Glyphblade's All Secret's Revealed (Major Spoilers)

Monopolus Dec 3, 2011 11:57 pm
500 posts in this thread! Keep up the hunt guys, I'm sure you'll find something really awesome in the end. ^.^
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Noctes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Noctes Dec 3, 2011 11:59 pm
I know man, feels good to have it still going strong!

I remember when glyph first made this thread.. :}
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 4, 2011 12:11 am
The way I see it is that this pendant gets extra dialogue or is given to comfort someone (NPC) just before they die. It would make sense to be able to give it to Oscar, Solaire, Shiva (He is a great traveler but doesn't die), or Seigmeyer seeing as his own daughter can kill him in one of the endings.
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Monopolus re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Monopolus Dec 4, 2011 12:12 am
^ Speaking of the Pendant, has anyone tried to give it to Sieglinde at the end of their path in Ash Lake? She's very troubled at that point, maybe it could be of use...
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 4, 2011 12:17 am
o_o
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Monopolus re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Monopolus Dec 4, 2011 12:21 am
^ Sieglinde's also a traveler I believe...after all the two came from Catarina....

If I struck gold on this, holy ****.
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DeCeleRator93 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
DeCeleRator93 Dec 4, 2011 12:32 am
So I was in the lord vessel room and I look over by the 9 little basin things and I look up and see one orange soapstone sign above them and then soon after another one shows up right after!!!!. http://touch.lockerz.com/gallery/12766550 sorry bout the quality of the pictures it's coming from my phone
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 4, 2011 12:34 am
What the fuuuuu?
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Razor2202 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Razor2202 Dec 4, 2011 12:36 am
I have spoken to schlindia with the pendant in my inventory at the scene in ash lake where she has been forced to kill her father. Nothing out of the ordinary to my knowledge. She gave me the slab and thanked me.

However I did not try dropping it or seeing if it can be used in her presence.

I can try this tomorrow if I get a chance to hop on...
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Noctes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Noctes Dec 4, 2011 12:40 am
@DeCeleRator93: Woah.. o__O That's odd, haha. Are they just floating up there??
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Scudman_Slayer re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Scudman_Slayer Dec 4, 2011 12:43 am
@decelerator93
how the hell?!
i've never seen that
thats...weird
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DeCeleRator93 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
DeCeleRator93 Dec 4, 2011 12:46 am
@ Noctes ya I was just looking around and saw the first one and I was admittedly freaked out a little bit then the second one popped up so I don't think it's a glitch but I'm not sure
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Monopolus re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Monopolus Dec 4, 2011 12:52 am
Maybe someone glitched and put down multiple signs -shrug-
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Noctes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Noctes Dec 4, 2011 12:56 am
You cant put multiple signs down. You can move it, but it makes the first one disappear.

There's multiple signs. So, that means there's multiple people up there, waiting to be summoned.. apparently..
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balmungmp5 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
balmungmp5 Dec 4, 2011 12:59 am
haha the point I was making with the mew thing was that it was said the truck had significance when it didn't. not specifically mew

i was comparing it to how I feel about the pendant.
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Monopolus re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Monopolus Dec 4, 2011 1:02 am
It'd be funny if the Pendant acted like what you had to do to summon Mew. Like there had to be a SPECIFIC way to act and then the Pendant would light up, and something wild would happen; a cutscene into the mind of an important NPC? :o
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Noctes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Noctes Dec 4, 2011 1:03 am
Then...MAYBE...we're doing this all wrong!

AND THE ONLY WAY TO FIND OUT THE USE OF THE PENDANT....

IS TO DO SOMETHING INCREDIBLY OUT OF THE WAY....
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Monopolus re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Monopolus Dec 4, 2011 1:04 am
Maybe it has to do with a vehicle of sorts?

QUICK, LOWER UNDEAD BURG, USE IT IN FRONT OF THE WHEELED CART!
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Noctes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Noctes Dec 4, 2011 1:08 am
DOES ANYBODY HAVE AN ABRA?!
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DeCeleRator93 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
DeCeleRator93 Dec 4, 2011 1:11 am
Do y'all think the soapstones could be a glitch? Or ,hopefully, secret area?

Monopolus Dec 4, 2011 1:11 am
WOULD HOMEWARD BONES WORK?
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balmungmp5 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
balmungmp5 Dec 4, 2011 1:19 am
it needs to be a vehicle near a large boat
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 4, 2011 1:20 am
God, I love this community XD
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Noctes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Noctes Dec 4, 2011 1:28 am
GOOD ENOUGH.

QUICK, TOO CERULEAN- I MEAN UNDEAD BURG.
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glyphblade re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
glyphblade Dec 4, 2011 1:46 am
The soapstones and the orange messages above as in the ceiling of the lordvessel chamber is likely around frampts or in the ara of firelink shrine..

I have noticed in different area's signs that you can see through the ceilings.. or look like they are on the ceiling , when in fact they are on the floor of the level above you...

A lot of comments to waiver the faith.. don't be fooled, they just wish to jump our claim hopeing we give up this never ending search..

How ever an Idea did occur to me.. given that solaire was bugged up until just recently.. and if the director was saying that we might not find a use for the pendant after a few playthroughs...

it is entirely possible that solaires story will change if you save him in one playthrough and it carries over to the next...

with all the various npc's and covenants it would also seem likely that a strict series of events would have to transpire.

A different idea I have is to get all the npc's in firelink right up to the lordvessel opening the kiln..

heres the thought process

Kill 4 kings, Ingrid the seal keeper will move to fire link

Kill Nito and Patches will move to firelink

Now heres the guess work..

Kill the bed of chaos and by logic either the pyro trainer Quelaana will move to firelink, Shiva and guard if still alive

The only one that doesn't seem to follow is Kill Seath and big hat will move back to firelink..

Has anyone tried leaving big hat in the cage in Seaths.. then kill Seath.. any change in character story..

At 2 points Onion Knight Sr. is in firelink

at one point Onion Knight Jr is in firelink..

lastly in a way.. with so many npc's and alternate story lines.. like leave Lautrec locked up in jail.. or free him

Leave the npc merchants trapped instead of rescueing them...

what if you ignore reah in the catacombs.. the whole part is entirely optional..

The way to discover the secret is to throw out the guide, throw out the steps we are being somewhat directed to.. and turn the game on it's face and do everything different .. every playthrough switch it up to see if anything is different..
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 4, 2011 2:12 am
Lautrec will eventually get out of his cell I think. I can try Big Hat now because I forgot about him and I'm all the way at the Kiln XD
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Noctes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Noctes Dec 4, 2011 2:47 am
...What if you never talk to Oscar and receive the Estus Flask? And just go, kill the Asylum Demon, then leave?
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JohnnyHarpoon re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
JohnnyHarpoon Dec 4, 2011 3:09 am
I like these ideas with Oscar.
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 4, 2011 3:52 am
I haven't been able to not talk to Oscar, because I didn't get the keys from killing the Asylum Demon. This didn't happen on NG+, I'm on NG+++ now. And he will pretty much kills himself as soon as you leave him after getting the keys. (That might have to do with me killing the Asylum Demon first, dunno).

I tried a few fatal drop spots in Sen's Fortress with the Covenant of Artorias Ring, to no avail.

On the way to Gwynn, though, I noticed those nine vessel thing opposite the entrance to the Kiln. There are nine usable souls in the game. Has anyone ever got to that point with all of them in their inventory? I don't see this happening in early playthroughs, since people will use souls for weapons and Orstein and Smough will require two playthroughs to get.
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glyphblade re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
glyphblade Dec 4, 2011 4:38 am
opposite the lord vessel on the unreachable area there are 9 or 11 pots..

if you look at the top of the pillars near kaathe / frampt you'll see that they are the same pots.. which are unlit urns, or lamps, or light posts..

There is however another lordevssel above all the pots.. only 1.. you can see the difference in the markings on the base...

Leaving oswald alone will result in the slicing sound and him dying.. I believe..
at which point you will see a loot crystal with the keys..

I know saying no to him gives this result as well..

I am making a post or will update with all the alternate conversation and options for the npc's as well as the flow of npc arrival, disappearance, and when they go hollow...
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 4, 2011 4:43 am
I noticed the other Lordvessel.

There are nine pots and nine usable boss souls. There might be a connection there.

I'll do some experimenting next playthrough, because I'll have to get Smough's soul then.
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HulleGranx re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
HulleGranx Dec 4, 2011 4:44 am
noticed em on my firs run but didnt think much of them. now that ive gone back they are waayyy to noticable to not have a use. will do some studying on em as well when i get some time.
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HulleGranx re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
HulleGranx Dec 4, 2011 4:51 am
also im sure this is a common question but does anyone have a clue what the place is off the side of the graveyard in firelink?

it seems to be new londo at first but looking closer it looks much larger and im pretty sure new londo is in a cave.

to anyone with no idea what im talking about you can see a what looks like a town at the bottom of the cliff where the graveyard in firelink is (funny enough the binoculars are on a cliff overlooking it).
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Solrak_Selarom re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Solrak_Selarom Dec 4, 2011 8:52 am
My research... Got to Ng++ as darkwaith +3 ( before i left i killed every npc and got the dark lord ending.... At This point Nothing diferent happened), then went to ingward as soon as i got out of asylum in full darkwaith armor and got Nothing.

I killed him so i get the key... Now ill go trough valley of drakes and darkroot basin, kill the hydra and go straigh to sif ( in taking this way to see if we get something for not using the crest), ill get covenant of Artorias and the straigh to 4 Kings.... Lets see what kaathe says.... Ill finísima my research by night... Wish me luck
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 4, 2011 9:12 am
Ehm, I'm down at the lordvessel hot spot at level 206 on NG+++(+) and there is that message in mid-air down here.
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 4, 2011 9:14 am
Oh and the floor there is completely SOLID. Why make something out of reach solid?
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 4, 2011 1:19 pm
So, I got Logan at Fiirelink and Seath is beaten already. Now what?
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Solrak_Selarom re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Solrak_Selarom Dec 4, 2011 1:25 pm
Ok, got Nothing.... Killed 4 Kings before ringing any bell as darkwaith +3... And kaathe Tells me that i need the lordvessell.... Hmmmm... Nothing more... Anyway guys, just to let you know, i got pissed and start soul spearing kaathe and he left telling me that im no the choosen one but im still darkwaith so that doesnt count as a betrayal...

Now im going to try ringing the blighttown bell first... Wana see if going backwards happens something... Will let you know soon.

Btw... After i killed the 4 Kings, i went to the undead burg and as soon i got to the passage heading to the first bonfire, the dragon drop down in there, stay for 3 secs and fligth towards the sunlight altar.... Dont remember that happening in the other 2 playtroughs...
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 4, 2011 1:25 pm
The other sorcerer teacher says something about Reah and how terrible it is that she has to go on this quest to the catacombs.

I didn't fully read it because I wanted to buy sorceries so I kept mashing A.

Oh and the next thing for you to do is to try and get... someone to stay in Firelink shrine. Or attempting to get Quelana to firelink.
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 4, 2011 1:27 pm
The dragon thing always happens unless you ring the second bell first. I've rang the second then first before and nothing has happened

Solrak_Selarom Dec 4, 2011 1:30 pm
For real? Hmmmm... That sucks
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 4, 2011 1:34 pm
Well, I got Patches, Logan, Laurentius, The Apprentice, Petrus, and I'm about to go get Ingward. I cannot get Onion head nor Daughter Onion in Firelink for I tested to see if you can have a good ending with them. Maybe the good ending happens if both are in Firelink at the same time. Quelana is gone already and I had to let Reah die in order to get a Pendant. So, I got a vast majority at Firelink but at the moment it is impossible until NG++++. Oh yeah, i also get what's his name. Domnall? Dohnam? The guy from the Depths.

I wonder, what about the guy at Sen's Fortress? Crestfallen Merchant. Anyone talk to him after filling the Lordvessel and see if he moves to Firelink? I know Anastacia has some things to say after filling it so he might to. Or has anyone talked to him after obtaining the Lordvessel?
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grizzli re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
grizzli Dec 4, 2011 2:16 pm
I'm not sure, but rest at the hidden Bonfire (before giant with firebombs) and look down. You will see a fog gate. I think.
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 4, 2011 2:37 pm
@Dust: Where was the message exactly (at Firelink Altar)?

I'm currently fighting Ornstein and Smough. I'll get Orstein's soul this playthrough and Smough the next.
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 4, 2011 2:47 pm
Oh there are also (is it japanese?) symbols on some rocks on the way to the catacombs in the Graveyard. There are right beside the stairs that lead into the Catacombs.

Unfair advantage for the Japanese?
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 4, 2011 2:48 pm
The message is up in the air. Page 26 posted by DeCeleRator93

He has a link showing where they are.
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 4, 2011 3:01 pm
Someone said they were signs placed in Firelink Shrine and glitching.

I'm not sure if Firelink Altar is exactly connected to Firelink Shrine though. It's like a separate area.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 4, 2011 3:07 pm
I don't think you can place Summon Signs at Firelink.
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 4, 2011 3:10 pm
I've never tried placing summon signs there, but I know PVP related objects don't work there.

So either his game was glitching (or someone else glitched it to put a sign there), or there's something we missed.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 4, 2011 3:16 pm
I bet someone managed to get up there and placed a summon sign to troll people. I'd like to know how they did it though.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 4, 2011 3:28 pm
There's nothing at the Bonfire in Sen's.
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Siahailatua re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Siahailatua Dec 4, 2011 3:53 pm
I'm giving up on the Seek Guidance run. Just covered Lost Izalith and Demon Ruins and nothing special turned up...to bad
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grizzli re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
grizzli Dec 4, 2011 3:56 pm
There are my ideas:
1) It's already clear (for around 80%), that covenants don't affect the story. But what happens, if you end the game without beeing in any covenant at all?
2) Perhaps something will happen when you kill EVERY NPC in this game, that can be killed.
3) But perhaps it will also do something, when you kill every UNhollow NPC or every Firekeeper.
4) Anastacia's can ressurect her. We find around 3 Firekeepers Souls. Perhaps they can ressurect someone too?
5) Like I already said, you can see the fog gate from second bonfire in Sen's Fortress.
6) In Anor Londo, when you first meet this nasty white demons, before them, you can see a small chapel , that is closed. For me, the door always looks some kind of strange...
7) When I started the game, I saw an ''Hidden Wall Message'' in Asylum. The strangiest thing was, that when I attacked the wall, it had the sound of breakable wall...
8) I heard Lizzard's Noise in Painte World. I also saw some messages in the space (like invisible bridge).
9) I also know, that Valley of Drakes has invisible bridge. I saw message and shot in the space, this was a bridge.

And now the craziest idea...
I think, someone here lives in Japan. You can call FS and ask them about Pendant. I know, it's stupid, but who knows...

And now my question. In the article about S&O stands, that ''you can see Smough in the intro''. I already watched intro for around three times, but I did'n see him...
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 4, 2011 4:09 pm
I was also checking up on the NPCs in Firelink Shrine after each boss fight as soon as the game began.

I went in this order:
Taurus Demon
Bell-Tower Gargoyles
Capra Demon
Moonlight Butterfly
Stray Demon
Gaping Dragon
Quelag

I freed Lautrec and talked to him after each boss fight as soon as I freed him. After one of those bosses (forget which), he disappeared. Then, I killed the next one and he was back.

Where did he go?
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 4, 2011 4:15 pm
Seriously? Guys they are messages. NOT summon signs that are popping up in mid-air in firelink Altar.
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grizzli re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
grizzli Dec 4, 2011 4:44 pm
And don't forget, that there should be an area, that connects Ashlake and Izalith. It's the only explonation of strange route of Onionbro. And you can see both Ash Lake and Izalith from Ginat's Grave.
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 4, 2011 4:53 pm
Wait you can see Lost Izalith from Tomb of the Giants?

Man I don't see much :/
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 4, 2011 4:54 pm
Isn't Izalith be deeper than Ash Lake? It's full of tree roots, and Ash Lake is the ground level for the trees.

I've been through Ash Lake and found nothing.
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 4, 2011 4:55 pm
@Dust: I think it's the Demon Ruins, not Izalith. Not entirely sure, but it is at the spot where Patches acts like Patches. After you fall, look to the left.
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freakgib re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
freakgib Dec 4, 2011 5:12 pm
just now i got the Pendant while in the Forest hunters Covernant
the text says this
Pendant
this faintly warm medal, engraved with the symbol of the Sun, is the ultimate honor, awarded to shoe who summon the Warrior of the Sunlight and complete a goal.

The Symbol represents Lord Gwyn's firstborn, who lost his deity status and was expunged
from the annals. But the old God of War still watches closely over his warrios.

does everyone have the same text?
cos i dont read anything about lost memory

Dustofsaturn Dec 4, 2011 5:25 pm
The description of the pendant is bugged in game to be the same as the Sunlight Medal's. The only way to get its true description is through choosing the pendant as a gift in the character creation screen.
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anson1986 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
anson1986 Dec 4, 2011 7:51 pm
Someone mention the 9 pots and the 9 useable souls...I like the idea but in order to get both Ornstein and Smough's soul you would have to play twice and the creator said MOST players would not encounter it on their first play through but he did not say that it was impossible. I don't think that the secret REQUIRES multiple playthroughs I think it is just something that is not LIKELY to be experience from the first play through.
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Solrak_Selarom re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Solrak_Selarom Dec 4, 2011 8:26 pm
Hmmmmm... Someone in the wiki said that the character in the game cover is Artorias because he is wielding his sword and shield...


Hmmmmm.... Did someone noticed that he is LEFT HANDEND? I dont know... Im crazy now about This pendant thing but anyone have tried wielding like that and get to sif or abyss?

In my more than "lost count" PVPs have never crossed with a LEFT one... Just an interesting tough... Maybe the secret was one the cover and is a way from FROM TO SLAP US ON THE FACE hahaha
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 4, 2011 8:35 pm
It's actually rumoured to be Artorias.
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Noctes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Noctes Dec 4, 2011 10:52 pm
...Left-handed...

Why didnt we think of that.. @_@ Seems kinda crazy, but hell we'll try anything at this point.
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 4, 2011 11:04 pm
Why must everything be so crazy. Kill Sif with the shield and block his attacks with the sword. LIKE A BAWS.
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DeCeleRator93 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
DeCeleRator93 Dec 4, 2011 11:42 pm
I like the idea of the 9 urns going along with the 9 boss souls is anyone close to testing this theory out I'm gonna have to wait till my next play through.
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 5, 2011 12:46 am
You can't even reach the urns though. I was throwing prism stones all the way around the lord vessel fairly long walkway and no invisible paths
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DeCeleRator93 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
DeCeleRator93 Dec 5, 2011 1:19 am
Maybe if you take all 9 souls down there a cutscenes or something triggers lol idk wishful thinking on my part
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freakgib re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
freakgib Dec 5, 2011 2:22 am
did anyone try to feed the pendant to frampt?
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Noctes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Noctes Dec 5, 2011 2:28 am
Maybe it'll remind him about a dentist's appointment he missed while he was sleeping.
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freakgib re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
freakgib Dec 5, 2011 2:59 am
maybe i try it tonight yesterday i got 2 pendants while hunting in the woods as forest hunter
and i got them from the same guy 1 at a time.
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JohnnyHarpoon re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
JohnnyHarpoon Dec 5, 2011 3:15 am
Couldn't Artorias be facing either way, and this be either left or right handed?
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JohnnyHarpoon re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
JohnnyHarpoon Dec 5, 2011 3:15 am
*thus
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Noctes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Noctes Dec 5, 2011 3:20 am
Based on the perspective and position of his lifted foot, he's most likely walking away from the viewer, with his back towards us.

http://game-flush.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Dark-Souls-Cover-Art1.jpg

Here. In the picture, you can see the bottom of his right foot is showing to us, and it's overlapping (from a 2D perspective) the left leg, which means from a 3D perspective, his right foot is closer to us than his left leg.
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Bighatlogan999 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Bighatlogan999 Dec 5, 2011 4:24 am
Hi guys, i came here from gamefaqs board (same name) where i had a few pendant and secret related discussion going, but people just troll the s... out of such threads there.
Anyway, i am surprised noone was as surprised as i am by 2 things in the dump i mentioned over there:
There is a "Way of White +3" in those files next to other covenants
And there is an action : "extinguish fire" !!!

