Crystal +4 vs Normal +15 Comprehensive Database

Many of us use mugenmonkey for weapon ARs, however the crystal path AR's is displayed at crystal +5. Playing the fair game, we all know that crystal +5 is not easily restocked since slabs are rare. However some weapons can give us an advantage at crystal +4 which can be restocked by farming chunks. Some of these increased ARs are not worth the effort though, at least for me. For someone else, it can be a reason to be as effective as possible.

Weapons with single AR scaling will be measured at 40 Str or 40 Dex.
Weapons with double AR scaling (C/C, D/C, etc.) will be measured at 40 Str/40 Dex.
Only weapons that can be farmed or bought will be listed.
N+15 ARs taken from mugenmonkey (some fixed values from in-game data)
PvP top tier weapons listed.


-Fists

Caestus N+15: 336 AR
Caestus C+4: 350 AR

Claw N+15: 359 AR
Claw C+4: 374 AR


-Daggers

Bandit's Knife N+15: 279 AR
Bandit's Knife C+4: 291 AR


-Straight Swords

Longsword N+15: 408 AR
Longsword C+4: 424 AR

Broadsword N+15: 418 AR
Broadsword C+4: 435 AR

BSS N+15: 399 AR
BSS C+4: 415 AR


-Greatswords

Bastard Sword N+15: 535 AR
Bastard Sword C+4: 557 AR

MSGS N+15: 521 AR
MSGS C+4: 542 AR

Flamberge N+15: 484 AR
Flamberge C+4: 503 AR


-UGS

Greatsword N+15: 610 AR
Greatsword C+4: 634 AR

DGM N+15: 637 AR
DGM C+4: 663 AR


-Curved Swords

Falchion N+15: 409 AR
Falchion C+4: 426 AR

Shotel N+15: 386 AR
Shotel C+4: 402 AR

PGS N+15: 418 AR
PGS C+4: 435 AR


-Katanas

Uchigatana N+15: 420 AR
Uchigatana C+4: 436 AR

Washing Pole N+15: 426 AR
Washing Pole C+4: 444 AR


-Curved Greatswords

Murakumo N+15: 564 AR
Murakumo C+4: 587 AR


-Rapiers

Rapier N+15: 352 AR
Rapier C+4: 367 AR


-Axes

Hand Axe N+15: 383 AR
Hand Axe C+4: 398 AR


-Greataxes

Greataxe N+15: 632 AR
Greataxe C+4: 657 AR

DGA N+15: 654 AR (31 Str, 2H)
DGA C+4: 681 AR (31 Str, 2H)


-Hammers

Mace N+15: 431 AR
Mace C+4: 448 AR

Reinforced Club N+15: 428 AR
Reinforced Club C+4: 445 AR

Pickaxe N+15 421 AR
Pickaxe C+4: 439 AR


-Great Hammers

Large Club N+15: 615 AR
Large Club C+4: 638 AR


-Spears

Pike N+15: 416 AR
Pike C+4: 433 AR

4 Pronged Plow N+15: 401 AR
4 Pronged Plow C+4:


-Bows

Shortbow N+15: 390 AR (Large Arrows)
Shortbow C+4: 399 AR (Large Arrows)


-Crossbows

Light Crossbow N+15: 374 AR (Heavy Bolts)
Light Crossbow C+4: 384 AR (Heavy Bolts)


Notes:

-Crystal Large Club has almost same AR as a Great Club for 1 less weight.

-Crystal Rapier has a little more AR (+4) than Estoc, lower weight and higher critical bonus.

-Crystal Longsword has a little more AR (+4) than SSS, at lower weight and stat requirements.

-Caestus are weaker than claws, even at 40/40.

-The higher the AR, the higher is the difference between normal and crystal AR.

-Anything above 20 AR difference is worth the farming imo.

But doesn't the fact that +15s can be buffed with CMW or resins pretty much make them superior to Crystals?

Also, would love to help with collecting the numbers if you need any.

amaro57 wrote:But doesn't the fact that +15s can be buffed with CMW or resins pretty much make them superior to Crystals?

Also, would love to help with collecting the numbers if you need any.

Crystals can be buffed as well.

Damn Wyrm, will be eagerly looking forward to seeing the results.

WyrmHero wrote:

amaro57 wrote:But doesn't the fact that +15s can be buffed with CMW or resins pretty much make them superior to Crystals?

Also, would love to help with collecting the numbers if you need any.

Crystals can be buffed as well.

I never knew this. Hrm, well then, I await your results with earnest.

Go to darksouls.lljk.net, click on the weapons category in the page header, and browse through the catalog. Select any weapon, look at its stats for Crystal +4. E.G., for Claymore: http://darksouls.lljk.net/1.04/weapon/crystal_claymore

Then go here: https://sites.google.com/site/darksoulstats/dark-souls-calculators/crystal

In the spread sheet, scroll over until you can see columns J and AB. Select both of them, right-click, and set column width to 60 or whatever value you want. This will reveal some background information used by the calculator. Set the base damage to whatever it says on darksouls.lljk.net at Crystal +4. For the Claymore, that's 267. Then go back to the main part of the calculator and use it as you normally would. Crystal +4 Calculator.

Ok it is done!!!!!!!!!

Only crystal Hand Axe and plow ARs left, if you guys have them post it here.

+1, and good work. I've always wondered about this but was afraid to farm and find out.

Ghadis_God wrote:+1, and good work. I've always wondered about this but was afraid to farm and find out.

You don't need to farm anything, you just need to know the weapon stats, which are readily available (with the exception of DLC weapons, AFAIK). I can tell you that a Crystal Hand Axe +4, with 40 strength and dexterity, is going to have 398 attack rating, and I've never upgraded a Hand Axe past +0 in the entire time I've played the game.

Thank you!!!!

I was actually looking for something like this, but is it possible this stuff has changed? I have a +4 Crystal murakumo and a +15 and it says the +15 has a higher AR

Scratch that, I just realized I forgot to reinforce it to +4

Nice job with the results