comment about the Dragon breath was just a funny story, not a "BAN THIS!" statement lol.

ChaosMoogle wrote:Yeah....temporary covenant title I'm going to think of something that fits in with the lore I'm working on (which isn't just limited to the unorthodox idea).

Ah-hah! I am interested in what kind of lore you have in mind for this covenant. I look forward to seeing the products of your speculations.

As for Rapiers, without the use of the Leo Ring I find them to be
generally quite underwhelming in terms of diversity / the damage you can
inflict without critical's. It almost always inevitably comes down to
looking for criticals as your health dwindles and your frustration at
how little damage your are doing rises. Velka's and Ricard's are quite
fun though; the R2's can do monstrous damage when used right.

Rapiers can actually be pretty great in the right hands, even without relying on critical damage or even the R2's you mentioned. Here's a video of someone primarily using speed and precision to put their Velka's Rapier to good use, for instance. [Link]

Anyway, not debating your reasoning for not including them. Just saying that even if it might be tempting to fall back on backstabbing or turtling, that's not all thrusting swords are about.

The spell selection (hopefully) is diverse, but not necessarily
hindering for when it comes to invasions. It just requires a bit more
creativity than WoG spamming, which hopefully is also more fun

It will be interesting to come up with a spellbook based on the restrictions, in any case. In PVE it's always so easy to fall back on the ludicrously overpowered (against the AI) sorcery spells,and in PVP it seems Fireball and Combustion dominate when WoG isn't just constantly spammed.

XachAttack wrote:Dark Bead and Persuers are definent additions to the
ban list, everyone and their dog's grandma uses them. Black Flame I'm
not sure about, it's just like Great Combustion, so I'll leave that one
to you.

Hard to get hit with sorcery you say? I rolled into White
Dragon Breath >_>;;. I've never seen anything do that much damage
to me..

Personally, I think greatswords should be allowed once
the DLC hits, what with the nerf and all. They're unable to stunlock
with their 2h r1's. Hallelujah!

P.S: My comment about the Dragon breath was just a funny story, not a "BAN THIS!" statement lol.

Dragon Breath deals ridiculously high amounts of damage, but man is it hard to aim properly sometimes. I tried using it against the Taurus Demons in the Demon Ruins, and it just went between heir legs without harming them most of the time.

I apologize for double posting, but I have another question: why is Great Soul Arrow on the list but not regular Soul Arrow? Sure, it's useful in early PVE, but it's pretty much just a slow magical Throwing Knife in PVP.

Hi Rarayn - I chose Great Soul Arrow because the covenant is PvP focused and out of all the basic Soul Arrow spells, Great Soul Arrow is the most useful; Heavy and Great Heavy Soul arrow are too slow and the regular Soul Arrow obviously does less damage, so Great Soul Arrow seemed like the obvious choice

Ah, I see. That makes sense!

How's the lore you mentioned earlier coming along, by the way? Still interested in hearing what you have in mind with this covenant.

I've been working on the Covenant stuff today actually. The initial lore is written (to start off the covenant), but it contains DLC spoilers. I've also never done anything like this before, so I'm not sure if it's good I've also finished the rankings and the ranking up procedures/invasion mechanics today as well

Oh, and I've chosen a name

I'm assuming you'll be posting it when it's all done then? I haven't managed to get through the Artorias of the Abyss stuff yet*, but I don't particularly mind spoilers. Does your recent avatar change to Black Dragon Kalameet have anything to do with your plans for the covenant by any chance?



*The Sanctuary Guardian made me sad.

ChaosMoogle wrote:I've been working on the Covenant stuff today actually. The initial lore is written (to start off the covenant), but it contains DLC spoilers. I've also never done anything like this before, so I'm not sure if it's good I've also finished the rankings and the ranking up procedures/invasion mechanics today as well

Oh, and I've chosen a name

:shock:
You must share!

i might be late to the party but i think the GC and LC should definately be banned, everyone that uses them(and theres a lot of them)just fishes for bs also, mail breaker and velkas should be allowed too since theyre so rare. and no greataxe? poo, lately i have been seeign more dga's than ga's.

Mr. Tart wrote:

ChaosMoogle wrote:I've been working on the Covenant stuff today actually. The initial lore is written (to start off the covenant), but it contains DLC spoilers. I've also never done anything like this before, so I'm not sure if it's good I've also finished the rankings and the ranking up procedures/invasion mechanics today as well

Oh, and I've chosen a name

:shock:
You must share!

Yeah, I'm pretty curious too, tell us o_o. Teeeelllll usssssss!

Yeah I can give you the title If you guys really don't like it NOW IS THE TIME TO SAY! Seriously. Before I get my photoshop on

Spoiler:

Rant - not sure what you mean by GC/LC. I thought Great Combustion, but you can;t backstab with that Did you mean Great Scythe/Lifehunter Scythe?

Smexy stoff!
Hah, seriously though, i like it.

Great Club for GC I think

Yes, I like it too. Looking forward to hearing the reasoning behind it, especially since it seems to involve Black Dragon Kalameet in some way.

It's a bit funny that a covenant called the Obsidian Knights uses an image with an obsidian-coloured dragon holding a knight though.

Ahh, Gotcha. Great Club/Large Club!

Cool! Thanks guys All shall be revealed! And yes Rarayn, it does involve Kalameet I'm posting a final poll to clear up the contested weapons. If you want a weapon included, please vote

Explains the reason behind your changing of image.

I've been fooling around with Pyromancy, and I've come to realize that having Firewhip as the only available offensive spell is sort of boring. Combustion, Fireball and Firestorm spells are obviously out of the question, but what about Fire Surge? Seems like a fun spell to play around with, anyway.

Howdy all. Apologies for the Radio Silence, but teh DLC cometh

Update: After having played the DLC now, I'm reworking the lore a little bit to fit in with some new ideas/interpretations that it introduced. I don't suppose it's completely necessary, but it would be nice to have some good lore/back story. Expect the covenant to be starting soon

ChaosMoogle wrote:Howdy all. Apologies for the Radio Silence, but teh DLC cometh

Update: After having played the DLC now, I'm reworking the lore a little bit to fit in with some new ideas/interpretations that it introduced. I don't suppose it's completely necessary, but it would be nice to have some good lore/back story. Expect the covenant to be starting soon

It better be...

Or else...

First thread is up

and the G. Halberd you don't see it often and it really is an awesome weapon

gargoyle hal IS amazing, that thing hits just as hard has the reg hal on a quality build.

ChaosMoogle wrote:Yeah I can give you the title If you guys really don't like it NOW IS THE TIME TO SAY! Seriously. Before I get my photoshop on

Spoiler:

Rant - not sure what you mean by GC/LC. I thought Great Combustion, but you can;t backstab with that Did you mean Great Scythe/Lifehunter Scythe?

great club/large club.