And that wall in the painted world, i swear i saw it, maybe just a bug but this is the only place in the game i saw it.
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 5, 2011 4:26 am
I tried reaching those 9 pots. Tried jumping and on those giant three roots. Shot arrows everywhere to see what's solid and used a ton of prism stones. I even tried the jumping down with Covenant Ring of Artorias, but that didn't work.

I don't have all the souls yet but I'm pretty close to starting NG++++ or whatever playthrough I am, so I can just get to Anor Londo quickly and get Smough's.

I also tried using a boss souls down at Firelink Altar (the Moonlight Buttefly), but nothing happened xD But I don't have all the souls, once again.
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man_basic re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
man_basic Dec 5, 2011 9:42 am
I´m not sure if it has been allready mentionet but has anyone else noticed the door in the sky in Duke´s Archives? You can see it right after you get out area were you end up after the first encounter with Seath. You open the big door where the manserpents flee and walk outside.

Pictures:
https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img97/5753/20111205111947.jpg
https://2img.net/r/ihimizer/img337/9780/20111205111956.jpg


I guess it´s pretty safe to say that it´s only a graphics clitch but still, door in the sky!
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Solrak_Selarom re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Solrak_Selarom Dec 5, 2011 9:44 am
I dont know... maybe you dont have to actually KILL SIF... maybe you just have to wear the sword and shield like that and the elite knight armor (its that right?) for something to happen... ****... already kill SIF in NG++

BTW... In my actual research i got REAH to firelink an as soon as i saw her there i run to tomb of giants to see if we can prevent patches from dropping em down... but she was there too

Now I already rescued her, and ill see if something different happens from having here in dukes archives before killing seath...

Hmmm...
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thecandyman328 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
thecandyman328 Dec 5, 2011 11:14 am
BTW guys has anyone ever tried killing all of the butterflies in the crystal caves? I think I remember killing ONE but there were just too many and i was low on casts and flasks...

Solrak_Selarom Dec 5, 2011 8:24 pm
Guys.... I thing i found something....

As already told i went to catacombs before getting the lordvessell to see if i could get patches not killing the reahs bodyguards, but she was already there.

I returned and reah was at the church... Then i went to speak to lautrect and he offered me a "tip" for 20k souls and i accepted... ( anyone else got This?)

He started telling me a history about reah and how she is full if humanity... And Then i spoke to him again and he saids something like. That tip? Oh, that tip was gave to me by an old man that isnt going to need all his trinkets now!!! Muahahahahha...

So i ran to reah and tried to steal all her humanity.... I was lvl 3 darkwaith but now i changed to way of white... For my surprise dark hand still works andi took 12 humanity from her!!!!!!

All This let me thinking... Did Someone already try to get her to dukes and 1. Steal humanity when she is hollowed or 2. confront her with a high humanity lvl?? Maybe thats the way to activate This.
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Solrak_Selarom re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Solrak_Selarom Dec 5, 2011 8:25 pm
Sorry for the double post.... I think we are close to something
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Noctes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Noctes Dec 5, 2011 8:37 pm
Wow.. so the Dark Hand actually reads and takes into account how much Humanity an NPC has!

That's quite the find in my opinion. I dont know if it gets us any closer to finding the use for the Pendant, but still, that's worth something.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 5, 2011 8:52 pm
So, I found out what the "super secret boss" of the Dukes Archives is and it's a disappointment. It was Seath the Scaless.
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Noctes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Noctes Dec 5, 2011 8:54 pm
...But he's not a secret...

Maybe he was a "secret" at the time, because Seath was in King's Field, and longtime From Software fans would remember that?
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 5, 2011 8:55 pm
No, no i talked to the guy who made the article. It was a misunderstanding because Seath really is an out of the way boss and at the time they weren't allowed to talk about it.
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inksoldier re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
inksoldier Dec 5, 2011 9:01 pm
@Solrak_Selarom

I did the same to Reah, before I finished NG, I stole all humanity from her, all 12 of them!!

But darn, I feared that Seath the Scaleless would be secret boss :|

Has anyone ever noticed the illustrations at Undead Chapel, by the firekeeper's soul? It looks like the person is holding up something, something circular, not sure what.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 5, 2011 9:05 pm
Yeah, sorry to bursts everyone's bubbles. At least that's one down, though. I'm going to try and feed the pendant to frampt and see if anything happens.
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 5, 2011 9:08 pm
Seath is super secret. How does everyone know about him?!
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Mereo re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Mereo Dec 5, 2011 9:10 pm
It should be noted that there are a couple of things ive noticed in the game that have come to my attention:

#1: The temples within Lost Izalith have the Cloranthy ring flower inscribed on the floor. One of the temples (the one straight after the first Chaos Eater) very likely seems to have a path towards the left and swinging a sword/any long weapon kind of gets "swallowed" by the wall (which usually indicates a passage).

#2: A rooted passage in Lost Izalith really close to the entrance, you can clearly even see a passageway dropping down there, but the roots block the way. Killing Bed Of Chaos didnt affect this, anyone in more consecutive rounds can confirm this passage doesnt open?

#3: The "planked" passage in Lower Undead Burg, next to the burning corpse pile.

The first thing that springs into mind about the game is that the CE and "Limited Edition" artbooks show three enemy types that dont even show up in the game. A manticore, a boar riding minister and a suave looking crossbow user.

Its pretty obvious that the Manticore goes with the demon theme (Lost Izalith?) and the two others could very well be related with Anor Londo.
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Noctes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Noctes Dec 5, 2011 9:15 pm
With point number 2, are you talking about where the shortcut opens between Lost Izalith and the Demon Ruins? On the Lost Izalith side, are there Sunlight Maggots?
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Mereo re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Mereo Dec 5, 2011 9:28 pm
No, right after you come into Lost Izalith via the small root that descends into the area with the statues, just to your right is a Dark, open passage with roots blocking it partially. If you use the skull/maggot/cast light you can see a passageway in there.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 5, 2011 9:45 pm
Okay, here's my theory on the nine cups,nine souls deal. Get the nine souls, place the lordvessel (doesn't matter who it is frampt or kaathe), get the lord's souls, do NOT place them in the Lordvessel. Instead go to the giant door in the centipede boss room and see if it opens up.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 5, 2011 9:46 pm
Also, Gwyn's soul wouldn't hurt either.
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 5, 2011 9:51 pm
So this can only be achieved on NG+

Would make sense with what that one person said. "You probably won't find it until your second or third play through."

Where has Glyph been these last few days?
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 5, 2011 9:53 pm
It would make sense seeing as you can't get both ornstein and smough's souls at the same time.

I think he has exams.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 5, 2011 10:12 pm
It's almost unfair how close you are to making that jump in the firelink altar
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Unforseen re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Unforseen Dec 5, 2011 10:15 pm
you get so close and just fall to your death, maybe there is one spot on one the ledges that allows you 2 make it, but prob not.
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nosmokingbandit re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
nosmokingbandit Dec 5, 2011 10:23 pm
"You probably won't find it until your second or third play through."

Doesnt mean we *cant* get it in the first time through, so it can't be boss soul related.

Perhaps it has something to do with killing a certain enemy much earlier than intended (would be easier in NG+ with good equipment). Or maybe having a certain upgraded weapon using a slab that is hard to get.

I haven't a friggin clue.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 5, 2011 10:42 pm
I'm doing the nine cup/nine soul thing. I'll need help tonight to beat Gwyn though.

DeCeleRator93 Dec 6, 2011 12:00 am
Digital Ashes what system are you on?
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 6, 2011 12:10 am
All slabs are fairly easy to get, I've killed the four kings before ringing any bells AND have rung the bells backwards
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 6, 2011 2:23 am
Xbox. By the way started playing Demon's Souls. I'm loving it. Maiden in Black is awesome

I'm still playing Dark Souls, though on account that I can only play Demon's Souls at my friends.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 6, 2011 2:29 am
By the way, I might do the Souls deal on my second character. I can get them easier that way. I'm already at Ornstein and Smough.

Souls I have:
Moonlight Butterfly
Quelaag
Priscilla

I used Iron Golem already before I heard of the nine cups deal but no problem. I have to do a the second run anyway for Ornstein and Smough. Unless someone can drop me one. Is that possible?
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 6, 2011 3:24 am
Something interesting I found:

"You need to be sunbro rank 3 and then you need to save the sunbro, after that talk to the cleric in firelink, he asks you to kill patches who can be foud in sen´s where the 4 titanite demons are. After killing patches talk to cleric and he will reveal the secrets of the pendant. I´m not gonna spoil but you´ll be surprised..."

Don't know how much of that is true but I do know Patches hates Clerics. Worth a shot. Also, I heard the Petrus confesses to the murder of Rhea if you show him the Pendant. I tried that but nothing happened for me. Anyone else get something out of him?
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 6, 2011 4:24 am
It is way too late in the morning now but I thought up another idea. It involves Shiva and the black eye orb. What if you can only use one black eye orb per play through? Therefore, if everyone here invaded Lautrec first, like me, it might render the event with Shiva useless and unplayable until next play through.
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Adrikekz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Adrikekz Dec 6, 2011 4:30 am
Good idea, Digital.

Meaning, you would have to kill Lautrec in order to stop that event from ever occuring?
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ArkAndSka re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
ArkAndSka Dec 6, 2011 5:05 am
@Digital-Ashes

On page 23 you mention ivisible ledges in the catacombs that prism stones land on but you fall through. Have you tried walking on them with the Covenant of Artorias ring equipped?
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 6, 2011 6:19 am
I'm almost ready for the nine soul/cups. Priscilla and Gwyndolin and Smough are the only ones left.

I've actually thought about saving the Black Eye Orb to see I can use it anywhere else, but I'm not going to try that for a while, because I need the Souvenir of Reprisal.
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Solrak_Selarom re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Solrak_Selarom Dec 6, 2011 7:25 am
Question... If you dont use the black orb in a game... you get it of in a NG+!? O.o If not you will have 2 orbs in a second walktrough.

@Digital-Ashes
Its worth a shot but every person that says: "I´m not gonna spoil but you´ll be surprised..." For me its trolling...

Damn... Already killed 4 kings and got reahs out of tomb... i have to much to do before dukes archives
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Solrak_Selarom re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Solrak_Selarom Dec 6, 2011 7:35 am
Btw... Anyone else got this "tip" from Lautrec!? Hes asked me for 30k souls... maybe i can get more tips!?

I think he kills firekeeper after you ring both bells right!? Ill return after each boss to see if he says something else.

Another thing... why just thinking about boss souls... I think there is to like 9 fire keepers souls... maybe you need those and not the boss ones!?
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Tornesol re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Tornesol Dec 6, 2011 8:45 am
This is an addictive thread indeed.
Tho I find it hard to get things summed up about what has been tried or not. What ways left there is to go ect.

Is there someone hardcore enough who is willing to sum up what left there is to try? related to the pendant that is =)
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 6, 2011 9:20 am
I can go through this thread after I get home today and make a list of what has been done. Might not get to start until around 5:30 or 6pm tonight for me though. (9:20am as of now)
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Tornesol re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Tornesol Dec 6, 2011 11:14 am
That would be great. Thanks.
Reason I don't do it is because I don't have the time. Aaaand I'm lazy. lol
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 6, 2011 12:41 pm
i made a post yesterday.

Try Beating with game with Pendant
-Not using any boss or fireKeeper souls

-Only staying in either a good / neutral / evil
covenant throughout a single playthrough and choosing the final ending according to your choice.

(i know neutral is neutral but just had to incorporate it.

Maybe since we are the Furtive Pygmy's descendants ... we have to take back all Pygmy gave out...

just thoughts..
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 6, 2011 12:45 pm
I have not tried the Ring in the Tomb. Personally, I think that might be a glitch but I'll do it today.

And I think even picking up the Black Eye Orb for Lautrec will prevent Shiva's

And someone claimed to have seen a crouching NPC near the titanite Demon's in Sen's but they couldn't make it to them. Them Titanites are ruthless. It might be worth it seeing as there is one room that is seemingly pointless down there. Right below Logan's cage.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 6, 2011 12:46 pm
But I also have exams so my time is limited.
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worstdream180 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
worstdream180 Dec 6, 2011 12:57 pm
Hello, everyone. This post is huge and very interesting.
Among all the mysteries Dark Souls has I would like to know why was Rhea praying in front of the vases at Firelink Shrine?? Did someone try to use the "Chameleon" sorcery there and wait for about 30 seconds carrying the pendant?
I will try this on my next gameplay.
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 6, 2011 1:01 pm
but why was reah praying to that corpse, and where did it go?

And why did there need to be a tower knight protecting it?
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 6, 2011 1:04 pm
Because it's a firekeeper. Reah's mission was to kindle the bonfires with the rite of kindling and the firekeeper keep the fires lit. She views them with a holy status or something and she was praying to the dead one because well, their dead and can no longer keep their fire lit.

Acid_Rabbitz Dec 6, 2011 1:07 pm
but then why does the corpse disappear when reah does?


in my game when she arrived in dukes, the corpse in he chapel was gone ...

none of the other firekeeper bodies u get souls from disappear, minus the one u kill in Anor Londo.

its making believe that, that corpse is not a firekeeper only
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Unforseen re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Unforseen Dec 6, 2011 1:09 pm
maybe she buried the corpse?
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 6, 2011 1:13 pm
that makes no sense ...

in the intro video, it shows a corpse in the the ground being prayed over by a woman...

could it be the same corpse and Reah is moving it for protection?

or the fact it disappears when she is in Dukes, means she moved it there as well for Seathe?

she couldnt get the pendant to work..so seeked Seathe out.

Could that corpse be Pygmy??

just thoughts mind you
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 6, 2011 1:15 pm
The art of Abysswalking will not prevent death.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 6, 2011 1:17 pm
The corpse is here in my game. Oh, wait. I had to let reah die for a pendant. This is interesting. I must try on my other character.
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 6, 2011 1:18 pm
I saved Reah and the corpse is gone
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 6, 2011 1:20 pm
Theory time!

Leave the firekeeper soul there. See what happens to it when reah moves to dukes.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 6, 2011 1:32 pm
https://2img.net/h/oi40.tinypic.com/20gy5xt.jpg
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 6, 2011 1:36 pm
Okay, sorry for that last post. These are the areas where the prism stones land on invisible ledges but I can't. It's all around the three bone dogs just before you get out of the darkness. Sorry for the crappy quality.

https://2img.net/h/oi40.tinypic.com/2s64mle.jpg

https://2img.net/h/oi40.tinypic.com/w15wm9.jpg

https://2img.net/h/oi40.tinypic.com/20gy5xt.jpg
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glyphblade re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
glyphblade Dec 6, 2011 3:35 pm
I have left the firekeeper corpse and soul in the parish, bought all of reah's stuff from her.. and she has moved on..

the corpse and fire keeper soul are still there...


I am just about done with leveling the forest hunters.. I have rank 3.. was trying to see if it could over rank or reach a maximum like with Kaathe will say very good, cannot donate anymore through humanity donations...

Someone asked for a sumarized list of what has and what hasn't been tried:

I have tried the following.

I have said yes to Petrus when first meeting, he forces a coveneant join to learn spells..

I have said no to Petrus, and upon Reah's arrival will force covenant to sell you miracles.. when reah arrives he will sell to you without forcing a covenant join

Killing Patches right away as soon as you drop in Firelink, Reah's quest continues as normal, she just doesn't mention patches.

I have let patches live, told him I was a cleric, he became hostile and attacked me. reah's story continues as normal

I have Answered No to being a Cleric, and No to forgiving Patchings, he gives you a twin humanities as a I'm sorry, Reah's story seems to continue as normal. I will know when I unluck the dukes today.

I have said No to Enygi upon first arrival after killing Quelagg, he will not move over or ask again until you change zones, or kill a boss upon return then he will ask you again. Saying yes you are a new servant.

I have said no to all the np'c when they offer to teach you spells, they will offer again, or if you change your mind come back and ask me again.

All except Dusk, saying no to her when she offers to teach you magic, she is gone from the game for good.

I have not tried saying No to any of the onion knight quests.. thats my next playthrough.. still trying to get both of them alive at the end.

as for the pendant..

I have tried to use it before every boss fight, on logan in seaths before he goes hollow and has lost his memory,

on reah in the parish when she says everyone she knows is dead.

On the crestfallen warrior, merchants,

I have stood beside solaire in all his gear with the first born ring equiped and no change.

I have equiped the white sceance ring everywhere in conjunction with the maidens outfit, and white talisman

I have tried every spell on the gears, hit ever wall in the dukes and nothing.

When I go to see Seath this time I will be wearing all the way of the white gear and will try both being in Way of the white, and Princess guard to see if seath locks me up somewhere else..

Now some point of wisdom as it were

the pendant should provide a prompt like the black eye orb, it will be a item that should reveal it's useage just by having one in your inventory, it should be a passive item that will tell you when to use it.

Character creation Race, Sex and appearance should not effect the ability to find the secret, it will be equal opportunity for all..

Some outcomes that can influence it in my opinion are covenant rank, equipable appearnce ie shield, weapon, armor, etc.

everyone should be able to have access to what ever this mystery is based on the amount of time required and invested into making and leveling up a character.

The last idea might be gesture based like pray 50 times or 99 times at a statue..

talk to someone 50 to 99 times

I say 50 because in King's field you got a secret magic crystal - translate to dark souls as in a spell for talking to someone 50 times in a row.

It could be 99 because in Dark Souls 99 is the maximum of anything you can have, or rank for covenant...

quick jot down of idea's so don't bust me for grammer and spelling..
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 6, 2011 3:48 pm
Glyph is alive!

Hey, Glyph can you try my idea for Shiva as you appear to be closer than I? Only allowed one Black Eye Orb per playthrough. Try Shiva first instead if Lautrec. There also might be an order to it like Lautrec. I.e. go into Depths come out and the Firekeeper is dead. Something like that for Shiva and the Covenant.
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 6, 2011 3:55 pm
I think I've found something that might be new.

I've been spending a lot of time seeing all the different conversations Quelan and Eingy have to say. (I don't have the exact words for everything, but I remember the general information so if you want it, just ask).

Anyway, Eingy has started asking for Quelana (the pyromancy vendor) and he said she might be one of the Chaos Witches and that if she was, she would make Quelan feel better.

The problem is I killed Quelana. >.>

If anyone has Eingy's trust and is rank 3 (that's when he started asking for her, could they go see Quelana and see if anything changes? It might be useful to have the Old Witch Ring equipped.

I'll be able to test this myself tomorrow on a new playthrogh. Just need to kill Seath and Gwynn, then I'll take the shortcut to Blighttown. I'll use the Old Witch Ring for Quelag too, but that won't make a difference, probably.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 6, 2011 3:59 pm
No, he asks that regardless as long as you gain his trust with the egg head thing.
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 6, 2011 4:01 pm
Alright. Anyone talked to Quelana after that?
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 6, 2011 4:03 pm
Yeah, nothing but I haven't tried at full rank.
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 6, 2011 4:05 pm
Okay, I'll try it next playthrough then.

I'll do it with the Witch Ring and the egg-head infection.
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glyphblade re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
glyphblade Dec 6, 2011 5:04 pm
Hey digital.. this playthrough I have already killed Shiva.. so it will have to wait til my next..

