What rece are orns and artorias?

Are they humans or what?

They're demigods. Smough is the same, as well as the Silver/Black Knights. This is all speculation of course, but it makes sense. I'm still figuring out what race is Ciaran.

They could be giants, no?

Hawkeye Gough and the giants of Sen's are what we could consider as the giant race of DkS.

ENB considers them gods.

Isn't Ciaran a "Lord's Blade?"

The lore points to an all-female group of people who are known as "Lord's Blades."

Etymologically, Ciaran means "small dark one" so I assume she is also one of the demigod, larger race, herself a "runt" of sorts. Her reliance on shadowy, sneaky equipment implies a need for deceit to survive in a world of the much larger.

More than likely the same race as the Black and Silver Knights. Especially considering that Ornstein is seemingly leading the Silver at the moment, and Art possibly led the Black at some point or was at least a part of them.

Emergence wrote:Etymologically, Ciaran means "small dark one" so I assume she is also one of the demigod, larger race, herself a "runt" of sorts. Her reliance on shadowy, sneaky equipment implies a need for deceit to survive in a world of the much larger.

Small dark one? Like a small guy with a dark soul? Sooooo... she's the pygmy?

Nah but really she could be a cyclops?

All I know is they ain't munchkins

Kiva the wanderer wrote:Are they humans or what?

The beings we see from the intro were born from the "Dark" (including
Gywn). To me meaning they were born from the shadow of the First Flame
aka the Dark Soul. You can even call the Dark Soul a piece of "the First
Shadow" if that helps put it in perspective. Hence, why Kaathe tries to
lead you to believe that the Pygmy created all human life, when we know
that they came from the "Dark". In a recent article Miyazaki gives us a little hint of this in what he says about Dark sorceries he says:
“Oolacile is a kingdom of sorcery that had been ruined when the
original story unfolded,” explains Miyazaki. “The additional content is
set about a hundred years before Oolacile was ruined. In this kingdom,
the sorceries are peculiar light spells that are different from the
common ones in the original story.” Oolacile spells from the original
game tended to be non-offensive and even charming magic – producing
light, hiding things, disguising yourself. Tricks.

But in this Oolacile you find ridiculously strong dark magic and
pyromancies. Sorceries designed to kill in direct, high-damage ways. “As
one of the main themes of Dark Souls is 'fire and dark', these light
spells also include darkness that occurred from the gap between them,”
says Miyazaki. “The darkness leads to the Abyss, which is a keyword this
time.”
Link to the article here http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/11/02/dark-souls-miyazaki-talks-artorias-of-the-abyss

I go so far so to say that Artorias is originally from Astora in one of my speculation posts. My reasoning is his shield having similar properties to the crest shield, his great sword being similar to Astora's Straight Sword and the color of his cape being blue which is a recurring theme for Astora gear. Everyone wonders why the hell Artorias would make a covenant with the creatures of the abyss, I believe this is because he's faced one of these creatures before (reference Ring of the Evil Eye) and knows what they are capable of. https://soulswiki.forumotion.com/t13089-analysis-series-astora

When you kill Ciaran she mumbles something about humans. I would like to bet that she's some soet of demigod or alike.

hageshisa wrote:When you kill Ciaran she mumbles something about humans. I would like to bet that she's some soet of demigod or alike.

I'll say in here what I''ve said in almost every other thread this has come up in. Just because they were gifted some power wouldn't mean they are not
human... Yes Gough is a Giant. But think about the others this way.... just like
Micheal Jordon. If I were to play against him in basketball I'd be so
bad against him, I would be inclined to call him a "god" on the court.
He may even see himself as a "god" on the court and have better
abilities than everyone else. However, the fact remains though he is
still a human. The "gods" of Anor Londo and their Knights would see
themselves as "higher beings". Just like the emperor of Japan was seen
as a "god" to the people. Also,when you attack Ciarian he says, "Humans, always taking what they please" to me she sounds like someone who believes herself trancended, like nobility from the olden days held themselves above the peasants.

Well if you think about it;
Orenstein = demigod
Artorias = Some animalistic race
Gough = Giant
Ciaran = Human

The fact that each night comes from a different race makes sense. They excelled in their fields above their races.

