The "Bad Guy" in Dark Souls

EverlastingRat wrote: I mean Gwyn seems to be a reinvention of the Zeus archetype, and well, Zeus was always out and about pumping other woman and he did some weird shhht, like disguising himself as animals or clouds or stuff. So to a degree, Gwyn being a zoophiliac doesn't sound so strange.

VMatrixX wrote:If you link the fire, you keep man suspended in limbo, never really dying. You also let the Gods keep sacrificing people to keep the fires going, it seems the "Way of white" was a religion to cover up the fact to the public all along! they just were using religion as an excuse to haul away undead to use them as fuel, a conspiracy

DE5PA1R wrote:

VMatrixX wrote:If you link the fire, you keep man suspended in limbo, never really dying. You also let the Gods keep sacrificing people to keep the fires going, it seems the "Way of white" was a religion to cover up the fact to the public all along! they just were using religion as an excuse to haul away undead to use them as fuel, a conspiracy

There's no need to continue sacrifices once an Undead links the flame. The cycle is a lie.

VMatrixX wrote:

DE5PA1R wrote:

VMatrixX wrote:If you link the fire, you keep man suspended in limbo, never really dying. You also let the Gods keep sacrificing people to keep the fires going, it seems the "Way of white" was a religion to cover up the fact to the public all along! they just were using religion as an excuse to haul away undead to use them as fuel, a conspiracy

There's no need to continue sacrifices once an Undead links the flame. The cycle is a lie.

If you link the fire, the flame will start to fade again, and the Gods will start killing to fuel it again

GhosTAnoynmouS wrote:the developers have stated that they originally wanted a covenant of Velka but couldn't because of constraints so i think they merged the ideas from that with the dark moon blade. so i don't think there is any tension between Gwyndolin and Velka dealing with the covenant. however i do think its interesting that its a crow that takes you away from the asylum and that it is also where the peculiar doll is found so i believe Velka plays a much larger role in our quests then we think and i think its obvious Gwyndolin isn't trying to stop you from reaching Gwyn seeing as he tells you to follow Frampt who is trying to direct you to doing just that. i also believe Gwyndolin was the one to cast all the illusions since he has an affinity for the moon which insinuates his ability with illusions, plus he also puts up an illusion in the form of the never ending hallway you battle him in (which in fact does end). i don't think there is a true evil just different agendas and desired ends. just like in the real world, when theres a war no one side is "evil" each side is fighting for something important to them and what is necessarily bad about that? bad is an object of personal view and opinion. so imo there is no bad side no real "evil" the game is meant to be extremely open for interpretation so its up to you to think who is bad and good

Shkar wrote:

GhosTAnoynmouS wrote:the developers have stated that they originally wanted a covenant of Velka but couldn't because of constraints so i think they merged the ideas from that with the dark moon blade. so i don't think there is any tension between Gwyndolin and Velka dealing with the covenant. however i do think its interesting that its a crow that takes you away from the asylum and that it is also where the peculiar doll is found so i believe Velka plays a much larger role in our quests then we think and i think its obvious Gwyndolin isn't trying to stop you from reaching Gwyn seeing as he tells you to follow Frampt who is trying to direct you to doing just that. i also believe Gwyndolin was the one to cast all the illusions since he has an affinity for the moon which insinuates his ability with illusions, plus he also puts up an illusion in the form of the never ending hallway you battle him in (which in fact does end). i don't think there is a true evil just different agendas and desired ends. just like in the real world, when theres a war no one side is "evil" each side is fighting for something important to them and what is necessarily bad about that? bad is an object of personal view and opinion. so imo there is no bad side no real "evil" the game is meant to be extremely open for interpretation so its up to you to think who is bad and good

Evil is indeed a personal view, but the vast majority of "evil" acts are seen as such by every non-sociopathic human. While cultures will clash as to whether or not, say, adultery is wrong, I have yet to hear of a culture that allowed wanton theft and murder to rage uncontrolled. As such, there are certain elements of life that can be said to be "good" or "evil," though the vast majority of wars are not caused by such ideals.

Because of that, it is fairly easy to claim that the "good side" is the one striving to improve the lives of the living, while the "bad side" is the one trying to worsen them. As the dark lord ending will likely leave humanity unable to progress or even die, I say that it is the bad ending.

GhosTAnoynmouS wrote:
okay ill admit you made some very valid points that i agree with, however maybe a ive journeyed off track. sadly i agree with you on the ending as wel but would like to hear someone explain their belief on why the dark lord ending is a good ending

GhosTAnoynmouS wrote:i did some thinking and, i feel that the dark lord ending could be justified in the fact that it is just moving the world into the next age in the cycle. the age of dark is going to happen regardless of what happens, rekindling the bonfire is just a short term answer to a long term problem kinda like trying to put a bandaid on a gun shot wound. now while i personally dont like the idea of becoming the dark lord i do hate the idea that the act of rekindling the fire and sacrificing youself will make no real difference. its just the act of trying to cling on tosomething that is already gone

GhosTAnoynmouS wrote:i dont know if it could or couldnt but lets just go with no for the sake of conversation.but the way i see it is the age of fire is already over no matter if anyone wants to believe it or not and in my opinion for any progression the age of dark must come to pass so that another "age of fire" may come.i believe it works in cycles. the cycle cant restart if we hold it still

twilightwarwolf wrote:i agree with you i feel that prolonging the age of fire isnt the right way to go. and personally if you have to sacrifice a person to do something dont you think that maybe another way could be found or something different done to attain your goal of prosperity?