I have rank 3 forest hunter and gonna go visit sif now.. and progress the game...

I also plan on keeping lautrecs back eye orb until the end.. if not taking it into new game next.. 7 I think..

see if it is like the abyss ring and you lose it each play.. .. or like a fire keeper soul, you can only have so many of them...

The discription of the Shiva black eye would make it a unique item as well.. like you can get 3 or 4 different fire keeper souls with the same discription, but they don't stack.. and you can get the anor londo and daughter of chaos souls..

basically if the Shiva black eye orb is in the game, having Lautrecs should not make a difference in wether you can carry it, it will have a unique item signiture within the game..

I'll be giving the full rank treatment to all the covenants and see if they're any change in anyones behavior as well.
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Monopolus re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Monopolus Dec 6, 2011 5:43 pm
I see this may have been somewhat 'lost' in the current discussion, but about the door in the Centipede Demon room...maybe you could lure it over there, and have it do the long-range punch attack on it? -shrug- I just beat it on NG+ and thought that could be viable.
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 6, 2011 5:50 pm
I'm about to go to the centipede Demon on my SL 46 sunbro to farm for red titanite chunks to get my whip to a +9 fire whip.

I'll test that theory.
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 6, 2011 6:24 pm
GUYS. From the bonfire in the demon ruins (The one you get to from killing the Centipede thing NOT THE DEMON... the one that pops out of the wall the second bonfire.)

Has anyone worn the orange charred ring and jumped onto the lava path right near that bonfire?

It looks like there may be a little path that goes around but you need that ring. It could kill you instantly though because it isn't bright yellow/orange lava and just a deeper red. I'd really like to know if it does lead somewhere.

Once I get past the demon firesage and get to the centipede demon I can test it out :/
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Dustofsaturn Dec 6, 2011 6:38 pm
Just got the centipede demon to attack the giant stone door 3 times with his centipede arm and nothing
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 6, 2011 8:06 pm
But I keep saying you can carry Firekeeper souls over and have multiple ones. They don't stack though.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 6, 2011 8:06 pm
I am off to that Bonfire you spoke of in Demon's Ruins to test that theory.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 6, 2011 8:22 pm
It's a kill drop.
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 6, 2011 8:33 pm
Yea I found that out as well sadly. At least we know now that FROM has put kill zones into the game.

Oh and the path covered in branches (I assume it's the one opposite of the shortcut to Izalith) is not only blocked by branches but also by an invisible wall.

Now I'm just at O&S helping people out with my +7 fire whip that does 89dmg on ornstein o_o Haven't died yet
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 6, 2011 8:48 pm
Could use some help at the Kiln.
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 6, 2011 9:04 pm
Alright, just checked the last 3 pages to check to see if you've left you soul level. I'm not sure if my level 116 is at the kiln but what exactly is your level?
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 6, 2011 9:05 pm
SL 166. . .
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 6, 2011 9:08 pm
166. RARGH. I have a 206, 198, 116, 90, 55, 45, 16.

My 198 is a fail (My first play through).
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 6, 2011 9:11 pm
I am literally finding no summon signs. And I keep getting invaded
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 6, 2011 9:16 pm
Even with help I don't think any amount of armour can help on NG++++
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 6, 2011 9:22 pm
I have a 180. I was just at the Kiln ten minutes ago. >.> Now I'm on NG++++.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 6, 2011 9:27 pm
Dang it. . . my summon sign started glitching.
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JohnnyHarpoon re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
JohnnyHarpoon Dec 6, 2011 10:23 pm
Anyone ever try leaving Hollowed characters alive? So often are we told that if one goes Hollow, to automatically kill them.

No ideas beyond that, but Rhea, Seigelinde, etc. all are pretty fervent about killing Hollowed NPCs, so it's just an idea...
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 6, 2011 10:27 pm
I left Oscar alive after my trip back to the Asylum.
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Noctes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Noctes Dec 6, 2011 10:31 pm
You should go check up on him.

You know, so he doesn't crack his skull from banging it up against a wall or chew his foot off or something.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 6, 2011 10:38 pm
It's on my other character but I want to beat ornstein and smough first. Need help.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 6, 2011 11:23 pm
Still hollowed
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neuromodulator re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
neuromodulator Dec 7, 2011 12:36 am
What's up everyone? Long time lurker obsessed with the idea of potentially uncovered secrets. I haven't read this entire thread carefully, it's too long, so I may repeat some already-covered topics.

1/ It bugs me that there's these pair of seance rings, and for one of them the word "seance" is significant and for one of them it's not. I've played through almost an entire playthrough with the white seance ring on, though, and found nothing, and I see others have tried that. It really bugs me, though.

2/ I feel like there's a high probability that if there is something secret and undiscovered, it has to do with the Painted World, because the Painted World is like layers of secrets deep. On top of that, the fact that the boss is non-hostile makes me suspicious. I had this whole theory that the tower in the Painted World and the spiral staircase into the sky was a reverse-parallel of the spiral staircase down into the abyss, but I couldn't figure anything out there (including taking a leap of faith to my death).

3/ I've got to get into my story theories here, I'll try to make this brief: I'm half-convinced that Kaathe is good and Gwyn is evil. I think the Four Kings have the dark soul of the Pygmy (since the other great lords we know have the non-dark souls by elimination), and that the flooding of New Londo was to contain the carrier of the Dark Soul. (And all the bodies are the human residents of New Londo, whom the Lords are basically a different race from and don't care about).

So it also occurs to me that maybe Priscilla is a half-breed child of a Lord and a human, and that's why she was banished and New Londo was flooded and the humans mostly slaughtered. (I thought the tail meant half-dragon, but if the Lords are afraid of humans they might have freaked out at a Lord/Human child). So again this points to Priscilla as possibly a key.

(Also the encouragement to harvest and kindle humanity seems to line up with this anti-human policy - and then the dark wraiths are potentially heroic in that they're trying to gather humanity precisely to stop it from being kindled. They're not trying to hoard it but preserve it...)

4/ The other thought (which is discouraging), is the long wait required at the raven's nest the first time you return to the asylum, and in the sarcophagus to join the covenant. This suggests any secret could necessitate a long wait somewhere and you'll never find it without knowing where it is, first.
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Noctes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Noctes Dec 7, 2011 12:50 am
Abour Priscilla.. She is half-dragon, which is weird to think about.

Why else would her dagger require Dragon Scales to upgrade?

Digital-Ashes Dec 7, 2011 12:51 am
Four Kings were made from a part of Gwyn's soul.
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Adrikekz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Adrikekz Dec 7, 2011 3:50 am
Just gonna launch this **** out there;

Digital just wrote that Firekeeper souls can be kept through NG till ng+. Is there any limit to how many of these suckers you can stack? Possibly 9? If so, From might have spoken the truth in regards that we would not be able to unlock it in the first couple of playthroughs.
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Halicarnassis re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Halicarnassis Dec 7, 2011 8:12 am
I just started my NG+ game yesterday and finally finished off the Gargoyles. Went to the jail cell to find that chap in the Armour of Favour but he was not in his cell! In my first playthrough I let him out and invaded him in Anor Londo killing him and getting his armour, but now he aint anywhere...
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 7, 2011 8:25 am
I think I have some Firekeeper Souls left over, so getting nine won't be a problem.

I'm also nearly done gathering Boss Souls. Got distracted killing the bosses with nothing but their own weapons >.>

Also, has anyone tried killing all the Firekeepers in the game and leaving the Firelink one dead?
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old__red re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
old__red Dec 7, 2011 9:13 am
you can keep 14 firekeepers souls, 2 of each but 7 have to be kept in the bottomless box and the other 7 in your inventory. so in truth you can only hold one of each on your character.
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old__red re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
old__red Dec 7, 2011 9:36 am
also miyazaki said players "may" not find the use for the pendant until their 2nd or 3rd playthrough which means that it can be used 1st time round. this is worth taking into consideration.
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old__red re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
old__red Dec 7, 2011 9:51 am
one last thing, has anyone tried completing every npc's path and summoned each npc for all the bosses in one playthrough? i'm trying this now but solair keeps dying on the gaping dragon in ng++++. funny thing i noticed is it's the only boss where you can summon 2 npc's (solair and laurtec).
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ThatGuy1337 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
ThatGuy1337 Dec 7, 2011 10:04 am
I managed summoning everyone in ng and nothing else happened. Although with that same character I failed the onion knight's quest in Izalith. Accidentally killed too many of those tentacle things and the last one fell in a pit. Then onion knight said he was useless.
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anson1986 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
anson1986 Dec 7, 2011 10:31 am
also something to point out for any of you that didn't play demon's souls: Patches the Hyena is the only NPC from the first game to appear in the second game. He acts as the same type of character in the first as well (he tricks you into some danger that yields an item you're glad you have despite the trouble). While there is not as much to support him being the key to this, I think it is interesting that FROM kept him in there and left out so many other amazing characters. (Snuggly would be the only other semi-recurring character) Also, someone earlier had asked about killing all NPC's..I did this at the end of my first playthrough to make sure I had all items and wouldn't have to piss anyone off in my next playthrough. Nothing special happened.
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professorOfLies re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
professorOfLies Dec 7, 2011 10:51 am
Has anyone tried to use the princess guard ally healing miracles on oscar in NG+?
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 7, 2011 11:37 am
I only ever got one Fireskeeper soul to carry over. And the most I ever had was three.

I've always wanted to try and save Solaire but he was always glitched. Hopefully if I can move past Gwyn I can put some theories to the test.
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neuromodulator re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
neuromodulator Dec 7, 2011 12:23 pm
old_red, can't you summon Lautrec and Solaire for the gargoyles, too?
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DriftSpace re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
DriftSpace Dec 7, 2011 12:54 pm
Halicarnassis:
Lautrec escapes from his cell when you kill the gargoyles.

old__red: The Gaping Dragon is not the only boss fight for which you can summon two NPCs. If you free Lautrec before you fight the Gargoyles at the belfry his summon sign will appear before the fog leading to the roof. If you climb the first ladder and face away from it (turn around) there will be a ledge on the opposite side. You can walk-around the edge of the area to get to Lautrec's summon sign, which is clearly visible when you face away from the ladder. Both Lautrec and Solaire are available to help for both Gargoyles and Gaping Dragon.
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cre4tw re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
cre4tw Dec 7, 2011 1:02 pm
hi, my first time on this forum.

i'm not good in english, so please forgive me.

i have noticed that the crown of gwyn is the only item you can sell for 10.000 souls and its description says that its lost all his might.
maybe there is a possibility to recharge it.

and a question to reah.
she vanished in my playthrough from the undead church to duke's archiv. didnt kill petrus, only patches.
so is she killed by petrus or in fact by patches?
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DriftSpace re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
DriftSpace Dec 7, 2011 1:04 pm
I currently have all the available Fire Keeper souls on my main character. I also thought that these were significant in some way because several of them are unique, and they do not stack.

Anyway, I wanted to add something about an experience I had a few nights ago:

I was investigating the Shiva Black Eye Orb, so I took the Chaos Blade to him to see if he wolud respond. As other members have said here: nothing. I was 2nd rank in the Forest Covenant, and he never mentioned the blade to me while it was in my inventory or equipped at both the Forest location and Blighttown location.

I then went to kill Quelaag to see if he changed his tune (you need her dead to make the blade). No change.

I then went to join the Servants of Chaos, but thought before I should go I should get an egg-head before talking to Eingyi because I had not done that before. He always asks if you are a new servant, and then says "where are your eggs?" so I figured I'd preempt that. After getting an egg-head he strangely responded after I said "yes" to his question by saying "Bah, no bother, go and have an audience with our Fair Lady..." which was a new response for me.

Conversation with the Daughter of Chaos was the same with the ring equipped. However, I realized that I had never tried talking to Lost Quelaana with an egg-head and/or the witch ring, so I went to do that. Strangely, in another new response for me, she requested that we not talk about The Witch of Izalith because she fled from that place and left her sisters to put it behind her or something like that. She did not ask me to do her a favor and help release her sisters like she had in previous play-throughs, but I can still buy spells from her.

My Chaos Blade was only upgraded to +3, so it may still be that a +5 chaos blade is needed to trigger Shiva's response.
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 7, 2011 1:08 pm
I have never been able to find Lautrec's summon sign, even after freeing him. I think I might have to leave the area and come back later for it to appear, after freeing him.

I haven't found it for the Gaping Dragon, either.

If anyone wants to save Solaire, this is how to do it:

Speak to him on the bridge near the red dragon.
(Summon him against Gargoyles; may be optional)
(Summon him against Gaping Dragon; may be optional)
Speak to him in Anor Londo, at the last bonfire.
(Summon him against Ornstein and Smough; may be optional).

He will next appear at the bonfire after the Centipede Demon. You can speak to him there, but do not proceed forward. Instead, use the shortcut to Lost Izalit and kill the bugs until you find the Sunlight Maggot. (You can do this first, then speak to him after the Centipede Boss room). Then go back to the shortcut and you'll find him there, sitting down. He won't attack if you did everything right. (You may have to enter Lost Izalith to make appear, but do so only AFTER you have found the Sunlight Maggot and spoken to him after the centipede demon.)

At some point, he appears at the Sunlight Altar, but I don't think it's necessary to speak to him here, because I didn't last playthrough and I still saved him.

I summoned Solaire against Gwynn and focused on keeping him alive. Nothing special happened.

I got a sunlight medal, but he lost his sunbro golden form and became normal for a few moments before disappearing.

Also, Solaire in the Gwynn fight is incredible. He makes it easy. I didn't even take damage the last time (except from te fire that gets through the shield.)
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HolyPK9 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
HolyPK9 Dec 7, 2011 1:24 pm
Okay this is quite tenuous, but I think that the trading the pendant for souvenir of reprisal is in itself a hint towards the pygmy.

How I interpret it, it's the player symbolically choosing to neglect his calling as descendant of pygmy and potential dark lord turn his favor towards continuing the age of fire as a tool of the 'Gods'

know its kinda bogus, but I thought was quite the interesting thought.
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neuromodulator re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
neuromodulator Dec 7, 2011 1:34 pm
Sorry, what does the Chaos Blade have to do with Shiva?
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Gurren_C_Gil re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Gurren_C_Gil Dec 7, 2011 1:54 pm
professorOfLies: "Has anyone tried to use the princess guard ally healing miracles on oscar in NG+?"
leveling up to do this, should do it by today and will write down the results later.
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Noctes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Noctes Dec 7, 2011 2:32 pm
@neuromodulator: Theres a document that contains information within the game that was not included in the final version, including some items, their descriptions, and some characters and all of their dialogue.

Within it is more dialogue for Shiva, who seems entranced by a "Blade of Chaos" you seem to be holding, which could only be the Chaos Blade, seeing as its very similar in name, and its a Katana, so..

Anyway, he asks if he can have it, saying he has never seen a blade like it in his life. His reactions are similar to that of someone being drawn to serious power, like the One Ring. I believe if you say no, that he cannot have it, then he attempts to kill you. If he does, he will disappear, and you somehow will receive ANOTHER Black Eye Orb to search for him and get back your blade, similar to how you had to search for Lautrec after he kills Anastacia/Firelink Firekeeper.

Razor2202 Dec 7, 2011 2:39 pm
Tiny update: With regards to the open chest behind where Frampt appears at the fire link shrine- I found that in addition to the rings we know will appear in the chest if dropped, I also had the Dragon Eye appear in the chest as well.

Was weird really, it appeared for me even though I was not, nor had ever been a member of the covenant. But I had just traded some stuff with a bud and he had given me a Dragon Head Stone as well as a Dragon Torso Stone. I guess the game assumed that since I had both stone, I needed the eye? A Glitch I'm assuming.

However... one of you guys that has a backed up save game, we might be able to experiment here. Drop all the **** in your inventory and see what appears in the box. Might give us a clue as to what is game-breaking-important, and what is not. SLIM, SLIM chance, I know, but I think were hitting that point...

Would be interesting to see if something like the White Seance Ring pops up in there...
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inksoldier re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
inksoldier Dec 7, 2011 2:46 pm
I don't know if this has been mentioned but has anyone tried showing the Chaos Blade to Shiva at Darkroot Garden? Probably most likely in NG+
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 7, 2011 4:32 pm
I noticed that Seath's Souls calls him an albino, while the Lifehunt Scythe refers to Priscilla as 'stark white'.
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Razor2202 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Razor2202 Dec 7, 2011 4:43 pm
Oh holy crap! So who is the mother? Awesome tid bit!
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HolyPK9 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
HolyPK9 Dec 7, 2011 4:51 pm
Gwynevere is rumoured. tbf only person big enough
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 7, 2011 7:09 pm
In 15mins I'll start putting everything we've done into a giant list.
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Carphil07 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Carphil07 Dec 7, 2011 7:14 pm
This post deserves a trophy
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Gurren_C_Gil re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Gurren_C_Gil Dec 7, 2011 8:21 pm
Just tried using the miracles dropped by the two crying squids on them, no luck. x_X Something i just recently found out is that kaathe, the firelinks firekeeper, and the boob lady (lady) give an extra dialougue once u give all the bosses souls to the lord vessel. On another note also noticed that the dark lords ending says that both Kaathe and Frampt will aid you O.O. Thats all i have for now... now to NG++++
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 7, 2011 8:43 pm
I've made it to page 16 with 53 different points. Some things we've done. Some things that we still haven't figured out, and some are just some lore we've uncovered and other things we've discovered.

I'ma go take a break. If I feel up for it I can organize it all but it won't be done for tonight. I can do more tomorrow night and I have Friday off so we should have a full list soon.
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EcclesGate re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
EcclesGate Dec 7, 2011 9:54 pm
I've been monitoring this thread and a few others in different sites along the same topic. One thing I don't think has been mentioned here is that several NPCs offer different dialogue if you are cursed. Someone should try doing a game run (as much as can be done) while cursed. You have access to the great hollow from the beginning of the game and can get cursed there. I'm back on to demon's Souls now, trying for my last two trophies needed to platinum, so I won't be able to do this for a little while.

Also, The nine urns. There are nine boss souls to collect. Anyone have All the boss souls in their inventory, including a gwyn's?
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JohnnyHarpoon re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
JohnnyHarpoon Dec 7, 2011 10:00 pm
I have all the boss souls and went to Firelink Altar with all of them in my inventory. Nothing overt or obvious happened, but it was late at night and I didn't experiment very much. I do not have all the Lord Souls, however.

Any ideas of things to try?
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JohnnyHarpoon re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
JohnnyHarpoon Dec 7, 2011 10:01 pm
Quadruple post wtf?
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Unforseen re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Unforseen Dec 7, 2011 10:02 pm
lol fail
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 7, 2011 10:10 pm
Wow that was an insane quad post.
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FexDS re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
FexDS Dec 7, 2011 10:15 pm
Guys it would be really helpful if we could start adding some of this stuff to the lore page.

http://darksoulswiki.wikispaces.com/Lore
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Kumiaw re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Kumiaw Dec 7, 2011 10:29 pm
Damn I'd forgotten about the lore page o_o
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 7, 2011 10:34 pm
@Johnny Harpoon:

Yes, go to the giant door in the centipede boss room. I'm hoping it will open as it is similar in design as the one to the Kiln. You might need Gwyn's soul as well.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 7, 2011 10:34 pm
I've never updated a wiki before. What should we put and how?
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FexDS re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
FexDS Dec 7, 2011 10:41 pm
You can go to the "edit" button on the top right of the page and then scroll to the part where you want to type information and add it in, press save, done!

It's really easy even if you want to create a new section. Just type it out and then let me know I'll take a look to make sure the formatting works.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 7, 2011 10:43 pm
Ok, I'll give it a try tomorrow on tonight.

