No Pyromancy in DkS 2?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwcKVfhtMi0#t=01m22s

@1:22 (link is time-stamped) the player uses what looks like a catalyst to cast a fire spell.  The same spell tool is used at other points in the video to cast "soul sorceries".  Does this mean magic is returning to a Demon's style system (Int for soul/fire magic, and Fai for miracles)?  Will there no longer be stat free magic in DkS 2?

Discuss

Might make sense if Fire Sorceries is rediscovered. At least from a lore perspective.

Also, it might be universal Pyro/Magic catalyst. (I personally like this idea a lot.)

It certainly appears that way. I'm kinda gonna miss lobbing fireballs.

And miracles are apparently now cast with catalysts as well.

SadPanda wrote:And miracles are apparently now cast with catalysts as well.

They are?

Might be debug feature...

Or universal catalyst. (I really like it)

Edit: I think it is good that it is no longer stat bound, as they needed to balance it some. They would either made it weaker, the aforementioned scaling or removed it.

Perhaps they have integrated into Sorcerery.

Just noticed that there's stamina drain for spells in addition to limited castings.

A stamina drainage is also good, as it works against spell spamming and therefore balances the game more.

Looked at it; indeed, casting now consumes stamina. Considering that it sounds like magic has gotten considering more varied and powerful (it was mentioned you could summon meteorites), a stamina drain wouldn't be bad to balance it just a bit more. They seem to have taken a lot of measures to re-balance aspects of the game that were abused easily, such as backstabs and limited castings (spells had to be powerful to cope with the system, so it was abused by leaving them until the boss).

Now, I wait for them to fix Poise by increasing those breakpoints.

Maybe they saw my post and for stat free magic they're using Lunar Magic.  *gasp*

Dibsville wrote:I'm scared to think of a Catalyst that lets us cast two different types of spells again...

Hoping they're just one spell type.

But they aren't two different types of spells.  They're just sorceries that deal fire damage instead of magic damage

Dibsville wrote:Maybe...
I was just on my SL 612, wondering whether to use a Catalyst or a Talisman...
Hopefully the choice won't be use both in one in DkS2...

You've never experienced the joy of using a proper Talisman of Beasts, have you? 

Dibsville wrote:Oh I have.
I have...
And I'm glad it got taken out.

I guess I can understand it from an overall grand balance perspective, but I still say the Pushed ToB build was the most engaged I've been with any build in either Souls game.  The epitome of glass cannon mage

Cracked ToB was basically a glitch, but it only enabled purple weapons.  A pure mage using ToB had to push Int and Fai making them similar to Quality builds i.e. stat hungry but versatile and powerful.  I would like to see a hybrid spell toll in DkS 2.

As for fire magic returning to Int based, I also hope this is the case.  In general I'd like to see powerful non-scaling low requirement anything disappear.  As for pyromancy specifically, the fact that cast speeds increased with dex helped to make dex builds op, and no stat scaling for damage meant virtually any build could benefit from having one Att slot and GC/BF.

Guys, pyromancies were once part of the 'regular' magic, hance the reason an Izalith Catalyst was being used by the Sisters. But it states it is long since forgotten (something like that). 
Before the Chaos Flame, there was just fire magic.

And I think this might be going in the right direction. It's probably a way to make pyromancies scale with a stat instead of upgrading the glove and feast on new players with an OP SL1 DW. I'm glad if this is the case. 

I think i saw someone on the forums saying that pyromancy is going to be a new stat.

But till the game is out, everything can happen 

ToB is back - yeah
pls broken ToB, CW and DBS and i'm home

I would assume a universal catalyst would have somewhat low mag adj. You can cast everything but it will be weak.

Soul of Stray Demon wrote:I would assume a universal catalyst would have somewhat low mag adj. You can cast everything but it will be weak.

For balance issues?

Probably other restrictions would work too, like cut the casts in half.

Cronotis wrote:Just noticed that there's stamina drain for spells in addition to limited castings.

Thats really lame. As if mages need another stat to micro manage.

I'm hoping dex no longer boosts cast speeds, to balance out the stamina drain.