Why is full giants and full havel's so frowned upon?

I assume there is hatred of those sets because of bad 1.05 experiences. I use those sets, but fat roll. Is that ok?

Or is having 450+ phys. def too OP, or 121 poise too much? <3

I think they're frowned upon because they were the go-to armor sets of gankers everywhere. So if someone saw them, then they would assume that the person was a ganker. I don't really mind them, it's just annoying to fight against them.

I'm assuming that it's because they're gankers favorite armors. Aside from that, I like them.

It sure does inspire terror. <3

I just love str weapons and tanky crap. So I use the armors.

As long as you don't have a friend with you when I invade your world I don't care what you're wearing. More power to you for mid or fat rolling.

gankers use them. And people used to ninja flip with full havel armor before it was patched and nerfed

But I often summon a phantom to see their skillz...

OMG s0 1337 pr0 pVp sk1llz.....lololol


They often die quickly in 1v1s. Then I clean up.

Full Giants = Str, (preferably BKGA) heavy BS fishing.
Full Havel's = Str tank, but sometimes it's some chicken with Gold Tracer.

Partial Havel (especially torso) = Heavy BS fishing by tanking hits with high Poise, while maintaining Fast Roll.

That's how I see them.

I don't frown upon the armor itself, even though I consider Giant's to be very ugly, but on the techniques that their wielders usually use, which I consider cheap and pain in the do deal with.

I think people hate them because they are so overused! People who wear other sets tend to mix and match more (not just adding mask of the mother), and go for aesthetics. From a gameplay perspective theyre nothing really wrong with them. Youre just sacrificing roll speed for DEF so it evens oout.

I personally love he way giants looks: Imposing. Same with havel's, but I kinda like Giants more than havel's.

I agree, I love the way Giants looks but you dont see too many people taking pieces of it and making cool combinations. They all just throw on a mask of something and thats it. I really like the look of the giant's armor's helmet though. Wouldnt mind seeing more of it

Giant's armor + Ornstein's chest piece = beast!

the chest armors like the best piece tho lol..