JohnnyHarpoon Dec 8, 2011 12:57 am
@Digital Just tried to Centipede Demon door and nothing. I'll return once I have the Lord Souls as well, but I tried hitting it with +15 Weapons, the Chaos Blade +5 (figuring there's a lot of talk about it, and if it's important enough for Shiva to steal, then maybe it does something), all to no avail. I didn't try any gestures, maybe I'll go back and try.

But yeah, that's all.
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 8, 2011 1:04 am
Okay. I've finishing beating up Smough with his own hammer and have all the souls.

Tried a few simple things at Firelink Altar. No paths appeared, no ring worked.

I don't know what else I can do, except use all the souls down there or feed all the souls to Frampt. I might hit a few suspicious looking areas to see if anything has changed.

I'm hesitant to use my souls, since them will prevent any further tests. I have some spares which I could use, but unless there's an overt indication of something happening, they won't help much.

I'm also interested in the 'cursed' conversations and what the Firekeeper has to say when you unlock the Kiln. Guess I have some work to do.

On another note, I often see people wondering about Priscilla's mother. She might have been one of Seath's experiments, if she is related to him at all. (Sort of based on his own DNA or soul).
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EcclesGate re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
EcclesGate Dec 8, 2011 1:11 am
Xirmi, you mentioned feeding them to Frampt. I didn't realize this was an option. I wonder if anything can be gained from doing so, aside from the souls he offers, ie: feed him a soul and the corresponding urn lights up or something.
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 8, 2011 1:19 am
Yeah, that's what I'm hoping. I have 2 souls for Quelag, Sif and the Iron Golem, so I'll see if changes anything.

I tried using a soul in the last playthrough in the Kiln, but nothing happened. I didn't have all the Souls, though.

I think I'll get the Lord Souls first, just to be on the safe side.
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 8, 2011 1:21 am
I meant at Firelink Altar, not the Kiln*
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JohnnyHarpoon re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
JohnnyHarpoon Dec 8, 2011 3:22 am
I have all the souls, but I joined Darkwraith Covenant so Frampt isn't an option for me.
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Adrikekz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Adrikekz Dec 8, 2011 3:27 am
What happens if you USE a firekeeper soul?
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 8, 2011 3:29 am
You gain five humanity.

I'm not sure if you get any extra souls.
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Tornesol re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Tornesol Dec 8, 2011 8:12 am
Nopp, just the humanity. Is I recall it
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Adrikekz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Adrikekz Dec 8, 2011 8:15 am
Then using the firekeeper souls is out of the question, as far as I see it.
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 8, 2011 9:18 am
I'm still curious about Shiva. I mean really why did they make it so BOTH Alvina and Pathes distrust him without any meaning?

I need to try some things with Shiva the shady later.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 8, 2011 12:12 pm
So, i just realized something. Nine cups=nine souls or nine cups=nine covenants
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 8, 2011 12:36 pm
Has anyone tried trading pendants with other summoned phantoms???

Just an idea I have ...
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 8, 2011 12:57 pm
Got all the souls, tested feeding them to Frampt and using them. Nothing so far.

Digital, any idea what it could be with covenants?

It could be either rank up enough in all of them, kill all the leaders or let all the leaders live.

I'm trying to get to the next NG, but Gwyn is being a pain. My tanking strategy doesn't work on NG++++. >.>
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 8, 2011 1:00 pm
Honestly, I've no idea. I heard talk of a secret tenth covenant and that's when it dawned on me that there are a total of nine known covenants.

It's just a thought at the moment.
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DriftSpace re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
DriftSpace Dec 8, 2011 1:21 pm
How about this:
Apparently you can max-out in a covenant; I've heard a message appears when you give so many materials that you get a "well done" message or something on your screen. Has anybody maxed-out a covenant and checked to see if one of the urns is lit or changed?

I think maxed-out is even beyond rank +3, but I'm not sure because I have not done it myself.

The only problem with this theory is that we don't know how to rank-up in Princess Guard or Way of White, even though the text dump showed +3 for both of those covenant ranks.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 8, 2011 1:23 pm
This is true. I can try Sunbro. Currently I'm at +2 in it.
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kim1519 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
kim1519 Dec 8, 2011 1:27 pm
I ranked max in darkmoon.. i am not sure if it says well done.. but when i try to offer souvenirs .. it wont let me
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 8, 2011 1:28 pm
Try the Altar and see if one of the cups is lit. By the way, I must acknowledge that achievement. Must of taken a long time to do that.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 8, 2011 1:33 pm
I killed Gwynevere and Gwyndolin and took a look around Anor Londo. Something I've never done before. I had no idea that there were two NPCs where the two giants were in front of Smough and Ornstein. One of them look likes the Crestfallen Merchant.

DriftSpace Dec 8, 2011 1:54 pm
Yeah, one does look like the Crestfallen Merchant, but it's not; you can go back to Sen's and he's still there, still giving you lip and selling you junk even after you kill his look-alike at Anor Londo. Those two NPCs also respawn.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 8, 2011 2:01 pm
Yeah, I found that out. Well, it's a good area to grind at least.
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 8, 2011 2:11 pm
I can max out the Chaos Servant as soon as I'm on the PS3 again. I'm Rank 3 and I have tons of humanity.
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Gurren_C_Gil re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Gurren_C_Gil Dec 8, 2011 2:41 pm
Ok, Im in NG ++++ Any ideas on what i should do in this run?
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Nchuleftingth re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Nchuleftingth Dec 8, 2011 2:41 pm
I'm not sure if this has been brought up, but I've had a little thought about the four kings and whatever the hell they're doing down in the abyss.

Somewhere in the game, it mentions that they went down there by lord gwyn's orders. Also, their lord souls mentions how gwyn appeciated their foresight or something like that....

What I think might be going on is: the four kings went into the abyss to keep the descendant of the furtive pygmy from finding kaathe, and joining the darkstalkers. I'm assuming this is what it means when it mentions their foresight: the had known what was going to happen, informed gwyn, he asked them to protect the abyss, and in return gave them a piece of his soul.
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neuromodulator re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
neuromodulator Dec 8, 2011 2:50 pm
Along those lines, is Artorias supposed to be heroic? Because everything in-game feels like he's supposed to be a hero, but some item text indicates his co-operation with the abyss denizens.
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 8, 2011 2:53 pm
Artorias was one of Gwyn's Four Knights, so I am of the belief that he was heroic at some point.

I think he met Darkstalker Kaathe, though, and ended up making a covenant with the abyss (hence his ring.) His sword was also cursed because of that.
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 8, 2011 4:07 pm
Again has anyone traded pendants with other summoned players? if possible?
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Gurren_C_Gil re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Gurren_C_Gil Dec 8, 2011 4:11 pm
I have tried using the pendant when i been summoned, nothing tho. Well as of now i started ng++++ first boss i killed is quelagg and rang the bell see if anything changes and has anyone tried using the pendant with the vagrants? since they rarely appear, believe they are more than just souls.
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 8, 2011 4:44 pm
https://i.imgur.com/rQmml.jpg

When does this happen in DS??

I dont remember that ever... and its a screenshot from the game..
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 8, 2011 4:47 pm
It's an early screenshot. Looks somewhat like Firelink Shrine but the bridge is different.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 8, 2011 4:52 pm
Here's one I found:

https://2img.net/h/oi39.tinypic.com/dwa0ip.jpg
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 8, 2011 4:54 pm
I pulled it off of Kotaku on an Article of Dark Souls. But the pictures where glitched and some Space Marines were mixed in. Honestly, there's no telling if this is Dark Souls or not but it seems to suit the style and art of it.
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Unforseen re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Unforseen Dec 8, 2011 4:55 pm
never seen that place, so it may or may not be ingame
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 8, 2011 4:58 pm
Guyra - The Black Dragon who is opposed to the White Dragon, "Seath."

Guyra broke a black crystal which controls the powers of nature.
(Seath battle you broke a white crystal)

He created the "Moonlight Sword" to make his chosen warriors fight for his revival.


Im going to try using the Moonlight Sword on Seath and the Eternal Dragon on a hunch..

little interesting morsel... while reading up on Kingsfield Series
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 8, 2011 5:02 pm
I tried to kill the Everlasting Dragon. Tried a bunch of weapons and I tried hitting him many times, as I heard some secrets in older games developed/published by From Software were triggered by hitting things repeatedly. Nothing happened

I really hate how there's no information or talk option about that dragon.
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 8, 2011 5:26 pm
What if you go full dragonoid and speak with him/her/it?

Something must kill it. Poison/toxic mist doesn't so there goes are only Miasma and Plague mimic.
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 8, 2011 5:38 pm
I have tried 100 Dragonslayer arrows on Everlasting Dragon.

Drooped his health bar down to 0, yet no death.

I have tried poison daggers and arrows, poison does not take effect at all.

one request though ... anyone have any history on Sen's fortress or who Sen is... just a stupid thing i need to figure out
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JohnnyHarpoon re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
JohnnyHarpoon Dec 8, 2011 5:49 pm
Anybody try Sunlight Spear against Dragon? Doubt it'd do anything considering it's an obvious route, but just wondering.
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ublug re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
ublug Dec 8, 2011 5:51 pm

I donated 250 humanity as a chaos servant in my first playthrough, out of curiosity, that was after reaching +3 which makes it about 330 humanity total. Nothing got lit at the altar.

The early prodction screens and videos had the red dragon above firelink. Probably as a deterrent to force players into another direction (and certain death) before trying to reach the undead burg. It was supposed to fall asleep after a while, so you could easily sneak by it. It was even a ladder there, leading up to the top of the bridge.
Firelink Shrine was alos different, with water around the bonfire. Anastacia was also sitting beside it, and not trapped below. Even the iron knight Tarkus was supposed to be there at some point.

You can check out the early screens and videos on the official site:
http://www.fromsoftware.jp/darksouls/contents/screenshot.html?l=e
http://www.fromsoftware.jp/darksouls/contents/trailer_en.html

Acid_Rabbitz Dec 8, 2011 5:51 pm
Im just wondering if there's a hidden crystal for the everlasting as well..


somewhere in ash lake maybe ... highly doubtful
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Cloudrunner re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Cloudrunner Dec 8, 2011 6:10 pm
You mean like Seath's? The only reason he had a crystal was because he was trying to replicate the immortal dragon scales that he lacks. Clearly the Everlasting Dragon already has those scales.
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Kumiaw re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Kumiaw Dec 9, 2011 12:29 am
Hey guys I'm going to Help edit the wiki to include the lore's / story etc etc is anyone doing an specific part so I won't edit it? or is anyone planning to make a layer for it so I would just try to organize it? ( I would do it myself but I have no experience with layers )
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Noctes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Noctes Dec 9, 2011 12:32 am
As far as I know no one's editing it right now.

I tried earlier, but I couldnt think of what to include..

To be honest, I'm not a big fan of it's current format.

On another note: Has anyone tried using Sunlight Spear on the Everlasting Dragon? If Gwyn could tear them off, why cant we with his own weapon?
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Kumiaw re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Kumiaw Dec 9, 2011 12:42 am
I don't like the format either, the game's lore would be pretty neat if it had a better format. Also are we allowed to use info on the posted threads in GameFAQs board about the lore? I mean I think it'll be easier picking it up from there and then just check off things from this thread. (of course I would ask the author first )
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 9, 2011 1:18 am
I've been doing a bit here and there but not much.

I don't have enough faith to use the Sunlight Spear and where is Glyph at?
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 9, 2011 3:29 am
I need 10 more faith for Sunlight Spear. That's about 2 million souls away.

I want to edit the Lore page as well, but I do not know what to edit. There a lot of things that are 'under construction'. Are these being worked on by someone or what?

I'd also like to expand the info to relevant pages. For example, having some Lore information on Gwyn's boss page and such, not just gameplay information.

Obviously, this is a wiki, so I'm not sure if there's anyone in charge and working on things.
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Tornesol re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Tornesol Dec 9, 2011 3:33 am
Ok anyone else got this..
On NG+ at the brigde from the parish to sen's fortress there was this sound.. Like something was breaking trees below. I tried to see something but to no succses. Dont know what triggered it tho and the sound was there evertime I walked on the bridge.
Anyone else got this?
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Adrikekz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Adrikekz Dec 9, 2011 3:36 am
Anyone tried using loads of resonance miracles?
I was just thinking, the only two covenants we have no clue how to level are the only ones offering resonance.
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Kumiaw re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Kumiaw Dec 9, 2011 3:46 am
@Xirmi
I would love to help out also... but even this whole thread it's a little too expanded I would have to read everything multiple times to check things out x_x there's was a nice organized thread in the Gamefaqs board about the lore of the game however I lost track of it. Anyone has it?
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Mr_Fragglez re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Mr_Fragglez Dec 9, 2011 3:49 am
Found patches at the first bonfire in catacoms he was up by the lever that turns the bridge I talked to him and he said the same stuff as he would in tog as I go to cross the bridge he pulls the lever and almost kills me then I go back to him and he says I'm sorry I' m sorry can we be friends
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ublug re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
ublug Dec 9, 2011 4:08 am
About the Lore page:
The was something I added to the incomplete parts. Not currently working on them, but I added some of the notes I had.
The format is more or less a list of the key points that should be included on the page.

Feel free to add and edit, but try to use the known facts and keep speculation to a minimum, since there are a hundred different ways to interprete the game.
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Adrikekz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Adrikekz Dec 9, 2011 4:10 am
Has anyone tried.. killing off patches before he tricks Reah and her gang? (Cause that's what he does, aint it?)
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Malaki-ps3 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Malaki-ps3 Dec 9, 2011 4:22 am
Has anyone tried a complete playthrough without dying? I was trying on ng+ but got 1 shotted by ceaseless. I think you'd probably need some dedicated co-op partners.
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 9, 2011 5:30 am
@Malaki-ps3: I've seen a Japanese dude beat the game in an hour and a half without dying.

About the Lore section:

I'm noticing the covenant parts. I can expand Way of the White and I could also add some lore to its respective page, but I need to find all the relevant items. I remember some of them but the wiki doesn't have all item descriptions. These are the ones that refer to the undead cleric mission and general information about the church. There are probably more, but I don't know them all, so if anyone knows them, help me out:

Rite of Kindling
Great Magic Barrier - says Havel was a Bishop, and I think Way of the White is the Church or part of it.
Lloyd's Talisman
Grant
Crescent Axe
Talisman/Canvas Talisman/Thorolund Talisman/Ivory Talisman
White Seance Ring - Confirms bishops to be part of the Way of the White
Cleric starting set
Cleric Set from Patches
Paladin Set

There's also information from Reah and Petrus in conversations.

Chaos Servant will be very easy to update too, since I think the lore is based entirely on conversations which are available on Youtube. I don't think I have any items with info about it.
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DriftSpace re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
DriftSpace Dec 9, 2011 11:59 am
About the Ash Lake Dragon:

I have tried using Sunlight Spear to kill it. I have also tried using sunlight spear, Chaos Storm, Gravelord Greatsword Dance, and White Dragon Breath consecutively, as someone suggested trying to mimic the defeat of the everlasting dragons form the prologue. I was wearing the Dusk Crown, using Logan's catalyst, Billowing Dragoncrest, and switched-out my rings for Princess & Sun's Firstborn to maximize damage when needed.

I also tried dressing as Gwyn and using Gwyn's Great Lord Greatsword to no avail. I fought that thing for a long time, often doing over 2,000 per bout (depleting his health bar completely) and over 50,000 damage total. He is seemingly immune to poison and toxic effects.

I have tried all the dragon weapons against him, normal and special attacks (except maybe the Dragon's Tooth).

I don't specifically remember using the Moonlight Greatsword.

About Patches:
If you kill him in the Catacombs before meeting Reah she still has the same problem in the Tomb of Giants, but she just doesn't mention Patches.

About the Tree sounds on the bridge to Sen's:
You are walking above Darkroot Garden, and some of the Treants are triggered after you cross certain points, so you are likely hearing the sound of Treants emerging from the ground and reacting to your crossing the trigger point. This happens at other points in the game, like Lower Undead Burg; the first crossbow Hollow Solider shoots at you from the other area of the Burg when you descend the stairs into the Lower Undead Burg.
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younGuns32 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
younGuns32 Dec 9, 2011 12:05 pm
On the back of the cover it says "prepare to die" Do you think its possible to complete this game without dieng once? (except from first encounter with seathe the scaleless)
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 9, 2011 12:16 pm
Ok so I am on my NG+ whatever...

I have left the fire keeper soul in the chapel.

hoping reah takes it something happens..

another idea dawned on me ... could be RIDICULOUS

but has anyone taken the pendant to snuggly
traded it for the souvenir

and tried to give it to

Anastacia of Astora after you get her soul back from Launtrecs' realm?


I know it might have been done or mentioned before.
Can't remember.
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DriftSpace re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
DriftSpace Dec 9, 2011 12:28 pm
About the stuff I posted above:
Some ideas I had were originally posted in the official (preparetodie.com) forum under the General Dark Souls Discussion forum. My post was titled "Finish the game without lighting bonfires?" and was about what it says; I had a theory that maybe truly ending the age of fire means somehow beating the game with all bonfires extinguished. Unfortunately, someone pointed-out that the Ash Lake bonfire by the dragon was pre-lit, and seemingly cannot be extinguished.

However, there was discovered in the text-dump an "extinguish fire" command. If that was left in the game and is hidden it might support my theory, but there is seemingly no way currently to extinguish the Ash Lake bonfire by the dragon.
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professorOfLies re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
professorOfLies Dec 9, 2011 12:53 pm
Is it possible to skip the first fight vs Seath?

First time through I kind of meandered through it, so I am not sure if I actually had to come out from the prison to open up the path to the crystal caves. Was that needed in order to turn the bridges?

If the bridges did need to be turned, what happens if an invader turns it for you prematurely?
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/606312-dark-souls/61298088

Tornesol Dec 9, 2011 4:46 pm
Found this! Dunno if its said here in the 347126 other posts, buuuut. anyway. Here it is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX3bIcjU0mQ
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Siahailatua re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Siahailatua Dec 9, 2011 7:20 pm
Going into ng++ now, anyone got suggestions for things to try?
Btw i ended ng bad ending, and ended ng+ good ending so now i'm hoping to be rewarded with a third option haha
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DriftSpace re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
DriftSpace Dec 9, 2011 9:15 pm
Yeah, try going straight to Sif to get the Covenant of Artorias, going to New Londo Ruins, killing Ingward, and going right for the Four Kings.

After reading the entire text dump I found dialogue which suggests Kaathe can open Sen's Fortress, and this dialogue is supported by a section from Siegmeyer where he says he "Heard a great roar..." and the gate was opened.

Also: try being in the Forest Covenant, leveling-up as much as possible, killing Quelaag, making the Chaos Blade, and talking to Shiva to see if he reacts. Maybe try at various upgrade points for the blade, and also try to buy all of his items to see if his dialogue changes.
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DriftSpace re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
DriftSpace Dec 9, 2011 9:20 pm
After reading the entire text dump there are only a few characters with dialogue I have not seen:

Kaathe (apparently opens Sen's Fortress)
Siegmeyer (confirming that Kaathe does/could open Sen's)
Oscar (dialogue mentioning Frampt and his recovery after the Asylum, among other things; there was a lot of his involvement seemingly cut from the game)

There are other small details which are foreign to me, but these are the ones which struck me as most significant. I found nothing about the pendant at all; no mention of it anywhere in any line of dialogue.
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DriftSpace re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
DriftSpace Dec 9, 2011 9:21 pm
Oh, sorry...

...and Shiva's dialogue about the Chaos Blade.
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 9, 2011 9:24 pm
I doubt they can be activated. They may simply be scrapped quest lines.

