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    Post by his1n- Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:07 pm

    Alright guys, first of all, the title of course does not insult the
    entire community. Do you read the text below facepalming? ->Feel
    excluded.

    Now to the topic: We all know them, the people not knowing any feature
    of the game but WoG, 50000 ms backstabbers, BB glitchers, 3on1 parties
    waiting at spawnpoints, etc.
    I'm always like: Ah well whatever, I saw so many of them, let's just
    start the next invasion and eat a potatoe chip... But this time I just
    felt like having experienced the worst possible scenario of idiocy.

    The story:
    So here I am, performing a DW invasion with my level 9 build in Blighttown, spawning at the area of the boss.
    After I admitted no one is there, I ran towards the swamp, smartly equipping my iron ring.
    So, what is it what I see instantly?
    3, yes, THREE worthless BB glitchers in ONE game. All of them had the
    crystal catalyst, crystal soul masses, lightning zweihanders and a
    combination of Havel's/Gold Hemmed armor. I won't even ask why the
    leader doesn't kill Quelaag all alone...
    So we are in the middle of the swamp, they all trollfacing like hell,
    while I face them with a mixed medium armor (40 poise), Lifehunt
    Scythe/Grass shield/8 Great Combustions. (Answers also why I'm level 9,
    it's the lowest level possible to wear this Scythe.)
    Ergo: I'm at the GREATEST disadvantage possible, even the poison was on their gold hemmed side.
    Without describing details, I killed all 3 of them in a row, without
    backstabbing even once, without rage-switching to WoG (I'm not even able
    to)... just killed them because it was possible.
    Despite having any reason not to do so, I simply used a regular bow afterwards.
    And this is the end of the story: No indictment.

    Alright guys, the entire DW ladder is somewhat strangely ranked because
    of the way how you gather points... but even if you are the most
    autistic ultra sucker who knows nothing about Dark Souls but mashing the
    brainlessness-button and glitching the hell out of the heaven, you DO
    the job of pressing left+no-brainlessness to indict a player who clearly
    crushed all of your beliefs in a FAIR way, don't you? Even IF I'm a BB
    glitcher too, which I can't state at this state of the community without
    at least one person having at least one good reason to doubt it,
    killing 3 people THIS way under THESE conditions deserves one fucking
    point in the ladder where #1 has 2500, doesn't it?
    I, of course, checked his profile, his language, and asked him for the reason of this, somewhat kindly.
    His answer: : )


    Alright, I will tell you what the ONLY problem with Dark Souls is.
    Because it's the ONLY problem being present in ALL games. The
    possibility for everyone being able to play, pretty much, for everyone.
    Dark Souls needs more rules for multiplayer, not just +-10% level for coop... Like:
    - "somewhat" same amount of played/won PvPs for the red stone
    - "somewhat" same amount of souls obtained overall
    - "somewhat" same amount of time played with the respective character
    - "somewhat" same amount of slabs found (no trade)
    These are just drafts, but letting every everyone fighting every uber
    pro/newcomer/mega mormon can't be right, it never is. Companies just
    never found a good answer to that.

    Also, 1.06 please.
    ... PC version better is better at this topic.

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    Post by Serious_Much Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:12 pm

    his1n- wrote:Alright, I will tell you what the ONLY problem with Dark Souls is.
    Because it's the ONLY problem being present in ALL games. The
    possibility for everyone being able to play, pretty much, for everyone.
    Dark Souls needs more rules for multiplayer, not just +-10% level for coop... Like:
    - "somewhat" same amount of played/won PvPs for the red stone
    - "somewhat" same amount of souls obtained overall
    - "somewhat" same amount of time played with the respective character
    - "somewhat" same amount of slabs found (no trade)
    These are just drafts, but letting every everyone fighting every uber
    pro/newcomer/mega mormon can't be right, it never is. Companies just
    never found a good answer to that.

    I understand where you're coming from, but to be honest These ideas you have are too difficult to implement, and would mean it would limit who you could connect to too much.

    While yeah, the Glitchers and gankers are annoying, these are problems that cannot really be solved..

    I say just try to live with it, no other way about it :/
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    Post by meridam99 Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:15 pm

    I am a little confused...

