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    Post by TheMeInTeam Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:10 am

    I don't like tanking them either.  I went in there with full Giants +5 and still couldn't handle tanking it.  I admittedly didn't have spell stoneplate (Zwei build needs its FAP), but otherwise I was 2 handing a lightning spear +5 and those swipes were freaking wrecking me.  Blocking isn't remotely viable due to the stamina consumption, meaning to win via tanking you would have to:

    1.  Somehow avoid grab/AoE/homing magic spam
    2.  Constantly stay right up on the kings to avoid taking full damage (and in my experience, the swipes occasionally push you far enough that the follow-up hits for full damage)
    3.  Stop to heal anyway

    Basically, 1 mistake that makes you take too much damage via AoE attack or a grab will make it hard to heal without them beating on you for full damage, making spend even MORE time to heal.  It's a rat race at that point since more kings can show up, and it's unnecessary.

    I don't see the utility in this compared to just spamming "roll left except when they swing from the right", and hitting them 2x (3 with really fast weapons) between attacks.  Any benefit you'd gain via tanking via stamina is lost in time spent chugging.

    The only attacks difficult to dodge are the above mentioned homing magic, grab, and AoE.  With fast roll you can triple back roll to get away from AoE blasts.  With the grab you just roll back once or twice, wait for them to start moving, then roll sideways.  Homing magic you just charge past and likely eventually eat; it's reasonably rare and dodging it uses too much time.

    IMO fast rolling > tanking 4kings, even on a build that ultimately seeks to tank.

    This fight is so, so much easier if you have even 1 attunement slot for PW.  It makes such a huge difference lol.  I went into the fight on another playthrough with a raw halberd 16 str 12 dex (arguably weaker than lightning spear +5) but thanks to lingering ring + PW I absolutely MOPPED this fight...with time to heal between the 2nd/3rd and 3rd/4th kings.

    Problem: I don't have any of this or the access to it nor do I have the skill to even try low sl runs. I'll just get a trader to hand me about 79 orbs and deal with the 4 kings when I get the build to 55.

    Use any elemental weapon and fast roll and you'll be fine.  It takes some time to get used to their tells, but they're more predictable than human players and they don't even lag!

    2hand your weapon.  Throw a grass crest shield on your back for more attacks...I don't care if it's +0 it's still useful and it's all you need.  Gold-hemmed set if you have nothing else (that should be easy enough to own and has respectable magic resists).  Elemental weapon is recommended for this event vs non-lowbies anyway.  I'm actually going to carry a Zwei +5 and a Chaos Zwei +5 for this event big grin.
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    Post by SadPanda Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:08 am

    Soris Ice Goldwing wrote:
    wretchedsausage wrote:  Full Havel's, +4 Lightning Longsword, Crest Shield, 20 estus, you should be fine. just stand against them, 2-hand the sword, and keep swinging. if they to the AOE attack, just back up a bit and hold up your shield. Heal whenever you drop below half health. This worked for me on my SL10, and I've only fought them twice before.

    Problem: I don't have any of this or the access to it nor do I have the skill to even try low sl runs. I'll just get a trader to hand me about 79 orbs and deal with the 4 kings when I get the build to 55.
    If you're on Xbox, I can either

    A. Help you cheese 4 Noobs

    or

    B. Give you 99 cracked orbs

    Your choice completely. If you're on Xbox of course happy
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    Post by Soris Ice Goldwing Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:20 am

    If I get rid of Sif I will take the help.
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    Post by TheMeInTeam Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:20 pm

    I'm an xbox player also.  We can have a 3 way.

    Party.

    Sadly I don't think I have any SL10 that far into the game aside from my SL10 bandit for this event, so I'll probably just have to use the lightning spear +5 or my chaos Zwei +5 with 10 humanity (lol).  That should be enough damage to merit any HP boost the kings get going from 1 phantom to 2 though.

    I could probably help with Sif also; that wouldn't take too long.
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    Post by densetsushun Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:05 am

    I think I'm in on this. I'm remaking a quality and I'm staying at 10 for the moment, and it's great fun doing low SL PvP.
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    Post by reim0027 Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:53 pm

    I've added you.
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    Post by Soris Ice Goldwing Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:00 am

    I can't wait for this to begin. I have my thief set up already.
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    Post by shadowzninjaz Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:14 am

    Soris Ice Goldwing wrote:I can't wait for this to begin. I have my thief set up already.

    So do i lol +5 bandits knife awwwwww yeah
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    Post by jewfrozack Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:02 am

    So as long as our build adheres to the above rules, it doesn't matter how far along with the game our character has gotten?
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    Post by TheMeInTeam Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:27 am

    jewfrozack wrote:So as long as our build adheres to the above rules, it doesn't matter how far along with the game our character has gotten?

    Correct.  He basically suggested killing 4kings for the red eye orb if you can do so.

    Man, that was a real pain with just lightning spear +5.  I got so much better vs them just from all those attempts.  I almost never get hit by anything now except the occasional mis-timed dodge vs the grab (pretty rare) and that stupid homing magic attack that you have to just eat.