I went directly to the Four Kings on one playthrough and Kaathe did not open Sen's Fortress.
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DriftSpace re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
DriftSpace Dec 9, 2011 9:57 pm
You sure you didn't ring a bell first, Xirmi?
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glyphblade re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
glyphblade Dec 9, 2011 10:36 pm
The command extinguish bonfire is likely tied to killing the firekeeper of said bonfire..

Firelink, Chaos, Anor Londo..

so whilst not a player action, the command is in the game to activate upon killing the coresponding fire keeper.

I did have a theory as to the orders of the switches in the catacombs perhaps being tied to the statue in the back of firelink shrine..

of the 3 bridge switches and 2 door switches might move the statue...

fairly far fetched and somewhat hard to pull off


On my next playthrough I will try to engage patches in the catacombs right away.. I'm sure others have done it.. by engage I mean talk to.. I have already killed him right off the bat..

anyways.. talking to patches, go back to fire link do the bells get reah in the catacombs.. meet patches the second time and see what he says , does?

There might be a link there to him giving you the elite cleric armor..

So no to being a cleric so he doesn't aggro you, but don't forgive him.. get the twin humanity

in the catacombs, if he still kicks you in and then say no to being a cleric, so no to forgiving him.. see if he gives you a different peace offering..

many things still to try..

Not sure how kaathe would open sen's fortress before ringing the bells.. that whole thing seems very scripted in stone for the game progression..

Though from the top of sen's you can see the bell tower for the gargoyles.. and the bridge with the Helkite dragon.. and the helkite dragon is the only thing that roars..

hmm.. so does the dragon torso stone..

Full Dragon Rank 3, maxed 99 scale offered.. stand at the door of Sen's and use the dragon torso stone to Roar?


Once I get through 4 kings without getting my *** handed to me I'll be able to progress,

if anyones on 360 and around.. gimme a message glyphblade sl 120.. be warned I'm on new game 6.. so it's a bit tougher.. not impossible.. but ya..

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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 9, 2011 11:13 pm
I'm farming for Dragon Scales now. I got to rank 2 in Blade of the Darkmoon (already opened the Izalith shortcut before testing this covenant though sorry )

If I go for an NG+ and if the developers want to actually make PVP viable for Path of the Dragon I can try it out. It takes 2-5 runs of the drakes just to get one dragon scale o_o
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DriftSpace re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
DriftSpace Dec 9, 2011 11:33 pm
I don't think it's right to assume Kaathe can't roar; here's the dialogue text from the dump:

"Seek Anor Londo. And claim Gwyn's heirloom, the Lordvessel. I will open Sen's Fortress, which leads to Anor Londo.

Hraaaoogggh!Hraaaoogggh!

Now go, Undead warrior. Show the world that the truth becomes you."

That midde part probably qualifies as a roar, and when Sieglinde hears it he says:

""Splendid news, I tell you. First, I hear a great roar. And, voila! The path is open."
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DriftSpace re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
DriftSpace Dec 9, 2011 11:34 pm
Sorry, meant to type Siegmeyer in that last part...
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 10, 2011 12:02 am
Where may one obtain or find this text dump of dark souls?
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glyphblade re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
glyphblade Dec 10, 2011 1:04 am
I'm not saying Kaathe can't roar.. but there are also other roars in the game too..

as always with everything.. any rumour or idea is not dismissed.. it will all be attempted, and exhausted until either it's confirmed.. or deemed a myth / impossible..

but each idea always leads to another and yet another and so on.. think of it as a progresion..

so.. how to make Kaathe roar...

possibly by feeding / offering him 99 humanity..

others have started a new game, killed Sif, ran to new londo, killed Ingrid, got the seal key, killed 4 kings and joined the dark wraiths right off the bat..

and reported no change.. you can max humanity to kaathe for 99 humanity and you get a message pop up as well saying "Very good, you can offer no more.." or something like that..

if the bells haven't been rung.. maybe that ques his roar?
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 10, 2011 1:18 am
Worth a try. By the way, I went over to several other wikis: French, Spanish, and the Italian. I found nothing of real importance over there, however, I found this: Trade the Pendant to Snuggly for a Memorial of Retaliation. Keep it until Kaathe for hidden dialogue. Google isn't the best for translation so I think what it was was the trade off for souvenir and the rumour of hidden dialogue and the translator got messed up. I'll keep looking over there, though.

Another thing was the French wiki took me back here whenever I clicked an article. Weird.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 10, 2011 1:22 am
It's hard navigating the Japanese wiki. I have no idea where the discussion board is or if they even have one.
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 10, 2011 7:55 am
I think so. It was NG+ or ++, so I don't remember very well.

I can test again with a new character or playthrough, though beating the Four Kings with a low level character is going to be difficult.
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 10, 2011 8:04 am
Also, is anyone willing to the no bonfire run? I'm confident I can pull it off.

I just need someone to check if they can kill the Firekeeper at Firelink. I don't think I can take on the Four Kings with one Estus Flask, though humanity might help. If he she can be killed, I'll kill Lautrec and then finish her off later.
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 10, 2011 8:57 am
Anyone have the dumps on Oswald of Carim and Launtrec about Anastasa from Astora or whatevr her name is... (firelink firekeeper)

Somethings gnawing at me from the strategy guide.
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 10, 2011 9:03 am
Xirmi you must kill the everlasting dragon for no bonfires!
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ublug re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
ublug Dec 10, 2011 9:14 am
@Xirmi:
If you do the four kings after you get the Lordvessel, then you can just warp to Firelink from another bonfire before going to New Londo. But as I have said before, the bonfire by the Everlasting Dragon is also lit.
@Glyph:
"anyways.. talking to patches, go back to fire link do the bells get reah in the catacombs.. meet patches the second time and see what he says, does?"

I just did this on a low level character. I were originally only going after the Large Divine Ember, but ended up rescuing Reah as well. I have not rung any of the bells yet, but have been to the depths so they showed up at Firelink. The only bosses I have defeated are Hydra, Moonlight Butterfly, Capra Demon and Pinwheel.

Patches will only ask the 'Cleric' question the first time you meet him, he did this when I talked to him in the Catacombs. When I got back to him, he asked if the incident with the bridge had caused me any trouble. I answered 'yes', he then bribed me with one 'humanity' and told me how jolly good companions we were.

Then I went to the Depths, and Reah appeared in Firelink.

In Tomb of Giants he will greet you with, 'Well, hello again' (or something), then ask you to check out the pit, kick you down, and so on. When you talk to him again he will not ask you to forgive him, but instead if we are jolly good companions. I answered 'no' and he bribed me with a 'twin humanities'. He will also call you 'dearie' or something if you have a female character.


Found a video of the second encounter (last part):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7PrfDsG9j0
Also from the text dumps, Petrus were supposed to be trapped by one of the necromancers or the Pinwheel, so you had to rescue him. This could have been related to finding his armor.

Help me! Somebody! Help me! I am trapped! You there, please, help me... As you can see I am captured, immobilized. Soon to be a sacrifice to necromancy. I implore you... please help... Ooh... Phew... I am saved. Thank you. I owe you my life. I am Petrus of Thorolund. I will be sure to repay you, back at Firelink Shrine. Please, no, it's the least that I can do. Please, rest assured.I shall repay you, but back at Firelink Shrine. The Gods do not look favourably upon haste! Hm?

There is also this dialogue, probably if he kills you. I have let him kill me, but he had nothing to say. I have not let him kill me after he kills Reah, so it could still be in the game.

Too bad for you, I'm a wolf in sheep's clothing. Best of luck as a Hollow! Gah hah hah hah hah!

ublug Dec 10, 2011 9:27 am
I just watched the whole video, and he actually answered 'yes' to being a cleric in the Catacombs, but still got the bribe. So I guess Patches will only aggro in the Tomb of Giants, after you crawl out of the pit.
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Kamiztheman re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Kamiztheman Dec 10, 2011 9:37 am
Has anyone thought of going to look for him in the catacombs while he was gone from Firelink? I think one of my characters has Reah in Firelink right now so I may go check to see if he will be down there with her
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ublug re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
ublug Dec 10, 2011 9:44 am
That was my original plan. I entered the Catacombs after they disappeared from Firelink. Searched every part of the level, but didn't see him anywhere. I then managed to die just before reaching pinwheel (guess where!), so I respawned in Firelink and Petrus had already returned.
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 10, 2011 9:47 am
so no one has the dumps i requested?

Oswald of Carim

Launtrec of Carim

Firelink shrine Firekeeper
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anson1986 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
anson1986 Dec 10, 2011 9:50 am
something I just noticed. My friend just started his first game as a pyromancer with the master key. I never noticed this on any of my playthroughs but is that Artorias that throws the body with the key through the opening in the ceiling? I dunno if that is a new addition with the patch or if I never noticed (because on my first playthrough I didn't know his significance an on subsequent playthroughs I skip that end part of the story)...either way...if that is Artorias then he is alive while you are alive right? And it would stand to reason that he is somewhere in the undead asylum right? Or was that Oscar?
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Kamiztheman re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Kamiztheman Dec 10, 2011 9:52 am
I'm pretty sure that is Oscar who gives you the cell key.
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 10, 2011 9:54 am
one key from Oscar
one from the demon
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grizzli re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
grizzli Dec 10, 2011 10:53 am
''Invade the world of the traitor Shiva.

Invade the world of Shiva, and subdue him
to reclaim the Blade of Chaos.

But the Black Eye has lost its focus,
and its powers waver timorously.
Where could the traitor Shiva be?''

It means, that Shiva should have a sidequest like Lautrec. I think, he should be ''Satsuki of DrS''. And it automaticly explains why he is in Blighttown (he wants to find Chaos Blade) and why cat doesn't like him that much (dialogue). It's really strange. Perhaps Deadline?
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grizzli re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
grizzli Dec 10, 2011 10:57 am

''Originally a bone of an everlasting dragon.
Use to acquire a huge amount of souls,
or to create a unique weapon.''
Evalasting Dargon should be a boss too.
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 10, 2011 10:59 am
For the no bonfire run, I can rely on the Firelink bonfire until I get to Blighttown.

I wonder if I can use the Firekeeper bonfires in Anor Londo and at the Daughter of Chaos, since I can extinguish them both by killing their respective Firekeepers.

The Dragon is the only problem.

I also just finished Gwyn on NG++++, so I can try going for Sif > Four Kings immediately. I might do the Moonlight Butterfly so I have Beatrice down there, though I doubt they're strong enough in NG+++++ to tank Power Within.
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grizzli re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
grizzli Dec 10, 2011 11:09 am
''And yes, I do have the key to the seal.But before I give it up, there is something I must ask.Do you see the great hall that stands before you?Atop it, you will find a Darkwraith, a servant of the Four Kings.Show me that you can defeat it.As guardian of the seal, it behoves me to test your strength.For if you cannot defeat the Darkwraith, you will be no match for
the Four Kings.Even if Frampt has chosen you.Even if you are the bearer of the Lordvessel.Well, this is a surprise. I get few visitors, save for ghosts.You have...the Lordvessel.Oh, hello.What is it? I will help you in any way that I can.Hate to ask, really.But I am the Guardian of the Seal. I have seen too many lives
wasted over the eons.So, I had no choice but to test your mettle.You, you have defeated the Darkwraith!Very good, indeed. I can certainly trust you.This is the key to the seal.The Four Kings slumber in the deepest chamber of the ruins.Use this key to break the seal and open the floodgates....Oh, and do not forget...The Darkwraiths reside in a dark void called the Abyss.But the Abyss is no place for ordinary mortals.Although long ago, the knight Artorias traversed the Abyss.If you can find him, and learn from him, the Abyss may prove
surmountable.''
Ingward should have a small sidequest too.
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grizzli re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
grizzli Dec 10, 2011 11:12 am
''Well, you must be a new arrival.Having trouble accessing the Undead Church?Here, take this key.I won't be needing it anymore.I'm Andre, of Astora.''
Church should be closed or something like that. There should be a door, that could be opened with this key...
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 10, 2011 11:14 am
@Grizzli, the bone of the everlasting dragon quote is the description of the Iron Golem soul.
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 10, 2011 11:23 am
I'm really disappointed with this game now after hearing everything that should be in the game but doesn't seem to be. WTF.
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Kamiztheman re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Kamiztheman Dec 10, 2011 11:50 am
Don't get down. No one said its not in there. We just haven't figured out a way to get to it yet
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 10, 2011 11:59 am
I'm going to see if I can get Kaathe to activate Sen's Fortress.

Be back in a couple of hours.
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Phaedros re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Phaedros Dec 10, 2011 12:01 pm
So the game is incomplete?
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Tornesol re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Tornesol Dec 10, 2011 12:05 pm
Im with ya there Dust.. Cant find anything anymore. Feels like I have done everything up to this point now.. meh
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anson1986 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
anson1986 Dec 10, 2011 12:14 pm
@kamiztheman and @acidrabbitz I know oscar gives you the key when he gives you the estus flask. Start a new game and watch the entire cinematic up to when you start in your cell. The very last thing you see before you take control of your character is a knight who throws a body in from the ceiling. This body is the first thing you pillage and gives you the first key that releases you from your cell. Who is that that throws the body down?
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Tornesol re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Tornesol Dec 10, 2011 12:17 pm
Its Oscar. Same armor

Acid_Rabbitz Dec 10, 2011 1:04 pm
ok well i found out from descriptions.

I tried out a maxed out Dragon GreatSword on Gaping. Its really weak to it ...

Will be trying a maxed out xDragonking axe on everlasxting later.

no one has the dumps of the three npcs i asked before?
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ublug re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
ublug Dec 10, 2011 1:10 pm
@Phaedros:
The game isn't incomplete, but the dumps gives an insight into events that were scrapped or changed during development.
It was the same for Demon's Souls. Characters, weapons and events, that never made it into the final game, were found in dumped files.
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ublug re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
ublug Dec 10, 2011 1:14 pm
http://pastebin.com/79kvug8u
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 10, 2011 1:52 pm
You know what I still have this feeling that I have to believe Patches about Shiva. He's correct about everyone else he mentions...
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Tornesol re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Tornesol Dec 10, 2011 1:55 pm
agreed.. I will focus my next round on this... But still.. I actually have that feeling we are missing something.. Jesus, I'm going nuts
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Phaedros re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Phaedros Dec 10, 2011 2:00 pm
Still seems incomplete when there are multiple questlines that were scrapped not to mention the fact that Ash Lake is pretty damn pointless.
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Nchuleftingth re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Nchuleftingth Dec 10, 2011 2:17 pm
It annoys me when reading that huge text dump... The game could have gone so much further, if the story had made sense. What was FROM thinking? They did the same kinda confusing stuff in Demon's souls... The whole umbasa doesn't exist, maiden in black being the "worst demon of them all", the derps who went with Astraea to the valley of defilement... (One was Bito the Moonlit or something like that). There's all this info floating around on the web, that didn't get included in the final game(s), and it makes me damn mad.

Ash Lake is amazing. Why the fu*k would you make it so damn obselete? IT'S A LAKE, UNDER A LAKE OF POISON. HOW IS THAT NOT IMPORTANT TO THE STORY!?
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 10, 2011 2:32 pm
I'm going to try this Shiva thing.
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Razor2202 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Razor2202 Dec 10, 2011 2:39 pm
In order to help organize all of this information could we possibly make a "myths and rumors" page in the wiki? Similar to one I saw on gamefaq.

I would hook it up myself but I have never edited a wiki before, so I have no clue how to set it up...
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Phaedros re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Phaedros Dec 10, 2011 2:41 pm
Someone said they were going to make a comprehensive post in this thread. Did I miss it?
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 10, 2011 2:59 pm
This is what interests me the most as I've heard it done before. It's the good ending for Siegmeyer:

"Oh, hello, friend. ...My daughter risked life and limb, just to find me... ...to deliver her mother's last words... And the poor girl's not even Undead! Sigh... Heavens, I never asked her to do that..."

She's not even Undead!? O_o
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 10, 2011 3:11 pm
Okay, Kaathe does not open Sen's Fortress for you.

I did not ring any bells and I killed these bosses in this order:

Taurus Demon, Sif, Moonlight Butterfly and the Four Kings.

He told me to go to Anor Londo and get the Lordvessel. Now he says "To speak now is premature" all the time now.

You guys owe me internet cookies. The Four Kings on NG+++++ are freaking hard.
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 10, 2011 5:33 pm
OK I took some pics on my playthrough fof Catacombs

I have the Lv, havent talked to either serpent.

And I came across this in the Black knight room before Pinwheel

2 Rings Like the one after the Iron Golem


http://tinypic.com/r/sawlts/5
http://tinypic.com/r/20saucn/5
http://tinypic.com/r/2cqz6mp/5
http://tinypic.com/r/2cqz6mp/5
http://tinypic.com/r/sawlts/5

ok i dont know if this is just a game glitch or significant...

but I thought I would share.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 10, 2011 5:36 pm
Magic resonance. When someone uses a miracle in your vicinity it boosts the power of your mircles.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 10, 2011 6:22 pm
Here's another thing from the ext dump that interests me:

???:
He has the key. The choice is yours.
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 10, 2011 6:26 pm
The only person in the game who's key we can make a choice about is Ingward, right?
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DriftSpace re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
DriftSpace Dec 10, 2011 6:43 pm
Nice job with the Four Kings, Xirmi.

I also recently upgraded the Chaos Blade to +5 to see if Shiva said anything different, and he did not.

I am ready to believe these things were cut from the game.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 10, 2011 6:48 pm
I don't think he says anything about a choice and this is the only dialogue. If it was Ingward there should be more. Plus the name is '???'
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 10, 2011 7:05 pm
No, I didn't mean Ingward said the words.

Remember, we can choose to kill Ingward for his key early, which opens up the Darkwraith covenant and the conversations with Kaathe.

Possibly, ??? is someone who gives you a hint about that. It's probably a line that was cut out, though I wish it wasn't.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 10, 2011 7:08 pm
Ah, ok. So, it's some unnamed NPC, most likely cut, who tells you about Ingward and the key and basically says you choose how to get the key. I see now.

Xirmi Dec 10, 2011 7:20 pm
Maybe*. We don't know. I'm just speculating based on what we know.

I'm reading the dialogues now. There's a lot of interesting stuff.
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ublug re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
ublug Dec 10, 2011 9:08 pm
There were no names in the original dumps, they had a very long unbroken stream of text and data. The ones I posted have been cleaned up a bit, and divided into sections for each npc. The text is still in the same order as the original dumps, and some parts could theoretically belong to the npc above or below.
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 10, 2011 9:32 pm
So no dumps with info on Thief Pygmy?
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JohnnyHarpoon re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
JohnnyHarpoon Dec 11, 2011 1:23 am
@Xirmi How do you get out of The Abyss without the Lordvessel? Just curious...
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 11, 2011 1:29 am
The bonfire even without the lord vessel in the Abyss allows you to warp out to any other bonfires you've activated that you can warp to. (Firelink shrine, Sunlight Altar, etc).
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JohnnyHarpoon re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
JohnnyHarpoon Dec 11, 2011 2:34 am
Ah, I was hoping it'd be cooler.
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Bighatlogan999 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Bighatlogan999 Dec 11, 2011 7:27 am
I just did a sif>4 kings run ( i even went the long way round the darkroot to avoid using the seal for the door to the forest), and fed 100 humanity to kaathe to get the well done message, and nothing...
I am disappoint
2 more ideas:
Only the covenant related items are not useable, and the pendant. I still think the "way of white" +3 i saw in the dump and the pendant are related, and you can level the covenant somehow. There is a chance of some event triggering if you stay inactive in a particular spot (maybe with white seance ring equipped?) since this is a mechanic already implemented in 2 different places in the game. Maybe near some statue?
Does anyone remember the locations we obtain dark, white seance and firstborn rings? One of those is obtained just next to the disappearing statue, maybe other locations are also somehow special?
Last theory, which has been discussed, is joining all covenants in a particular order (and maybe leveling them up)
I have a quick q:
When you revive anastasia firekeeper, at some point she says "so u decided to link the fire". Is the dialogue different if you side with kaathe?
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JohnnyHarpoon re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
JohnnyHarpoon Dec 11, 2011 7:34 am
@Bighat Darkmoon Seance Ring is in the Catacombs, behind the secret crumbling wall (where the Giant Skeleton falls). White is in Duke's Archives along with the Maiden's Robes (from the big door entrance, walk to the side instead of going down the ladder). Firstborn is in Darkmoon Tomb, next to the disappearing statue.

