lorenzo110 wrote:OK let me explain it to you guys this way. I do not play the game the way you seem to play it. Most here play via the 120 build restrictions rule. I don't buy that mind set. If the game devs believed in this cap they would have set max level at 120. And with that being said many still don't follow this because they seem to level between 125 to 130 or slightly more. I find it hypocritical but that's another subject all itself. Buffs are buffs we all agree with that because it seems none of you are disputing the idea that they are meant to make this game easier not harder. Whether it is a glass canon or other similar easy mode type styles of game play. Since I do not subscribe to the idea of "builds" I simply call them what they are...styles of fighting. And we can agree to disagree but I think they are limited at that. The main purpose of these "builds" are to OHKO opponents. By maximizing and stacking every buff possible to allow an instant kill to occur. No dispute there right?
Now as I was explaining these tactics of over buffing are free to be used in the game, anyone can use them and also see substantial increase in win ratio occur. No dispute there right? So where is the skill? As I have stated before in past posts I am a veteran player. I have played thousands of hours on both DS and DKS and platinum on both. Fought thousands of players on pvp. 99 percent all use buffs in one form or another. It is extremely rare to run into a real fighter who does not use any kind of buff, whether ring, item, or spell, in this game in order to compete. I guess many of you may not like the fact that I lump all buffs into a single category. But as I have said before it is "My own experience" that I am speaking from. Period. Because many of you do not play higher then 150 sl, which is limiting yourself to all challenges and different experiences of game play.
In the last six months I have seen at the most 20 players who I came across who did not employ any kind of buff to fight. These real veteran players, regardless of level, played the game in a very unique way that to me is very much respected and admired. 16 of these fighters were Japanese players. The other four were fellow forum members. Bushido, Martrys, Reim, and FinPeku. When I fought against these four guys they did not use any ring, spell, or item buff. They played a skill based style of fighting. Solely relying on skill alone. Again... solely relying on "Skill Alone". It is because of the way they chose to enter a fight against me , skill against skill, that I have the utmost respect for these true warriors of the DKS community. You see fighting buffers are a dime a dozen. This game is infested with players who simply rely on buffs to fight and yes buffs are not skill. Unfortunately some seem to think it is. But it's not. 6 months wading through a mound of crappy buffing players I find 20 diamonds who exhibit the fortitude to play in a skill based style that is very rare to find these days. If there was a Knights of the Roundtable these 20 would be in it.
Now I can already hear you guys snickering at this saying "Some of the guys use buffs." When I encountered them they did not. And I know when someone is buffing with Leo or Hornets. When I encountered all 20 including the forum 4 they faced me buff free. It is my belief that you who are of the mind that buffing is essential to your game play can learn a lot from these guys. More then a lot. I may not agree with everything these 4 may have to say on DKS, but that is what its suppose to be like in a community. Everyone is different. Where you find common ground and respect is on the battle field. And those who tend to challenge themselves by playing "no buffs" style earn my utmost respect. Because then there is no excuse to why you lost and the better skill at that time wins the day. Fortunately for me I won the day but these 20 guys along with the forum 4 are what DKS pvp is all about. Great "Skilled" players will bring the best out of you and raise your game to a higher level. There's nothing to be learned from a buffer and those fights along with the buffing player are easily forgotten. But when you run into that one Diamond of a player its those fights that stay with you days and months. I remember the 20 and all others I forget. Just my opin.
Well, you're on the right track with using paragraphs this time. Just, uh, smaller paragraphs next time please, I'm nearsighted.
Just to cover a few tidbits before I crash for the night, it's nearly four in the morning here..."And with that being said many still don't follow this because they seem to level between 125 to 130 or slightly more. I find it hypocritical but that's another subject all itself."
The misuse of hypocritical...it hurts...."Since I do not subscribe to the idea of "builds" I simply call them what they are...styles of fighting
Don't even know what to make of this. I don't mean any offense but your posts make my head hurt...lots of unfinished and unnecessarily overcomplicated thoughts with random big words tossed in and hsbdgdbg. Styles of fighting are not builds. Styles of fighting are the way you HANDLE builds in-game.
I'm already getting tired of quoting you (everything's tiring at four in the morning) so, I'll just respond without quoting and hope you can figure out what part of that massive wall of text I'm responding to.
I can't brag of spending thousands of hours on either of those games (really do wish I had that much free time, buuut...) but I've spent an excess of five hundred hours on Dark Souls, most of that PvP, and you're vastly exaggerating the number of buffing players. Buffs are common, but they're not THAT common, and before you pull the "just my experience" baloney again, no two players will have that vastly different amount of exposure to common elements playing the same game at the same levels for a large period of time.
Oh, what the hell, back to quoting you again."Because many of you do not play higher then 150 sl, which is limiting yourself to all challenges and different experiences of game play."
This is another of the many thoughts you had that I'm sure was great but doesn't exactly mean much in its current state since it's self-contradictory due to poor wording. So by sticking to standard levels, we are limiting
ourself to ALL
chall...wait, what?"In the last six months I have seen at the most 20 players who I came across who did not employ any kind of buff to fight
I really hope you say this counting green blossom as a buff, otherwise I call pure BS. I also find it doubtful that you happen to remember the nationality of sixteen random players you've met over a very extended period of time."This game is infested with players who simply rely on buffs to fight and yes buffs are not skill. Unfortunately some seem to think it is. But it's not. 6 months wading through a mound of crappy buffing players I find 20 diamonds who exhibit the fortitude to play in a skill based style that is very rare to find these days. If there was a Knights of the Roundtable these 20 would be in it."
I've respected you enough to refrain from insulting/discounting your opinions thusfar (I've simply defended mine) so I'm going to politely ask you refrain from stating your opinions (which are apparently in the minority) as undisputed fact. I'd also appreciate it if you didn't refer to buffers as crappy/imply they're all bad players/etc as that's an unfair and downright ignorant generalization.
Can't be bothered to keep quoting you, so, to reply to the rest of your post...
-I never claimed buffs were essential to my playstyle or that I relied on them. In fact, three of my five builds are variations on the standard quality build that don't utilize any buffs (unless you're counting green blossom as a buff). I simply stated that I highly disagree with your sweeping statement that buff builds require no skill/are easy mode/etc.
I'm sorry, I would keep going but I'm getting a bit sick of this and we're derailing the topic AND my eyelids are drooping, so....I'm obviously not going to change your opinion, so I'm simply going to ask that you stop generalizing and making sweeping statements that are, quite simply, both unjustified and untrue. Namely repeatedly making such ridiculous statements as "All buffers are crappy players" "Nothing can be learned from buffers" "Buffers are easy mode & tryhard" and all that fun shtuff.
TL;DR: I really don't have a problem with the fact that your opinion is different than mine. I have a problem with the manner and tone with which you've been stating your opinion.