    He also suggested carrying a good elemental weapon in the event that you must face players who are clearly in NG+, have their own elementals, start throwing dark magic around, etc.  On a dex build for you IMO just carry a strong elemental dagger or piercing sword (chaos estoc or rapier is ridiculous lol).  I can't use those things due to only 10 dex.

    I'm actually invading for this event from NG+, although I'll be using only the armor +3 and the earlygame weapon +5 I DO have a chaos zwei +5 that can be menu swapped in, along with full giants for those..."recurrent problems" happy.  I also have a maxed light xbow with heavy bolts if I'm going up against mages or over-level'd pokes.

    But typically I'll be in mostly knights/chain/hollowcloth stuff with wolf/fap and weapon +5...I might use a few different +5s due to all the spare souls I have and things Andrei sells happy.


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    Post by Emergence Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:31 am

    Stickied. Let's push it as a Forum wide event to get some more participants. Pantheon endorsed and all that.
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    Post by Carphil Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:35 am

    Uah, not going to be able to participate on this one, but have a nice time everyone winking
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    Post by CrackSouls Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:41 am

    I'm sorry to say life has been too busy lately and I won't have a chance to play at all this weekend. Weddings and work and stuff... Please remove me from the participants.

    Sorry, hope it goes well. I will keep my eye on this thread in hopes for videos!
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    Post by jewfrozack Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:47 am

    TheMeInTeam wrote:
    jewfrozack wrote:So as long as our build adheres to the above rules, it doesn't matter how far along with the game our character has gotten?

    Correct.  He basically suggested killing 4kings for the red eye orb if you can do so.

    Man, that was a real pain with just lightning spear +5.  I got so much better vs them just from all those attempts.  I almost never get hit by anything now except the occasional mis-timed dodge vs the grab (pretty rare) and that stupid homing magic attack that you have to just eat.

    He also suggested carrying a good elemental weapon in the event that you must face players who are clearly in NG+, have their own elementals, start throwing dark magic around, etc.  On a dex build for you IMO just carry a strong elemental dagger or piercing sword (chaos estoc or rapier is ridiculous lol).  I can't use those things due to only 10 dex.

    I'm actually invading for this event from NG+, although I'll be using only the armor +3 and the earlygame weapon +5 I DO have a chaos zwei +5 that can be menu swapped in, along with full giants for those..."recurrent problems" happy.  I also have a maxed light xbow with heavy bolts if I'm going up against mages or over-level'd pokes.

    But typically I'll be in mostly knights/chain/hollowcloth stuff with wolf/fap and weapon +5...I might use a few different +5s due to all the spare souls I have and things Andrei sells happy.

     Great to hear. I can use my SL1 Darkwraith

    Not sure how I'll be re-equipping myself though.
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    Post by reim0027 Wed Jul 10, 2013 9:51 pm

    Sorry to hear that, Crack. I've removed you. I've got over 80 kills with my low level build, just warming up in the burg. I'll reset my humanity for the event.
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    Post by shadowzninjaz Wed Jul 10, 2013 10:10 pm

    So were are most of u guys going invade, burg, parish?
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    Post by reim0027 Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:13 pm

    I'm mainly going to invade the burg, sunlight altar, parish, and lower undead burg. I may also invade the Depths.
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    Post by wretchedsausage Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:20 am

    I think i'll invade in the depths. I think a lot of people won't expect to be invaded there, and I need all the advantage I can get if I want to get many kills happy
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    Post by jewfrozack Thu Jul 11, 2013 4:25 am

    So there's still enough time to join?

    If so count me in

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    Post by reim0027 Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:23 am

    Of course there's still time, as long as you have time to make your build. I've added you to the list.
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    Post by wretchedsausage Thu Jul 11, 2013 9:43 am

    There's going to be a really great turnout! I'm so excited thumbs up
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    Post by Sentiel Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:04 am

    I'm thinking about hosting in Parish, just to mess with you guys. devil 

    I'd like to join, but I'll have only a few spare hours to play, so there's no way to win for me. I've been doing invasions like this for ages, so it's nothing new, but the amount of twinked out phantoms one meets is astounding, even today.

    I have a question though. Can I use Domhall's Set and Black Sorcerer Set?
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    Post by SadPanda Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:17 am

    Why did it have to be this weekend ;_;

    I'm leaving for a week long fishing trip with my brother tomorrow so I won't be able to participate. Sorry guys.
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    Post by Sentiel Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:19 am

    SadPanda wrote:Why did it have to be this weekend ;_;

    I'm leaving for a week long fishing trip with my brother tomorrow so I won't be able to participate. Sorry guys.
    Take it from the bright side.
    You'll be fishing for fish, while we'll be fishing for backstabs and hatemail. thumbs up 
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    Post by SadPanda Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:21 am

    Sentiel wrote:
    SadPanda wrote:Why did it have to be this weekend ;_;

    I'm leaving for a week long fishing trip with my brother tomorrow so I won't be able to participate. Sorry guys.
    Take it from the bright side.
    You'll be fishing for fish, while we'll be fishing for backstabs and hatemail. thumbs up 
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