In terms of Anastasia, I'm preeettty sure she says the same thing no matter what. I've sided with Kaathe every time except my first, and I've never heard her say anything different.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 11, 2011 10:48 am
The Darkmoon Seance is used to get to Gwndolin, right? So, in theory White Seance and Firstborn should lead somewhere. They're worthless besides extra attunement slots and even then that's not all that good.

I have a theory of the Firstborn. I think the Sunlight Altar is the remains of a statue of Gwyn's firstborn and maybe the Firstborn Ring is just another way to get into the Covenant without having 25 faith or being summoned multiple times.
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Siahailatua re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Siahailatua Dec 11, 2011 11:48 am
Maybe THE statue isnt broken anymore with the rings and certain ranks in the sunbro cov and we might also need an alive solaire at endgame.

Speculations..speculations..sigh
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 11, 2011 11:55 am
In the Ornstein and Smough chamber, there's a statue missing. There's Gwyn in the middle, Gwynvere to the right, but the pedestal on the left has no statue. Any ideas?
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 11, 2011 12:22 pm
There's also a statue in Anor Londo wearing anklets and bracelets that are not stone.

So far that is the onlystatue Ive seen that differs from any others.


again -speculations-
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Siahailatua re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Siahailatua Dec 11, 2011 1:02 pm
Lets just keep a From developer at gunpoint, that'l speed things up
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 11, 2011 1:17 pm
The statue in O&S room that is missing is Gwyndolin's statue. Due to a back story I can't remember they destroyed every statue of Gwyndolin that was in Anor Londo.
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 11, 2011 1:47 pm
then who's statue is in the Ariamis room?
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glyphblade re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
glyphblade Dec 11, 2011 2:56 pm
I fed all the boss souls to Frampts, and went down to the lord vessel room and no change in the pots.
I had all the boss souls on me, went to the lord vessel room and also no change

still working on some other theories...
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inksoldier re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
inksoldier Dec 11, 2011 4:35 pm
@Bighatlogan999

Anastasia the firekeeper doesn't say anything different when you side with Kaathe. In my last playthrough, I sided with Kaathe and she still said "So you decided to link the fire.."
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BoydH re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
BoydH Dec 11, 2011 8:00 pm
Well, after reading most of the 42 pages of this topic, I thought it was time for me to register and become a part of this website I too think there are more secrets in the game and I am keen to find out.
Honestly, the things some of you (especially glyphblade) have tried made me wonder if I can actually be of any help, but I do had a thought about the cracked stone in the fire centipede's battle room. It immediatly reminded me of the description of Leo's ring , about how it made him splice a boulder in two with his spear. I didn't have his spear to try it out, since I killed Smough twice in stead of Ornstein, and other spears didn't do anything, but if no one has tried this yet, maybe someone can and will?
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 11, 2011 8:04 pm
@Dust: Okay. There seems to be no love for Solaire (assuming he was the war god) in Anor Londo. Not a single statue of him.

@glyph: I tried that as well. I still have extra boss souls lying around for further tests if anyone has any ideas. (All of them, I think.)

On another note, I tried fighting Quelaag using the Old Witch Ring. I saw the text dump for her, so I thought she might say something.
But I screwed up. I forgot to equip it before the fight and switched it during the fight. I used a Homeward Miracle to get back and try and get the cutscene again, but you only get it once. Anyone tested this?

I also saved Reah from the Tomb of Giants pretty early. The Crestfallen Warrior said something about her being in the church. (I never noticed him saying that, because I usually save her after he hollows). She disappearing without dropping anything, and I never had the conversation with Petrus about him killing her or realizing she was in the church.

One final thing. Again, I checked Firelink Shrine after every boss fight since I freed Lautrec. At one point, he disappears. This is the second playthrough I noticed this. Any idea where he goes?
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 11, 2011 8:10 pm
@BoydH: Welcome to thread We pretty much try everything we can think of here. I joined because of this thread too.

I have a fully upgraded Dragonslayer Spear, so I'll give it a try as soon as I'm down in the demon Ruins. I'll wear Ornstein's armor and the Leo Ring too. Just to be safe.

Phaedros Dec 11, 2011 8:19 pm
Was there an example of a secret being discovered in demon's souls months later?
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Razor2202 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Razor2202 Dec 11, 2011 8:24 pm
@xirimi I have noticed that Lautrec disappears any time you head up to the church.

@boydh I believe I tried smashing the centipede demons wall with O's Spear but I think mine was +0 and I was not wearing the armor, nor the ring.
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BoydH re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
BoydH Dec 11, 2011 8:55 pm
@ Phaedros

Good question. And in addition, were those secrets listed in Atlus' official guide?
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JohnnyHarpoon re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
JohnnyHarpoon Dec 11, 2011 8:58 pm
@Boyd

...if they were listed in the guide, wouldn't they have been discovered sooner than months later?

Unless the guide was released late. I never even knew there was one so I could just be misinformed...I didn't even buy Demon's Souls 'til Gamespot gave it #1.
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 11, 2011 9:07 pm
Can someone try a playthrough
keeping all the embers and not handing them to any smiths?
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BoydH re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
BoydH Dec 11, 2011 9:08 pm
Do'h, I guess you're right.

I didn't know about the guide until 15 minutes ago when I google'd it, but I sure didn't know about the guide when the game released. So maybe it was released later.

I do have the Dark Souls guide, and a part of me can't stop thinking that if if there is more in this game, why isn't it in the guide? Still, the mistery is part of the exitement.
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BoydH re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
BoydH Dec 11, 2011 9:10 pm
Is there an edit function btw?

@ Acid_Rabbitz

I do know you'll lose the embers if you start a new game, but I haven't tried it with all the embers.
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Noctes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Noctes Dec 11, 2011 9:24 pm
The strategy guide for Demon's Souls was released with the game and given to people for free who pre-ordered it, and bought it within a couple weeks or so of release.

Im actually really surprised some people had no idea a guide even existed. Games nowadays (matter of fact, when did they ever??) dont release including the strategy guide and as the special collector's edition every day. It's not exactly common thing to easily forget about.
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BoydH re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
BoydH Dec 11, 2011 9:48 pm
Well, the European version had a mini guide with the special edition, but it was made in partnership with wikidot, so I never thought about there being a official guide.
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HolyPK9 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
HolyPK9 Dec 11, 2011 9:51 pm
Did the euro version have one? I had a download thing where i could get a digital copy of part of the guide which covered about 2 hours or so...
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GallianPride re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
GallianPride Dec 11, 2011 10:27 pm
Hello, im new here. Im also performing my own form of searching. Most of it has been discussed here and some have been suggested already. So far, I havnt found a thing or really any clues. However I would like to post this that I found that might peak curiosity.

http://www.ign.com/wikis/dark-souls/Character_Creation

If you scroll down the page and look at the starting gift page, the article mentions this for the pendant:

''Trinket. No effect, but fond memories comfort travelers. (Wearer can talk to Pygmy.) Recommended first gift by game director.''

The sentence ''Wearer can talk to the Pygmy.'' interests me since most people believe that your character is the pygmy. I dont know if this has been posted before, sorry if it is. >.<
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Noctes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Noctes Dec 11, 2011 10:30 pm
Hmmm...I've never seen that description before...

I believe this little tidbit is indeed news to most if not all of us.
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HolyPK9 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
HolyPK9 Dec 11, 2011 10:32 pm
Iv seen this before but i presumed that everyone knew about it before... its kinda interesting but since noone has found the pygmy???
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Carphil07 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Carphil07 Dec 11, 2011 10:36 pm
Im helping this topic reach 1000 replies
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Noctes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Noctes Dec 11, 2011 10:36 pm
Yeah I'm pretty sure no one has found or heard of/from the Pygmy yet, outside of Kaathe's dialogue...
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HolyPK9 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
HolyPK9 Dec 11, 2011 10:37 pm
and from what Kaathe said, made me think that the Pygmy was long gone...
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GallianPride re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
GallianPride Dec 11, 2011 10:42 pm
Well I never played Demon Souls, but the Pygmy was the guy with the big yellow hat that sat on his throne correct?

Do you think the pendant might have something to do with Xanthous King, Jeremiah who invades you in the Painted World of Ariamis?
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Noctes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Noctes Dec 11, 2011 10:51 pm
Wha?? No no, that's just the Old Monk. I don't think the lore of Demon's Souls is related in any way to that in Dark Souls.

The only connection I can see being a possibility is the "Land of the Giants" 5th (or 6th? I cant remember) Archstone that was broken and unusable from the start of the game being none other than Lordran, where during the Age of Fire, the land's inhabitants were indeed larger than normal humans. Look at the size of all of the enemies and such that were from that time. The Black and Silver Knights, Ornstein and Smough, Gwyn, Gwyndolin, Gwynevere, the Channelers, the Darkwraiths...
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GallianPride re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
GallianPride Dec 11, 2011 10:53 pm
Ah I see, my apologies. Ill continue my search.
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Noctes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Noctes Dec 11, 2011 11:02 pm
No need to apologize.

I do admit though that King Jeremiah has an obvious and uncanny resemblance to the Old Monk, what with that odd...um.. headwrap.

GallianPride Dec 11, 2011 11:05 pm
I dont know if this was mentioned or done, but another thing that ive wanted to do was drop the pendant next to NPC's that have gone hollow. If that doesnt work, then maybe play with the Darksign that you always start with.
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Noctes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Noctes Dec 11, 2011 11:12 pm
I know glyphblade (creator of the thread and main tester of these theories) has tried dropping the pendant in front of most if not all NPC's, including Reah and Solaire once they go Hollow/Batshit.

And as far as I know, the Darksign is just an emergency insta-kill, in case you're stuck somewhere and you need to go back to a bonfire. But It could have a use. We were thinking if you died in a specific place in the world, instead of going to the last bonfire you rested at, you would instead be transported to another area, like in the case of the first Seath fight.
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nosmokingbandit re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
nosmokingbandit Dec 11, 2011 11:14 pm
Noctes:
If thats the next thing to explore, we should compile a list of the places a player is least likely to die in normal play and start using the darksign in those locations.
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GallianPride re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
GallianPride Dec 11, 2011 11:15 pm
Im out of ideas since they have already been done then lol. Worst case scenario, it was cut out from the game like other events and the developer is simply trolling or even he doesnt know whats in the final game.
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Noctes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Noctes Dec 11, 2011 11:16 pm
The thing about the Darksign though, when you use it and die, it supposedly DOES NOT leave behind a bloodstain, yet you lose your souls and humanity all the same.

Just a word of caution.
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 11, 2011 11:31 pm
Has anyone tried using all the boss souls on themselves and all firekeepers souls

then DarkSigned??

crazy idea


has anyone tried facing Four Kings in Full Cinder Gear?

Maybe Recharge the armor lol ... since they are part of him in a way


this is just speculative thoughts
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 12, 2011 5:02 am
I have never seen "Wearer can talk to pygmy" in the item description. It was likely added there by someone in the IGN wiki.
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Scrufffy re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Scrufffy Dec 12, 2011 5:18 am
I think it's fairly safe to assume there is still atleast one secret in-game that hasn't been found. Likely a big one. It obviously wouldn't be something like a rare weapon, pyromancy, miracle, or Sorcery, since Trophy's/Achievements for having all of them already unlock without it. But something like a special boss or secret NCP are easily possible. Look how many illusionary walls or other things are hidden about, chances are others still remain to be seen. It's just going to be a pain finding them, probably requiring some specific action or chain of actions noone would ever think to do. I enjoy searching for these type of things though, so I'll post any findings I stumble upon (no promises I'll actually stumble upon anything though o -o). Anyways, to wrap this longer than necessary post up, just remember: Try the unexpected and/or seemingly fatal.
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Adrikekz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Adrikekz Dec 12, 2011 5:29 am
Question; Is there a secret illusionary wall in the church? Every time I get there, there is a user sign with "illusionary wall" to the left corner of where Reah is praying.
And the sign always have atleast 10 ratings.
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Scrufffy re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Scrufffy Dec 12, 2011 5:37 am
I've found messages with no point to them but with massive ratings, like one near the first bonfire under the bridge with the hellkite that was a mere "I can't take this." Rated: 11, I rated it to 12 and went on just for the lol. I doubt it's there. Anyways, I'm off to explore the bounding demon infested massive lava area of Lost Izalith now.
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Adrikekz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Adrikekz Dec 12, 2011 6:42 am
Yeah, scruffy, but those are random msg's. This one tends to appear at the same spot every time. Most likely nothing, but it got me wondering.

Has anyone tried using the different kinds of pyromancies on the door behind the Centipede? The chaos pyromancies claim to melt stone etc. I was just thinking, what if they somehow melt the doorway?

Also, everybody is leaning towards the 9 cups, and the 9 souls. But over the 9 cups, there seems to be a larger cup. What if that cup is meant for Gwyns soul, and we are in fact missing a "normal" boss soul? I mean, Gwyns soul looks different from all the other souls in the inventory.
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ublug re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
ublug Dec 12, 2011 9:33 am
There were no 'big' secrets uncovered in demons souls. The ones that were found after a long time were game mechanics related. Two I remember:

The filthy woman merchant had a new ephemeral eyestone for sale every time you died, which made them unlimited.
The Demonbrandt had increased attack against demons (bosses), even against the maiden in black.

Some substantial mysteries from dark souls:

There are two missing armor sets. These are actually used by the npc's in the game, but there's no known way to acquire them:
Rickert's Mage Smith Coat: Coat worn by proper mage smiths who studied at Vinheim Dragon School. Mage smiths learn their craft alongside sorcerers, but apply their sorcery to forging weapons with magic embers.
Petrus' Elite Cleric Armor: Armor worn by the warrior clerics of the Way of White, who are famous for being unyielding in battle. Among such armors, those that were black belonged to warrior clerics sent on missions, many of whom were high-level priests.
And about secret bosses. There's a list of bosses and phantom npc's in the game dumps. It comprises all the known bosses and npc's. This includes end level bosses (not unnamed mini bosses like hydra) and npc's (summons and invaders), but there's one last unknown at the end of the list: Gravelord Servant.

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Noctes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Noctes Dec 12, 2011 9:38 am
...Isnt Gravelord Servant just the name of the Gravelord covenant? Or does it appear within the designated "boss names" list?
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Cloudrunner re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Cloudrunner Dec 12, 2011 10:21 am
Acid_Rabbitz recently posted these screens:

http://tinypic.com/r/sawlts/5
http://tinypic.com/r/20saucn/5
http://tinypic.com/r/2cqz6mp/5
http://tinypic.com/r/2cqz6mp/5
http://tinypic.com/r/sawlts/5

I have those same exact rings in my game, in the same spot every playthrough (before the pinwheel skeletons in the catacombs). I know the represent miracle resonance, but why are they always in that same spot? Maybe someone should try the white seance/firstborn rings there, or use miracles in that area.
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 12, 2011 10:30 am
I Agreeim beginning to think theres more to those Rings than meets the eye...

but since Im not a miracle class i cant try it out
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 12, 2011 10:33 am
Has anyone even tried Seek guidance in between them?
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Cloudrunner re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Cloudrunner Dec 12, 2011 10:43 am
I won't be able to until I get home. Seek Guidance is a good idea. I'd also like to try equipping the white seance ring, as well as the princess guard miracles...though I almost wonder if it would have something to do with the Way of the White.
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Cloudrunner re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Cloudrunner Dec 12, 2011 10:46 am
Actually Seek Guidance may be something to look into in other areas too. The wiki description says:

"The Seek Guidance miracle allows the player to see more messages on the ground as well as their positive and negative ratings. Additional developer messages, providing hints, can also be seen in some areas."

Has anyone tried using seek guidance in some of these spots they've been testing? Like the stone doors where the centipede demon is?
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Scrufffy re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Scrufffy Dec 12, 2011 11:12 am
I beleive someone on an earlier page here claimed to have gone through most of the maps with it active in all locations and only found some pointing towards things we already knew about. IE: Logan in Sen's Fortress.
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 12, 2011 11:33 am
I think the Gravelord Servants are the pyromancer/necromancers in the Catacombs. I heard someone refer to them this way.

Is there a substitute for them?

Scrufffy Dec 12, 2011 11:41 am
I had another thought after going through this last night that I didn't remember to post until now. What about the path in blighttown just past the fog wall. The one in the circular shaft similar to the one you start out climbing down in. The Path is a bit below the fog wall I think, and it's a path that allows you to cross completely to the other side, along thin wooden beams, but ultimately leads to nowhere and nothing, just always stood out to me as a potential secret access way to something. o -o
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Razor2202 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Razor2202 Dec 12, 2011 11:49 am
RE: seek guidance. Yes. A poster claimed to have completed entire playthrough with seek guidance active. I believe it was glyph. He had also run the game with the white seance ring in as well.
I've been running with it on for most of my current playthrough as well.

RE: the resonance rings. They DO look like the symbol for the way of the white. So that could be something. I think an easy test to see if they are unique is to start up in offline mode and see if they are still there. If the appear offline that would warrant further investigation.

For those of you who have never used a resonance ring: the proper spell to cast that will trigger the resonance bonus will have a white ring over its icon in your equipped spell UI area. So maybe see what spell it's looking for you to cast.

I am lvling my faith, but I'm only at 12 atm...
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 12, 2011 12:04 pm
I suggest using the Miracle Synergy Ring as well @CloudRunner

Since these are rings and the synergy ring puts a ring on your miracles.
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Scrufffy re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Scrufffy Dec 12, 2011 12:04 pm
I think those might just be regular resonance rings, I've seen them there only about half the time I go there. If I recall correctly, they are usually for Healing miracles, which would make sense, since people might want to make sure they heal back to full Health before pulling any bonewheels to fight.
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 12, 2011 12:06 pm
@scruffy then where else have those rings appeared?

I have only seen them there only... which is odd.

and Why 2?

One infront of each coffin
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BoydH re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
BoydH Dec 12, 2011 12:09 pm
After googling 'Miracle Synergy' I stumbled upon a Reddit thread where they are talking about the same synergy rings in the Catacombs.

http://www.reddit.com/r/darksouls/comments/mn0d5/dark_souls_white_ring_miracle_synergies_i_think/

Reading it now, hoping it can shed some light on the situation.
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Scrufffy re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Scrufffy Dec 12, 2011 12:10 pm
It's still something to look into, I was just throwing that out there. I also want to know, do Resonance spots has predetermined spawn locations, like Vagrant enemies do?
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Cloudrunner re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Cloudrunner Dec 12, 2011 12:10 pm
Yeah but I could think of plenty of other areas in Dark Souls where I'd like a heal boost too. The fact that there are 2 there, in the same spot for many (all?) players (though apparently not all the time), might make them more significant.

