Should i feel bad for using a no skill build in the forest?

lorenzo110 wrote:We will agree to disagree TooLeet. I believe you are wrong. Because of my experience in the game and how I had proven it to people who had your mind set. OHKO builds are called easy mode and try hard methods of fighting for a reason. Everyone here who is a "legit" veteran player knows this. The game is designed to be the most difficult to play for any gamer. Yet to make things easier on the player there are items and buffs designed into the game to allow it to be easy. Where is the real challenge of a OHKO play style? Really tell me I don't see it. I believe your must win at all cost mindset has kind of blinded you to the fact of why these items are called buffs. They are to provide the player with a greater advantage during pvp game play. Not harder...but easy. Hence "easy mode". If you choose to fight in easy mode then that is your choice as a player but you really are not challenging yourself as a true veteran player. Remember the game is supposed to be difficult, not easy. Again OHKO play style is called "easy mode" for a reason. Its easy to use and anyone can utilize this style of game play effectively. What is ignorant is a person saying buffs do not provide an advantage at all and it takes skill to use them. You are equating skill with item usage. They are both totally different. You can back stab without a hornet ring and darkmoon blade. The difference is one play style is designed to provide a OHKO amount of damage where the other is not, unless your fighting someone with almost no HP. I am sure even you recognize the difference right? Buff-spells, items, and rings designed to enhance weapon or spell damage output. Skill- dexterity or coordination especially in the execution of learned physical tasks. I hope you learn the difference between both because despite what you may think they really are two different things. What is ignorant is not knowing this. Just my opin.

lorenzo110 wrote:We will agree to disagree TooLeet. I believe you are wrong. Because of my experience in the game and how I had proven it to people who had your mind set. OHKO builds are called easy mode and try hard methods of fighting for a reason. Everyone here who is a "legit" veteran player knows this. The game is designed to be the most difficult to play for any gamer. Yet to make things easier on the player there are items and buffs designed into the game to allow it to be easy. Where is the real challenge of a OHKO play style? Really tell me I don't see it. I believe your must win at all cost mindset has kind of blinded you to the fact of why these items are called buffs. They are to provide the player with a greater advantage during pvp game play. Not harder...but easy. Hence "easy mode". If you choose to fight in easy mode then that is your choice as a player but you really are not challenging yourself as a true veteran player. Remember the game is supposed to be difficult, not easy. Again OHKO play style is called "easy mode" for a reason. Its easy to use and anyone can utilize this style of game play effectively. What is ignorant is a person saying buffs do not provide an advantage at all and it takes skill to use them. You are equating skill with item usage. They are both totally different. You can back stab without a hornet ring and darkmoon blade. The difference is one play style is designed to provide a OHKO amount of damage where the other is not, unless your fighting someone with almost no HP. I am sure even you recognize the difference right? Buff-spells, items, and rings designed to enhance weapon or spell damage output. Skill- dexterity or coordination especially in the execution of learned physical tasks. I hope you learn the difference between both because despite what you may think they really are two different things. What is ignorant is not knowing this. Just my opin.

lorenzo110 wrote:OK let me explain it to you guys this way. I do not play the game the way you seem to play it. Most here play via the 120 build restrictions rule. I don't buy that mind set. If the game devs believed in this cap they would have set max level at 120. And with that being said many still don't follow this because they seem to level between 125 to 130 or slightly more. I find it hypocritical but that's another subject all itself. Buffs are buffs we all agree with that because it seems none of you are disputing the idea that they are meant to make this game easier not harder. Whether it is a glass canon or other similar easy mode type styles of game play. Since I do not subscribe to the idea of "builds" I simply call them what they are...styles of fighting. And we can agree to disagree but I think they are limited at that. The main purpose of these "builds" are to OHKO opponents. By maximizing and stacking every buff possible to allow an instant kill to occur.  No dispute there right?

Now as I was explaining these tactics of over buffing are free to be used in the game, anyone can use them and also see substantial increase in win ratio occur. No dispute there right? So where is the skill? As I have stated before in past posts I am a veteran player. I have played thousands of hours on both DS and DKS and platinum on both. Fought thousands of players on pvp. 99 percent all use buffs in one form or another. It is extremely rare to run into a real fighter who does not use any kind of buff, whether ring, item, or spell, in this game in order to compete. I guess many of you may not like the fact that I lump all buffs into a single category. But as I have said before it is "My own experience" that I am speaking from. Period. Because many of you do not play higher then 150 sl, which is limiting yourself to all challenges and different experiences of game play.  

In the last six months I have seen at the most 20 players who I came across who did not employ any kind of buff to fight. These real veteran players, regardless of level, played the game in a very unique way that to me is very much respected and admired. 16 of these fighters were Japanese players. The other four were fellow forum members. Bushido, Martrys, Reim, and FinPeku. When I fought against these four guys they did not use any ring, spell, or item buff. They played a skill based style of fighting. Solely relying on skill alone. Again... solely relying on "Skill Alone". It is because of the way they chose to enter a fight against me , skill against skill, that I have the utmost respect for these true warriors of the DKS community. You see fighting buffers are a dime a dozen. This game is infested with players who simply rely on buffs to fight and yes buffs are not skill. Unfortunately some seem to think it is. But it's not. 6 months wading through a mound of crappy buffing players I find 20 diamonds who exhibit the fortitude to play in a skill based style that is very rare to find these days. If there was a Knights of the Roundtable these 20 would be in it.

Now I can already hear you guys snickering at this saying "Some of the guys use buffs." When I encountered them they did not. And I know when someone is buffing with Leo or Hornets. When I encountered all 20 including the forum 4 they faced me buff free. It is my belief that you who are of the mind that buffing is essential to your game play can learn a lot from these guys. More then a lot. I may not agree with everything these 4 may have to say on DKS, but that is what its suppose to be like in a community. Everyone is different. Where you find common ground and respect is on the battle field. And those who tend to challenge themselves by playing "no buffs" style  earn my utmost respect. Because then there is no excuse to why you lost and the better skill at that time wins the day. Fortunately for me I won the day but these 20 guys along with the forum 4 are what DKS pvp is all about. Great "Skilled" players will bring the best out of you and raise your game to a higher level. There's nothing to be learned from a buffer and those fights along with the buffing player are easily forgotten. But when you run into that one Diamond of a player its those fights that stay with you days and months. I remember the 20 and all others I forget. Just my opin.

lorenzo110 wrote:LOL well again I will simply state my opinion. And in your post you lost me with your criticizing of the word hypocrisy. You may want to look that up in a dictionary sometime buddy.  Because when people claim to be 120 players and they make these ridiculous comments about those fighting over 120 then it turns out they are not at all 120 fighters. Well I am sure you now see how "hypocrisy" is an appropriate word for those kinds of people my young friend. But hey good luck with your trying to nit pick there. Failed but oh well. So since you lost me there I find it really a lost cause to explain anything else to you. But hey good luck. And hit the books buddy. Hypocrisy. It's not that difficult a word to understand in the context of the paragraph. As Fez would say on "That 70s Show"...I said good day, sir!  Just my opin.