    Are you happy you beat three BB glitched toons, upset that there were three BB glitched toons, or upset that they didn't indict you?
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    Post by aceluby Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:19 pm

    Nothing you suggested has anything to do with your story. You may have still been put on this guy and you still would not have been indicted. I don't understand the point of this thread.
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    Post by strangejoy Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:20 pm

    Woah there, big guy. First of all, if they were all capable of using TCC, they were probably in NG+ or ++ instead of BB glitching. Remember, BB glitching still requires that you have the stats to wield your gear. As I recall, it also doesn't get you your spells, so they must have already met Logan, which is impossible on the first run through in Blighttown. Finally, this doesn't sound like a bunch of campers. As far as I know, camping isn't common in Blighttown. The bottom line is that you probably invaded questers who weren't glitching, and yet you feel entitled to something because you managed to kill them while they were headed to Quelaag (great job by the way, but you're not entitled to anything from random invadees). Fyi, a lot of people don't indict unless the invader did something cheesy. Your opinion on the meaning of indictments isn't shared by all other players.

    edit: One last thing. Mr. 2500 indictments is probably doing something strange and tedious to get to that count. In a community of thousands of people, there will always be someone willing to invade his friends with a red soapstone 20 hours a day to get his desired record. Unless you want to be that guy, just enjoy the fighting and don't worry about the "leader board."


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    Post by Carphil Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:30 pm

    I get indicted by players who are camping and don't get indicted by players who are just trying to kill the boss. I think what he means in this thread, is that should be the completely opposite.
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    Post by Robotech Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:36 pm

    if you want to do invasions, you have to learn to live with these situations, dont expect to change the world, it is impossible. plus i agree with serious, the things you propose would limit your eligible hosts to very low numbers.

    you can be a holy paladin mentality person and act accordingly though, but i dont think this would change anything, sadly.

    for example i was once summoned in burg at lvl 150 from someone who wanted to farm invaders.. i said ok, lets do some pvp then, better than waiting forever for a decent boss co-op summon. Well the guy was a total jerk, he never bowed, he camped the spawning points and so on... after i saw that he was not going to give any invaders a fair fight, i send him a msg saying to stop acting like an idiot, then he started bowing to me like saying, 'yes', 'sorry' and so on... but went on and did the same things. Well to make the long story short, acting like the holy paladin i am (:p) i waved and white stoned my ass out of there. 99% he did not sweat over it but i did what was right for me, perhaps if we all do the same things might change a little.
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    Post by aceluby Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:37 pm

    Carphil wrote:I get indicted by players who are camping and don't get indicted by players who are just trying to kill the boss. I think what he means in this thread, is that should be the completely opposite.

    I don't see any patterns. Sometimes I get indicted, other times not. All depends on the player, just as sometimes I indict, others I don't, depends on how I'm feeling.
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    Post by strangejoy Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:41 pm

    The only pattern that I've noticed is that doing a gloating gesture typically results in an indictnment. That said, I rarely do a gloating gesture unless I think that the host was pathetic (farmers, etc.).
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    Post by Robotech Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:42 pm

    when invaders ruin my boss run i dont indict them, because i know that's what they want haha
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    Post by aceluby Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:53 pm

    Robotech wrote:when invaders ruin my boss run i dont indict them, because i know that's what they want haha

    I had to play offline to beat O&S because every single time I was going for the boss I would get invaded which would waste the casts I needed for the boss. Got WAY too frustrating, so I switched, summoned Solaire and took them down on the first try.

    I never would have indicted, but kept getting invaded by Japanese darkmoons.
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    Post by Nitos-Apprentice Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:01 pm

    Hm coolstorybro but I have to go with bullshit on this one considering if they all had crystal soulmass they had to have killed Seathe. So nice try griefing some low levels or just making the entire story up for attention.
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    Post by Carphil Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:03 pm

    Nitos-Apprentice wrote:Hm coolstorybro but I have to go with bullshit on this one considering if they all had crystal soulmass they had to have killed Seathe. So nice try griefing some low levels or just making the entire story up for attention.

    NG+ ?
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    Post by his1n- Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:21 pm

    meridam99 wrote:I am a little confused...

    Are you happy you beat three BB glitched toons, upset that there were three BB glitched toons, or upset that they didn't indict you?

    Only that I was not indicted.

    edit: One last thing. Mr. 2500 indictments is probably doing something
    strange and tedious to get to that count. In a community of thousands
    of people, there will always be someone willing to invade his friends
    with a red soapstone 20 hours a day to get his desired record. Unless
    you want to be that guy, just enjoy the fighting and don't worry about
    the "leader board."