@Scruffy: If it was the first area of the game, I could believe they would just be there to help (and to teach you about resonances), but the catacombs is hardly a place to visit first. Also, is there actual confirmation about which miracles they boost? Has anyone tested that?
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Scrufffy re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Scrufffy Dec 12, 2011 12:12 pm
I'll go test it there in a few, I need to go re-grab the Rite of Kindling this playthrough anyways. I'll post back after I check.
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 12, 2011 12:21 pm
Tonight Im making a Thief Pygmy char ..
with Pendant..and have some fun xD
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BoydH re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
BoydH Dec 12, 2011 12:21 pm
So the white rings in the Catacombs can boost your miracles permanently when you have the Boost Miracle Synergy ring equipped. Everytime you equip the ring again your miracles will glow, as if you're standing near a resonance ring (according to the findings of Zysecuh, a member of Reddit).

To bad the topic hasn't been updated yet, they were trying to make the Boost Miracle Synergy boost all miracles. Hope I made myself clear, otherwise, read my above link.
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 12, 2011 12:24 pm
Someone asked to me to see if that door in the Centipede Room can be opened with a Dragonslayer Spear +5. As expected, it doesn't do anything. I equipped the Leo Ring and Orstein's Armor as well and tried all of its attacks.
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Cloudrunner re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Cloudrunner Dec 12, 2011 12:26 pm
It sounds like there are at least 3 developer-placed rings that give these perma-boosts. Right now it sounds like they're trying to find one for each miracle type. I like their notion that this may have something to do with the Way of the White covenant.
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 12, 2011 12:26 pm
some Pygmy info I found:

Rumor has it that the Furtive Pygmy is the origin of all life. He had provided the three other lords, Gwyn, the Witch of Izalith, and Nito, their own flames, and helped bring down the dragons. Out of guilt, he had chosen to forget everything he knew, to be forgotten, and subject himself to the wills of the other lords.

It's been said that the Furtive Pygmy was the original holder of the First Flame, and the four Lord Flames.

Also give a kind of insight on who's pendant it actually is.

I find this a great bit of info .. in a way
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 12, 2011 12:30 pm
Does it have a source? Any items that are linked to it, for example?
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Scrufffy re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Scrufffy Dec 12, 2011 12:31 pm
The Rings in the catacombs don't appear offline, or atleast they didn't for me, with or without the ring.
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glyphblade re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
glyphblade Dec 12, 2011 12:46 pm
The ring of the sun princess buffs your faith based spells as if you had miracle synergy.

The resonance rings will not permanent buff any spell, equipping the sun princess ring does give you the buff and if your beside a resonance ring, you get another buff I think ..
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Scrufffy re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Scrufffy Dec 12, 2011 12:47 pm
Just noticed something weird. I went back to check out sen's. And upon approaching the gate I could hear boulders rolling already. When I took the shortcut to the roof however, the respawning Giant who drops them was absent, but the sounds of them rolling could still be heard very noticably from around the area where he stood. o.o
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Scrufffy re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Scrufffy Dec 12, 2011 12:50 pm
Disregard that, upon jumping to his spawn location, a boulder fell into the hole from nowhere, then a few seconds later, he randomly spawned practically on top of me.
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BoydH re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
BoydH Dec 12, 2011 12:51 pm
@Scrufffy

I had that too. I always killed the ball dropping Giant whenever I visited the merchant in Sen's, and one day he was just.. gone.. Still heard the ball dropping sounds though.

A few days later he had returned and now he respawns just like he used to.

professorOfLies Dec 12, 2011 12:53 pm
I was at the bridge right before firesage last night. you can clearly see where you fight the Centipede demon from up there. I could make out the cave and see the door that people are theorizing about. However, the door wasn't rendering. I could clearly see whats behind the door, and its just more rock. That door may just be for looks.
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Cloudrunner re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Cloudrunner Dec 12, 2011 12:53 pm
Probably just a glitch
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Scrufffy re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Scrufffy Dec 12, 2011 12:55 pm
Also: I tried using Ornstien's "Boulder-splitting" spear on the leftover boulders with Leo Ring Equipped, no change
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Baal-Avatar re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Baal-Avatar Dec 12, 2011 1:02 pm
Well, after reading all of this, I think I will try a pendant run to see if I come across anything.

This is probably not a good idea… and someone probably has already tried, but what if you kill all of the way of the white guys when they are at Firelink Shrine and not Kill Rhea? I am assuming she would just be aggro towards you, but those guys are d-bags anyway. And she would not go to the catacombs...maybe.

Also, seeing how the shrine is called Firelink. What if you allow the fire keeper to be killed and then use the soul on something else?
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professorOfLies re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
professorOfLies Dec 12, 2011 1:08 pm
looking at the machinery in the archives. It really looks like someone (developers) went out of their way to make that look broken.
That said, has anyone tried the bone-wheel shield on the machinery to see if they can get it to move at all? I didn't have one on that last character so I couldn't test.
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old__red re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
old__red Dec 12, 2011 1:22 pm
the furtive pygmy, so easily forgotten. pygmy, pygmy, pygmy...

so funny that this whole pendant thing started with theories about the pygmy, now we're back full circle. where did ign get that talk to pygmy stuff from? it's not come from anywhere else.

ahhhh...pygmy.
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Baal-Avatar re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Baal-Avatar Dec 12, 2011 1:34 pm
I have always had a feeling the statues of mother and child that are everywhere are a sign of the pygmy. Since we are all descendants of the pygmy (I think), he/she brought about life of man. It seems like every major location has a statue even Firelink shrine. It is one of the first things you see. Also, the base of the missing statue in Anor Londo has the same base as the statue sometimes.

I may try somethings with this on my run. I think I remember others already trying though.
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 12, 2011 1:50 pm
I don't think the Pygmy predated Gwyn and the others. Remember, the church (Way of the White) hunts undead and puts them in asylums. That church is directed by Gwyn's uncle, Lloyd (and perhaps Gwyndolin). The undead and the Darksign are the result of something the Pygmy did. Some theorize (based on Kaathe's words), that the Pygmy's Dark Soul grew stronger while the others weakened. Another possibility is that he waited and preserved its power to enable the age of men, while Gwyn and the others became gods and did what they did. If the Pygmy predated them and was the origin of all life, he wouldn't have had to hide his soul and wait for the Age of Fire to end before the Age of Men could begin.
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Baal-Avatar re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Baal-Avatar Dec 12, 2011 2:15 pm
I was not under the impression that he predated the others also and that he received his around the same time as the others. I was assuming the flame was similar to the flame of life or soul. The opening cinematic shows the undead rising from the flames before it mentions Gwyn and the others. So I always thought the original “men” were the undead. Then a few got a stronger flame that made them gods.

This is just what I got out of the scenes I have seen. I could be completely wrong.
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 12, 2011 2:15 pm
I do not believe Gwyn and the others were Gods. The trailer shows many pygmy-like beings approaching the flame. The trailer also shows that that daughters of the Witch of Izalith were much smaller than she was and they did not have special souls. (Quelana being a good example.)

Solaire (assuming he is Gwyn's firstborn) is also normal-sized without a special soul (that was presumably taken from him).

Gwyndolin has a special soul, but he is relatively small. Gwynvere is an illusion, so I suspect Gwyndolin made her bigger than life to impress anyone who met her.

Furthermore, we know that receiving souls makes one stronger or special.

The Four Kings and Seath got their souls directly from Gwyn.

The Iron Golem was also given a soul as it an artificial construct.

The Moonlight Butterfly was Seath's creation.

Sif, Ornstein and Smough were likely important in some way in the hierarchy, hence, I assume they received powerful souls.

Quelaag has a boss soul as well. Quelana does not, but Quelaag, who was mutated by the Bed of Chaos, does. The Bed of Chaos creates demons, presumably by giving away some of its power. (Some demons, such as the Firesage, predated it, hence they don't have special souls.)

If Solaire's special soul was taken away from him and he became normal, it means the souls can also be given.

One last point: The Greatlord Greatsword specifically says that Gwyn gave them his power.

Gwyn probably shared his power a lot more, as there are a number of other known gods. Gwyn had human friends, such as Havel, who hollowed, which implies he wasn't simply a being from a godlike race in the beginning and that he fraternized with humans at some point.

That's just my theory, based on the trailer and descriptions and stuff we see in the game.
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 12, 2011 2:28 pm
The strategy guide also explains Velka of Carim as a type of covenant...

which is odd ...
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 12, 2011 3:13 pm
Velka is the Goddess of Sin. Her covenant might refer to the Pardoners who follow her, like Oswald.

I think it's a sub-division of the Way of the White, since Oswald of Carim considers you a friend if you are part of the Way of the White.
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Scrufffy re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Scrufffy Dec 12, 2011 4:31 pm
Something else I've wondered about, is why the "Tomb of the Gravelord" is a warpable location. After all, the bonfire isn't there until after you kill Nito, therefore making the room empty of all use, meaning warping there is pointless. So why leave it as a warpable location then? o:
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 12, 2011 4:36 pm
There is the Paladin Set if you happen to kill Leeroy.
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BoydH re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
BoydH Dec 12, 2011 4:37 pm
You can use it as a shortcut to get into the Catacombs quickly, warp to the Tomb and use the coffin.

But I will take a look there again tonight, if I'm not to busy playing Thief.
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ThatGuy1337 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
ThatGuy1337 Dec 12, 2011 4:40 pm
@Scruffy
My guess is that so people can get Leroy's gear (if they missed it) without the trouble of traversing the whole area again.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 12, 2011 4:45 pm
I made a new character, Wanderer with the Pendant, to test the Chaos blade and the Pendant.

I tried talking to Shiva before and after Quelaag. I wanted to get him to say why is down there or to at least say, "I can't find it."
No luck.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 12, 2011 5:05 pm
My next course of action is to upgrade Iiato to the Chaos Blade and do some tests with the Pendant in Nito's tomb.
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 12, 2011 5:17 pm
While I was researching my above text-wall, I noticed that the Bed of Chaos isn't the origin of all the demons.

titanite Demons are unrelated to the Bed of Chaos. They originated from titanite slabs and a blacksmith deity. (Haven't found any details.)

The Demon Firesage (as described by the Demon's Catalyst) was the first demon and the master of the original pyromancy, which was cast by a catalyst (Izalith Catalyst). After the Bed of Chaos, this fire magic was lost and pyromancy was created.
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glyphblade re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
glyphblade Dec 12, 2011 5:35 pm
If you warp into the gravelord room, or after killing Nito

there was no other way out of the room.

The coffin nestle thing only works if you do it to get into to Nito's realm..

after killing Nito.. the coffin won't be there.. hence the bonfire as it would be only guarantee'd way out...

consider it the game designers making it a way out so no one can get trapped..


before killing Nito, and after killing Nito you can go to the alter via the nestle in the coffin trick. can be done while human and also undead.

Before killing Nito the covenant options are normal.. after killing Nito, you will maintain your gravelord covenant status, you just cannot progress in rank.

All of the daughters of chaos and the witch were mutated by the bed of chaos save 1 - Quelaan.. who you meet in the swamp.

The firesage demon was the first demon born from the bed of chaos, it does not predate it.. read the discription of the demon catalyst... and all other demons exist as a result, Asylum demon, stray demon, Taurus demons, Capra demons, Tenticle demons, rock fire demons.. all born from the bed of chaos


Lloyd is the founder and head bishop of the way of the white. Havel is also a bishop of the way of the white

Gwynevere does really exist, she just moved away a long time ago.. the illusion may or may not be her real size.


as far as the pygmy and the pendant..lets just assume they are related.. but likely not.. we won't know for sure til we find out...

Drethan Dec 12, 2011 5:39 pm
Fire magics being cast from catalysts? That reminds me of old days.. and moving firestorms.
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 12, 2011 5:44 pm
The Demon's Catalyst actually says he was the first demon and the last master of the of the original fire arts "BEFORE" the Witch was engulfed by the Flame of Chaos, creating pyromancy.

How could he have been the last master before that unless he predated the Bed of Chaos?
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Cloudrunner re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Cloudrunner Dec 12, 2011 6:12 pm
I always thought the witch made the bed of chaos and THEN was consumed by it. That could imply there was a period of time from its creation (and it spawning demons) to where the witch failed to control it and was consumed.
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4.Itchy.Tasty. re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
4.Itchy.Tasty. Dec 12, 2011 6:14 pm
I disagree that Gwyndolin's true form was the one that we fought. After you defeat him you enter into an area that has to be his personal chamber.

Notice the size of the bed its an appropriate size for someone the same size as Gwynvere. I find it to be improbable that a being the size of the Gwyndolin that we fought would use a be that big.

He must have used some kind of magic to make himself smaller for the fight, the same way that he uses magic to make his hallway appear never ending.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 12, 2011 6:49 pm
That's a tomb.
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JohnnyHarpoon re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
JohnnyHarpoon Dec 12, 2011 6:54 pm
I don't know...I'm starting to think we sorta found everything.

I think the Pendant is merely a hint that 'good' is not necessarily 'good' in the game. You trade it to Snuggly for the Souvenir, which signifies the vengeance you, as a human, ought to seek against Gwyn and the other proprietors of the Undead Curse, who survive merely by feeding off your Humanity that they convince you to willingly give up. Also, Humanity is the Pygmy's 'Dark Soul' (if you look at it, it literally looks like a Boss Soul, just black), hence he is the progenitor of Humans and lord of 'the Dark'. The Gods feared this Dark Soul, and devised a way to get humans to willingly sacrifice it.

Lloyd wrangles 'em up, Gwyn sends them on an 'impossible' mission, where they will undoubtedly feed their humanity in exchange for 'life-giving' estus (now, that's Undead life, not Human life - but this explains why consuming a Humanity AND drinking Estus both refill your health).

I dunno, I guess there's nothing here we don't already know. But I just feel like it's one giant well-oiled-machine that's meant to seem like it's not, and we've uncovered all the pieces already. I'd love to be proven wrong, don't misunderstand me.

Perhaps a no Bonfire run would yield something...wasn't somebody going to do that? I'd give it a shot if nobody else is up for it...but it'll be a little while before I can get on it.
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Cloudrunner re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Cloudrunner Dec 12, 2011 6:59 pm
The room behind Gwyndolin is Gwyn's tomb. It was meant to hide the fact that Gwyn sacrificed his power to rekindle the fire. It was probably better for people to believe that he had just died, rather than think that the power of the flame was dying.
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Cloudrunner re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Cloudrunner Dec 12, 2011 7:00 pm
Well, that's kinda speculation, but he DOES say something along the lines of "How dare you tread upon my father's tomb?"
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 12, 2011 7:03 pm
@Johnny

A no bonfire run is impossible because you cannot kill the Everlasting dragon to extinguish his bonfire.
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Cloudrunner re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Cloudrunner Dec 12, 2011 7:03 pm
Oh, and @Johnny:

From what you're saying, I would say Estus is the problem. Maybe what someone needs to do is a no estus run. Just survive by eating humanity.
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 12, 2011 7:03 pm
That's Gwyn's tomb, actually.

I suspect it's big simply for show, because we know how big Gwyn was. Gwyn instructed his children to shepherd the humans and gave his children his power before setting of to link the first flame. What he did then was a sacrifice which equated to death for them, hence, they made a tomb for him.

@Cloud: That's a possibility.

The Witch of Izalith didn't create the Bed of Chaos. She tried to create her own version of the First Flame and instead created the Flame of Chaos. She failed to control the flame, which engulfed transformed her into the Bed of Chaos, which in turn, spawns demons.

This is what I can understand from the Demon's Catalyst and the Lord Soul of the Bed of Chaos.
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4.Itchy.Tasty. re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
4.Itchy.Tasty. Dec 12, 2011 7:04 pm
Ooooh. That makes sense. I've only fought him once so that would explain why I forgot that tidbit.
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Cloudrunner re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Cloudrunner Dec 12, 2011 7:04 pm
AND ANOTHER THING!

Why is the everlasting dragon keeping a fire? Fire isn't something they need, it was used by the gods to destroy them. Why would the dragon want to keep such a thing lit? Unless the dragon isn't the actual fire keeper...
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 12, 2011 7:09 pm
lol made the pygmy is the real bonfire keeper of Ash Lake.
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Cloudrunner re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Cloudrunner Dec 12, 2011 7:14 pm
Yeah and the only way to reach him is to spare Sif, so that later on he'll be in Ash Lake and take you to Artorias, who high fives you all the way to the side of Ash Lake that Demon's Soul's Old One resides. Inside is the Pygmy.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 12, 2011 7:33 pm
Yes! lol. I would laugh and be amazed if the Maiden in Black was somewhere in the game.
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JohnnyHarpoon re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
JohnnyHarpoon Dec 12, 2011 8:28 pm
@Digital Good point...I actually meant a run without lighting/resting at a Bonfire, but it's good to know that an 'extinguish all bonfires' run would be impossible. Your idea makes more sense, though - getting through the game without leveling (which you do at the Bonfire) seems like a lost cause. It's really donating your humanity which is the problem (at least, in terms of my subjective theorizing...).

Makes me wonder if the Dragon does anything once you're at Max in the Dragon Covenant...technically, if you're out to kill Gwyn and were to prove yourself, I feel like he oughtta do something (though the dump files don't seem to make this a promising lead).

@Cloudrunner Hm...no estus. Interesting idea, never thought of that. Perhaps summoning Phantoms would make it easier, though you could just end up pissing off a lot of Phantoms that way.
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inksoldier re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
inksoldier Dec 13, 2011 2:38 am
I just wanted to share this little tidbit I found while watching the ending credits. For the voice actors, it mentions Priscilla, the Dragon crossbreed. I know we already knew that but I just thought that was interesting. Now my question is this, another voice actor played someone named Maiden Knight, is that the same as Lady of the Darkmoon?
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ublug re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
ublug Dec 13, 2011 4:15 am
I'm still doing my no bonfire run now and then. Made some more progress yesterday, I picked up the firekeeper soul in blighttown, and Lautrec killed my firelink keeper. Had to run all the way from quelaag's, through sen's, and finally kill the golem at level 20+. Am currently at o&s, but will farm a few levels from silver knights first, since farming without bonfires is a chore.
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Cloudrunner re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Cloudrunner Dec 13, 2011 9:34 am
@inksoldier: Yeah unless she's listed elsewhere in the credits the Maiden Knight is most likely the Anor Londo firekeeper (Lady of the Darkmoon). She had more than enough lines to warrant being put in the credits.
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GallianPride Dec 14, 2011 1:37 am
I noticed several people ask about the ''Maiden Knight'' seen in the list of NPC's at the ending credits. Im also curious as to who or what this person is. :o
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ublug re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
ublug Dec 14, 2011 4:13 am
The Darkmoon Knight should be the Lady of the Darkling, Anor Londo firekeeper. All the other female npc's with dialogue are listed afaik. There are no more characters that I can think of, so it may have been scrapped as well.

One other thing I remembered, for all you pygmy hunters out there. Rewatch the Prologue video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lmEqpgg3B4), the pygmy depicted there looks female as well.
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 14, 2011 5:48 am
Does this happen to anyone?

I died at the Chamber of the Princess bonfire and respawn at the first Anor Londo bonfire. This is really annoying for me, since I was killed the Lady of the Darkling, hence, I cannot warp back, which means I have to run to the Duke's Archives and use the first bonfire there.
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nosmokingbandit re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
nosmokingbandit Dec 14, 2011 8:19 am
Yeah, it happens to everyone and its annoying as hell. You'll learn to not kill the firekeeper until absolutely necessary.
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Baal-Avatar re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Baal-Avatar Dec 14, 2011 8:22 am
@ublug: I agree. It is just me interpretation, but I think the statue of the woman and child is somehow tied to the pygmy because of this. I have not found anything out yet though.
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 14, 2011 8:30 am
something about the firekeeper soul description get me:

They Live To Protect the Flames..
They Die To Protect it Further..

And Aren't ALL the fire keepers female?
WHY?!?!?! lol
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Elcyfur re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Elcyfur Dec 14, 2011 9:01 am
Hi everyone. I wanted to participate to this discussion even if it is hard to keep track of everything that is said.