Ciaran isn't human, when you kill her she says: "You humans...will all...". I would place Gough as a giant, but I think Ornstein, Smough, Ciaran and Artorias are of the same race, which would be one identical to humans except increased size.

Seignar wrote:Ciaran isn't human, when you kill her she says: "You humans...will all...". I would place Gough as a giant, but I think Ornstein, Smough, Ciaran and Artorias are of the same race, which would be one identical to humans except increased size.

At what point does it state that Ciaran, Orenstein, Smough and Artorias are the same race? If ciaran isn't human i think that she most be of a humanoid race, but not necessarily the same race as Orenstein, Artorias and Smough. I think the races are alot more diverse except we simply don't have to information to discern them. All of the god like beings we know of have been human looking in shape and yet Artorias doesn't look like a human from the way he walks to the structure of his armour.

Deathsitexxi wrote:I'll say in here what I''ve said in almost every other thread this has come up in. Just because they were gifted some power wouldn't mean they are not
human... Yes Gough is a Giant. But think about the others this way.... just like
Micheal Jordon. If I were to play against him in basketball I'd be so
bad against him, I would be inclined to call him a "god" on the court.
He may even see himself as a "god" on the court and have better
abilities than everyone else. However, the fact remains though he is
still a human. The "gods" of Anor Londo and their Knights would see
themselves as "higher beings". Just like the emperor of Japan was seen
as a "god" to the people. Also,when you attack Ciarian he says, "Humans, always taking what they please" to me she sounds like someone who believes herself trancended, like nobility from the olden days held themselves above the peasants.

I'm going ot point out again your example is flawed because Gough is not better thanb a human the same way Michael Jordan is better than someone at basketball. His size is too great for him to be a human. He's obviously a giant of the same race as the giant blacksmith, the flame thrower and gate guardian.
Orn is almost certainly a silver knight, while arty seems a little tall to be a black kngith however this could be a valid case of your Michael Jordan example. Smough is odd because while his height seems greater, the eye holes in his neck imply he;s not as tall as he makes out,

Also final nail in the coffin the pharis hat says
"Broad-brimmed hat favored by the archer hero Pharis.
Pharis was an accomplished archer, and though he was human, he ranked
alongside Hawkeye Gough, one of the Four Knights of Lord Gwyn. His hat
is universally popular among children."

SO final verdict is the 4 knights arent human.
Also I would venture to say Ciaran could be related to the witches race in a way although thats pure speculation.

DoughGuy wrote:

Deathsitexxi wrote:I'll say in here what I''ve said in almost every other thread this has come up in. Just because they were gifted some power wouldn't mean they are not
human... Yes Gough is a Giant. But think about the others this way.... just like
Micheal Jordon. If I were to play against him in basketball I'd be so
bad against him, I would be inclined to call him a "god" on the court.
He may even see himself as a "god" on the court and have better
abilities than everyone else. However, the fact remains though he is
still a human. The "gods" of Anor Londo and their Knights would see
themselves as "higher beings". Just like the emperor of Japan was seen
as a "god" to the people. Also,when you attack Ciarian he says, "Humans, always taking what they please" to me she sounds like someone who believes herself trancended, like nobility from the olden days held themselves above the peasants.

I'm going ot point out again your example is flawed because Gough is not better thanb a human the same way Michael Jordan is better than someone at basketball. His size is too great for him to be a human. He's obviously a giant of the same race as the giant blacksmith, the flame thrower and gate guardian.
Orn is almost certainly a silver knight, while arty seems a little tall to be a black kngith however this could be a valid case of your Michael Jordan example. Smough is odd because while his height seems greater, the eye holes in his neck imply he;s not as tall as he makes out,

Also final nail in the coffin the pharis hat says
"Broad-brimmed hat favored by the archer hero Pharis.
Pharis was an accomplished archer, and though he was human, he ranked
alongside Hawkeye Gough, one of the Four Knights of Lord Gwyn. His hat
is universally popular among children."

SO final verdict is the 4 knights arent human.
Also I would venture to say Ciaran could be related to the witches race in a way although thats pure speculation.

I personally agree that they are not human, its always been hinted that they were different beings but i don't think they are of the same race as the supposed god or the knights. They might be other races or a race we fail to identify. As i've already said most of these god like creatures maintain a human form, Artorias doesn't, in both body shape and the form of his armour.