    I'm absolutely aware of that, of course #1-~5 do nothing else but farming indictments with friends or probably even themselves, but it does not change the fact that all this just supports you to indict someone who finished you off fairly, because he won't reach #1 anyway. yes>no, fair play


    I didn't know you don't transfer spells using this glitch, so I guess they were NG+ players. <_< good to know
    I won't question anything anymore and just mark them as hyper noobs then, it does still NOT excuse the reason which made me upset.
    Even 3on1 campers at the Kiln who died (even if unfairly, like me just picking out WoG and spamming it) indicted me. But those Blighttown guys...

    All I'm saying is, no one in the history of Dark Souls had a more solid reason to give away an indictment. No one. Yet they just failed at being fair to a legendary degree.


    @ the guy who stated that not even one of my suggestions could've prevented this from happening:
    All of them could've prevented that, as not a single of the values I referred to is known about the player(s) of my story.
    I know that all of my suggestions are rather stupid than clever, elseway this problem wouldn't exist in any game, as no company ever came up with a solid answer for any title. I'm just saying, with any kind of improvement this immensely fat game we speak of could be much more enjoyable than it already is. Or rather, more constantly.
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    Post by RANT Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:26 pm

    wog is a legit miracle, not op at all and easy to dodge. if the had CSS they didnt use the bb glitch cause bb glitch doesnt let you transfer spells. when you invade you invade up so you probably invaded someone with a higher sl than you. and when you invade you should expect people to throw everything they got at you cause youre out to ruin their boss run, after all you are invading, never expect a fair fight anywhere.
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    Post by Doelker Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:02 pm

    Well, I take indictment as a reward for the Invader, so if he invades me and doesn't let me finish the sentinels in Anor Londo but instead he BS with a lightning Zweihander... Well, obviously he wont get it from me. I was going for O&S. I don't like PvP too much because all of its related issues and glitches, I love doing co-op though.

    Anyway, If I loose in a "fair" fight, then yes, he'll get indicted.
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    Post by aceluby Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:11 pm

    What exactly did you want to prevent from happening? I don't understand the point of this thread at all except a veiled attempt at a brag.

    You can't force indictments.
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    Post by Scudman_Slayer Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:29 pm

    im sorry
    but from what i understanded you were grieving because invading at blightown with that level that you get when you're in anor londo looks like grieving to me

    being level nine holding high level stuff is grieving to me
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    Post by Dustofsaturn Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:30 pm

    ^ That and

    Am I seriously the only one who DOESN'T buy indictments?
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    Post by strangejoy Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:34 pm

    Dustofsaturn wrote:^ That and

    Am I seriously the only one who DOESN'T buy indictments?

    You only need one after 1.05. But no, you're not the only one. I've never bought an indictment. I don't see the point, don't care if people want to be indicted, and don't want to feed the darkmoons.
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    Post by Carphil Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:39 pm

    never bought because I don't like Oswald
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    Post by xXDaemonarchXx Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:59 pm

    Serious_Much wrote:
    his1n- wrote:Alright, I will tell you what the ONLY problem with Dark Souls is.
    Because it's the ONLY problem being present in ALL games. The
    possibility for everyone being able to play, pretty much, for everyone.
    Dark Souls needs more rules for multiplayer, not just +-10% level for coop... Like:
    - "somewhat" same amount of played/won PvPs for the red stone
    - "somewhat" same amount of souls obtained overall
    - "somewhat" same amount of time played with the respective character
    - "somewhat" same amount of slabs found (no trade)
    These are just drafts, but letting every everyone fighting every uber
    pro/newcomer/mega mormon can't be right, it never is. Companies just
    never found a good answer to that.

    I understand where you're coming from, but to be honest These ideas you have are too difficult to implement, and would mean it would limit who you could connect to too much.

    While yeah, the Glitchers and gankers are annoying, these are problems that cannot really be solved..

    I say just try to live with it, no other way about it :/
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    Post by Scudman_Slayer Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:23 pm

    gee no wonder people hate the darkmoons


    Level 9 lifehunt scyther with medium armor that gives off 40 poise

    Grieving much? what you're gonna invade low levels to own them because they won't have any equipment?

    hm maybe they didn't indict you because they though you were a griever and didn't deserve it? i mean its totally possible i mean level 9 with a lifehunt sctyhe is quite hard not to call grievin


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    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:34 pm

    you used cracked RED orbs right? i've had those things glitch and have my lvl 15 DW invade a lvl 176 BKGA user... it's quite possible you invaded a ng+ specially with those spells.
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    Post by aceluby Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:35 pm

    sparkly-twinkly-lizard wrote:you used cracked RED orbs right? i've had those things glitch and have my lvl 15 DW invade a lvl 176 BKGA user... it's quite possible you invaded a ng+ specially with those spells.

    There's no upper limit for DW...

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