Regarding the pendant end the pygmies i had something to propose, which i think has already been told but here i go:
YOU AND EVERYONE who can go hollow are the pygmies (look at your height compared to every other creatures); every pygmy who goes to rekindle a flame or want more power in this world (just like Gwyn did, end up insane consumed by power, kindle the fire ending). Regarding the use of the pendant, I think its role is to make you realize what will happen to you if you succeed to Gwyn. Reah wanted to rekindle and she went hollow, she has a pendant just like you do, to make you realize you are the heirs of the dark soul (humanity), and if you follow her(Gwyn's) path, you'll end up insane.
Why it is said that the pendant use would be discovered most likely on your 2nd or 3rd playthrough? well because once you helped her, got the soul of Nito; you most likely won't come back to the Duke's archive to see her and you'll go kill Gwyn, most likely kindle the fire as a reflex. (its hard to find Kaathe on a first playthrough without a guide of some sort, don't you agree?)

Conserning the cracked walls or doors, has anyone considered the possibility that it just goes along the idea that the world crumbled down at some point?
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 14, 2011 9:26 am
So, Everlasting Dragon could be a girl?
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 14, 2011 9:27 am
See I dont think the everlasting dragon iss the firekeeper.

Makes no sense
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Scrufffy re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Scrufffy Dec 14, 2011 9:36 am
Would make sense I guess, Firelink lady, Darkmoon lady, Quelaag's sister.... all ladies. (Most of which have seemingly little to say as well o -o )
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 14, 2011 10:26 am
Even the four firekeeper souls that you find say "her bonfire." Odd.
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Scrufffy re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Scrufffy Dec 14, 2011 10:28 am
If you check, the corpses of firekeepers are all female corpses. So it makes sense it would.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 14, 2011 10:33 am
No, I'm just wondering why female? What's the significance of it or the story to it?
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 14, 2011 10:38 am
But the Everlasting Dragon is already Immortal, and has no real need to be a fire keeper.

I think one is hiding...
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 14, 2011 10:43 am
Maybe but if you look at this way: there are a total of seven fire keepers souls. The four lying around and the three firekeepers. You can only upgrade your estus flask to +7. Seven souls= +7 estus.
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 14, 2011 10:55 am
It doesn't make sense for the Everlasting Dragon to have a bonfire, unless it's there for its followers.
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 14, 2011 11:01 am
I think Ash Lake has more than implied for such a beautiful area
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worstdream180 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
worstdream180 Dec 14, 2011 1:40 pm
The other day something called my attention while I was at Anor Londo (NG+). I was down the stairs next to the spiral platform located in front of Anor's first bonfire, and a little white sphere with legs, similar to a spider, appeared running on the floor. I quickly killed it with one hit, I could not let it go!... and it only dropped a Transient Curse :/
Someone else saw a monster like this?
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 14, 2011 1:42 pm
@worstdream: Sounds like a vagrant
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 14, 2011 1:52 pm
@worstdream180: It is a vagrant, the good kind. They come from items or souls dropped in other players' worlds.

worstdream180 Dec 14, 2011 1:54 pm
thank you for the response! I've never seen one before ^^
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 14, 2011 2:02 pm
Yeah, not many people have. Including me. You're actually pretty lucky.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 14, 2011 2:39 pm
So, here's something I noticed in the All Saint's Day trailer for Dark Souls. There is one part, for a split second, that shows the player walking knee deep in water and all around them it is pitch black. Two things stuck out to me about. One, I never seen it in game. I believe the trailer's release was pretty close to the game's release and find it unlucky that this was removed. Two, it looks just like the beginning to Demon's Souls.

It's about 28-30 seconds in. It does show the Hydra attack immediately after but from a different angle and it's considerably brighter. You can see the walls and trees way off in the distance at that point, so I don't think it's the Darkroot Garden.
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 14, 2011 2:42 pm
Wait has ...

Has anyone tried attacking Everlasting Dragon

using the same sequence as the opening prologue?

Gwyn's mighty bolts peeled apart their stone scales.
The witches weaved great firestorms.
Nito unleashed a miasma of death and disease.
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HolyPK9 re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
HolyPK9 Dec 14, 2011 2:44 pm
Could it be Ash Lake except facing out so you don't see anything? I havent been there in a while so im probably wrong
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oZnoob re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
oZnoob Dec 14, 2011 2:47 pm
wow, this thread is still going strong. It's crazy reading through all the different ways ppl have tried to reveal some secrets. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure you're all beating a dead horse, there are no more secrets, they've all been found. And I'm fairly certain this thread has pointed virtually nothing that wasn't already available knowledge. It sucks because I'd like there to be secrets, but I think its all been uncovered.

Wish it was possible to enable no_clip in dark souls, that way we would know for sure if we are missing on any secret areas.
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 14, 2011 2:49 pm
What also bothers me, is that out of all the npcs...

Siegmeyer and his daughter are the only ones in Ash Lake.

Maybe there's a way to not have either die and a key to ash LAke
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GallianPride re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
GallianPride Dec 14, 2011 3:03 pm
I wish there was some way to report the findings to the developer and see what he thinks.
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 14, 2011 3:08 pm
@oZnoob thats the sign of defeat =p

i'd rather believe in something more than give up..probably the same as the rest of us
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 14, 2011 3:17 pm
@GallianPride: I thought the exact same thing. Do what Striks did but instead have it be a letter composed of tried theories, ideas, and questions. "This i s all the stuff we tried, please take a look. . These are the questions we have . Can you help us i.e. give us a hint! "
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GallianPride re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
GallianPride Dec 14, 2011 3:19 pm
@Digital-Ashes: A link to the pastebin that was posted earlier would be something id add too.
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Acid_Rabbitz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Acid_Rabbitz Dec 14, 2011 3:22 pm
http://ru.memegenerator.net/cache/instances/400x/11/11863/12148726.jpg

Pendant Answered?
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glyphblade re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
glyphblade Dec 14, 2011 3:22 pm
oZnoob - "And I'm fairly certain this thread has pointed virtually nothing that wasn't already available knowledge"

except for the fact that this thread is where the available knowledge came from...

This therad was started over a month ago.. compiling all of the various information that had been rumoured, myths, untried, confirmed, suspected and yet still secret since Oct 5..

It's because of this thread and all the contributions and idea's from everyone here that we have the actual information or available knowledge...


A more recent idea I am going to try.. in final fantasy 3 (6 depending on how you count).. I think.. or 4, or 7.. not sure what number..

there was a sand worm monster on an island that would swallow you whole and transport you to a secret area.. I don't remember if you needed anything specific.. a member in your party or a certain item..

I'm going to try and get eaten by some giant worms in the demon ruins and see what happens..

what else eats you in this game... anyone wanna see what happens at the 3 giant badgers in Alvinas forest.. have the pendant with you.. and go get eaten.. see if you get taken somewhere else..
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GallianPride re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
GallianPride Dec 14, 2011 3:23 pm
There is a ''Ask the Developer'' section of the preparetodie forums but I think those forums are pretty dead.
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oZnoob re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
oZnoob Dec 14, 2011 4:35 pm
glyp

except for the fact that this thread is where the available knowledge came from...

I've been on this site forever, i've followed this thread closely since you created it...there is nothing in this entire thread that wasn't already available on this site. I loved reading it and looked forward to checking it out everyday to see if any secrets have revealed themselves. Not trying to be an ***, I just don't think there is anything left to find.
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 14, 2011 6:16 pm
Well, I found a lot of information from this thread, regardless if it was available elsewhere, so it has served its purpose.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 14, 2011 11:02 pm
Ladies and gentlemen of this wondrous thread. i have a favour to ask. Seeing as I am in a bind at the moment in Dark Souls I have taken to editing the Lore page and I would greatly appreciate if you can send me any viable information that you deem necessary or, if you wish, help me in my quest to edit the page by adding your own knowledge to it directly. I will of course be gathering information myself but there is so much out there that it proves difficult. And of course I will still be playing trying to bust some myths and secrets. Thank you all very much.
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mpkamat re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
mpkamat Dec 15, 2011 1:41 am
I have a Fully upgraded astorias sword,

not possible to break any special doors

like the One

a) in the centipede Demon in the lost izalith
b) Door near the capra demon

sorry no new access possible
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mpkamat re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
mpkamat Dec 15, 2011 4:23 am
The best strategy for the everlasting dragon from my point of view is to go in with light gear and move out of the dragon breath,

just stay behind him, use the havel ring & Dark grain ring together to be nible enough,

use a katana, and do strong attacks, one at a time,

patience is the key,


i have defeated him at LVL 45... with no sweat
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 15, 2011 6:12 am
@digital:
I think we should expand the timeline section into a history section. Instead of having an indication of how many years ago a particular even happened, we should write the entire history as background.

The first part would be easy, since we know very little about the Age of Dragons but have some details about the war and its aftermath.

We know that the Witch of Izalith tried create her own flame. Did this happen before Gwyn tried to rekindle the First Flame? (I think some of the Black Knight armor pieces mentioned fighting demons in the descriptions).

Then, the kindling of the First Flame, the setting up of the Church. Gwyn ordered his children to lead the humans and gave them his power (Great Lord Greatsword) before leaving.
So, the Way of the White and the Darkmoon Blades were created.

At some point, the other deities left. Anyone found any details about this?

Gwyndolin seems to be the only one left.

freakgib Dec 15, 2011 6:40 am
glyphblade
u get eaten by the Gaping Demon also that Demon is comming from some room below where u fight it maybe it can bring u back there?
then u have Nito who grap u and the 4 kings who grap u also.
Iron Golem also who knows maybe he can break open that whall / door behind him
and frampt and Klaate.\alsi am thinking about the Bird who brings u from the Undead Asylum to firelink and back maybe he can bring u somewhere els

Digital-Ashes
there is 1 part where u walk knee deep in the water that is in New Londo ruins if u diddnt lower the water and u enter the place at the start where u encounter the first ghost then u go right around some old ruins and there u can walk over a stone bride stil under water to a chest/body
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 15, 2011 8:22 am
I've been grabbed by Nito, the centipedes, the Four Kings and the Iron Golem and they don't take you anywhere.

There a lot of centipedes in the Demon Ruins, though.
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professorOfLies re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
professorOfLies Dec 15, 2011 9:40 am
Regarding the Blocked path in lower undead burg. You can see the other side of that blocked off path easily when you first enter the area with the basement key. After you slide down the loooong ladder and leave the building, look left and down. You can clearly see the boarded up path and where it leads. It leads around a bend and into a wall of terrain.
It looks like that was probably going to be a secret area at some point in the game design, but left along. I am more concerned about the boarded up door near all of the torch wielding hollows that are guarding a single humanity item... that seems off.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 15, 2011 11:33 am
The path in Undead Burg, I am sure, was scrapped. The ledge you were talking about where you can see it, if you shoot arrows at it from there they will go through the stairs and floor. It probably had some use but in the end it never made it into the game.
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grizzli re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
grizzli Dec 15, 2011 5:48 pm
Gods, From are really master trolls! There's nothing more in this game. All this pendant-walls-npcs sh*t was cut due to deadline/Xbox DVD space.
And it's really dramatic. The story feels REALLY scrapped, 'cause we just have no information and without information many things are looking really stupid. I really like the atmosphere of Demon's Souls. Wonderful Boletria - we knew as much as we need. But we knew.
When we look at last years (TGS10 etc.) trailers, we can see, that
1) Anastcia should play much more important role (perhaps she should be like Maiden in Black)
2) Most of ''Summon NPCs'' (Taurus, Leeroy, Beatrice) should have their own side quests.
When I've read the whole text dump, I started to understand this game:
- Shiva, who actually should be Satsuki (that's why he went to Blighttown). Okay, From. That wasn't that hard to do a second quest like ''Lautrec killed Anactasia''. Lame.
- Oscar, who should actually be your rival.
- Velka's Covenant. That would make much more sense. Being a judge of Sin's Goodness makes much more sense then hunt people for ephemeral target of this ***.
etc. etc.
So, what's the moral of this story?
Take more time to make a game and don't release game on Xbox.
I hope for Demon's Souls 2 or other Souls game for Vita. Sony already learned their lesson and now they are able to invest in new Souls game. We hope, we pray.
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grizzli re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
grizzli Dec 15, 2011 5:52 pm
2011, 11:24 am




Here is the yet undiscovered/hidden dialogue for Shiva of the East from the text dump:


Shiva's Dialogue:

"Hello again. Strange to meet away from the clan and the forest. But while you're here, how about some equipment? I love collecting these things, but I can only keep so many. And, you know, you are a friend. I'll sell them cheap."

"We meet again. I have the equipment, if you have the need.Well, there you are again.I've culled my best picks from my last summoning. Have a look, will you? I see you have a sharp eye for trinkets. Suits me fine. I'll be seeing you."

"Right then. I'll see you in the forest."

"Right then. I'll be seeing you."

"Have you heard of Chaos Blade? The legendary sword of the ancient Undead master Makoto, its
blade a swirling vortex. I heard it's somewhere around here, but I can't find it....It's all I could ever wish for......I'd do anything to have it."

"Why, look at you! Just wait will you! Your sword! Is it not... the Chaos Blade...? I've been searching for her for ages! ...I beg of you, and I promise repay you...Will you give the sword to me?"

(This seems to be his response when you say "Yes")

"Excellent! Much gratitude! As promised, this is for you. Go ahead, take it. Ahh, splendid, the Chaos Blade...Look into the vortex...Wonderful...Simply wonderful...Oh my, oh my...But the sword's true value...hmm...Can't be known without a good killing..."

(This seems to be his response when you say "No")

"Yes, quite alright, I cannot blame you. The blade is yours, after all....So, I will do the honourable thing......And kill you for it...Don't you run away! Be still you rat! Taste my blade, taste it, you devil! Hee hee! Hee, hee hee hee!"

"This is what you get for crossing me. Have a look at my sword, for it's the last thing you'll see!"

"Red...the colour of blood...Hee hee...hee...By the devils...You won't be able to run far enough...What a wonderful specimen...Like slicing through butter...Hee, hee, nee hee hee! Your ambitions have sealed your fate. But, who'd have thought I'd be the traitor? Sometimes you never know, do you...Keh heh heh heh!"


So, most of NPCs could also get summoned. Drama.
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Dustofsaturn re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Dustofsaturn Dec 15, 2011 7:27 pm
The next souls game had better be multiplatform, or whatever game FROM creates next.
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glyphblade re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
glyphblade Dec 15, 2011 8:43 pm
I have left big hat logan in the cage at sen's fortress, went through to Seath's Dukes Archives and big hat logan is not in the cell below.

I was a princess guard covenant, dressed in maidens gear and died, only to appear in the standard cell... cast the princess guard miracles on the crying medussa's, all in maidens gear and no change..

Reah is there, hollow in her ussual place as well... leaving her alive for a while til I think of a new idea..


I opened the short cut in lost izalith, got Solaire to be all 3 of his options.

Used the pendant, equiped all of Gwyn's equipment, was a fully ranked 3, max 99 offerings to the warriors of sunlight covenant, dropped the pendant, wore the sunlight maggot,.. and all had no change to Solaire's behavior.


I put the pendant on the ground, dropped every boss soul and fire keeper soul on the ground and waited.. and nothing happened..


I dissagree with Grizzli.. with so many variables through npc options it is very likely that we have not hit the right combination of events or choices to trigger the pendant option..

Through story progress, or the correct order and sequence of events is how we'll find out what the pendant does..

and when it's all said and done and if we still haven't found what the pendant does..

we get our best Japanese to English translator and go to Japan.. and ask really nicely for director Hidetaka Miyazaki to tell us the secret..

I'll bring a Nodachi (washing pole) and light it on fire if it will help convince him..
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glyphblade re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
glyphblade Dec 15, 2011 8:45 pm
also this area is still worth investigating..

In blightown, in the middle level where the fire spitting dogs are, and the fire keeper soul is.. in the back and left of the ladder up is a door / barricade of some sorts with a shaft going down... it stands out and looks out of place.. but also cannot be interacted with..
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Noctes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Noctes Dec 15, 2011 8:49 pm
I saw that too my first run. I always thought it was a door that will eventually open. I looked around for like an hour, looking for a switch or something, haha.
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Digital-Ashes re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Digital-Ashes Dec 15, 2011 9:38 pm
I agree with Glyph. All the starting gifts have some significance to the player or plot. If the Pendant's only use is to be traded away, it would be a worthless starting item. It must do something even if that something is just extra dialogue like the Old Witch's Ring.
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ButterflySoul re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
ButterflySoul Dec 15, 2011 9:41 pm
Has anyone tried summoning an NPC and taking them somewhere else? As in... NOT in the boss fight?

I remember summoning Solaire in Anor Londo and he lost half his health going to town on those two giant knights in the grand hall, instead of going towards the fog with me.

What if... What if you were to summon him there and walk him down to the Darkmoon bonfire? Perhaps leaving the ring of the sun's firstborn on the corpse for him to "find it" ? Maybe even take him down for a chat with Gwyndolin?

I just got the Lordvessel in NG+ and then this idea popped into my head. It seems so natural to summon them just for the boss fight since they show up right before the fog and disappear after, but what happens if you take them elsewhere?
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ArkAndSka re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
ArkAndSka Dec 16, 2011 3:09 am
I remember when I summoned Solitair before the Gaping Dragon, I wondered if I could take him anywhere else. I walked around part of the Depths and then was like alright lets go back to the boss area.
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ublug re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
ublug Dec 16, 2011 3:28 am
Most of the npc's you can summon will only stay around the boss area, even Leeroy was patched to not run back into the level. Lautrec and Solaire will follow you around in the Depths though. I was planning to get them cursed , but I doubt if it can be done.
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grizzli re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
grizzli Dec 16, 2011 5:52 am
People please. Your ideas are really crazy.
I've one question. Why is Solaire's way to find his own sun so, hm, strange. Undead Burg > Anor Londo > Undead Burg (How?) > Demon City (!!!) > Lost Izalith. I mean, it's just random! Logan has logical way (he goes to Duke's Archives, 'cause he wanted to lean Seath's magic). Siegmeyer... Okay, if you know the development story, then it's logical too (there should be area, that connects Izalith with Ash Lake (you can still see it from Tomb of Giants). But what's really strange is how have they all found a way to Anor Londo! It's just strange, I don't think that they also used a service of gargoyles. Strange.
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grizzli re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
grizzli Dec 16, 2011 5:57 am
And yeah, perhaps Pendant SHOULD have big use, but due to deadlines or wonderful Xbox DVD space they had to cut it too. ''We tried our best, you know the rest.''
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Xirmi re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Xirmi Dec 16, 2011 6:05 am
Summoned NPCs go for the boss area usually if you leave.

Leeroy is the only one I managed to get to help me. I summoned him before killing the Bonewheel skeletons and he cleared everything out for me, dealing over 2000 damage per hit. >.>

Once the skeletons were dead, he just went into the boss area even when I tried to get him to follow me.
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Adrikekz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Adrikekz Dec 16, 2011 6:22 am
So, do we have any proof that Solaire is searching for the pendant?

Perhaps he's searching for his ring, or something else.
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grizzli re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
grizzli Dec 16, 2011 6:27 am
Adrikekz
He's looking for something, let me say, something unphysical. He looks really depressed and starts to go mad. It's really important for him.
But has anyone managed what happens to him if you save him in Izalith (you kill all parasytes) Does he just sit there for eternity? When he helps you with Gwyn, then it means, that he knew how to get to the Klin and he wanted something from Gwyn. Something really important, 'cause he had to turn back and go back to the Firelink Shrine.
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Adrikekz re: All dark Souls Secrets... lots of spoilers..
Adrikekz Dec 16, 2011 6:35 am
Yeah, I know this much, but of all parts that seemingly has been removed from the game, solaire's seems to still be there.