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    Post by cloudyeki Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:33 am

    Dafaq? If he does my crystal weapons, then something strange is going on.

    I realize it's from Oz, just as Emit Force is from Catarina. Outland spells are bizarre as they have no connection to current spells. Maybe Catarina has it's own religion?
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    Post by DoughGuy Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:37 am

    Ah ok, sorry cloud misunderstood what you were saying.
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    Post by cloudyeki Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:40 am

    It's fine Dough. I really enjoy these speculations and theories. It's why I started this thread.
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    Post by Imarreteet23 Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:48 am

    So now what i'm wondering: if places have different religions, then shouldn't you only be able to do miracles from one region? Like, if i practice the Catarina religion, then how can i do emit force as well as karmic justice, which is from Cairm? Wouldn't that be like a christian trying to practice buddism?
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    Post by cloudyeki Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:55 am

    Polytheist maybe?
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    Post by Imarreteet23 Fri Apr 06, 2012 12:59 am

    Possibly. Quite frankly, the religions of Dark Souls confuse me to no end.
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    Post by cloudyeki Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:04 am

    They draw inspiration from both roman, christian, and norse religions from what I've seen. Lucky me I'm a pyromancer so I only have nature and Quelana to answer too.
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    Post by Imarreteet23 Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:12 am

    I've got papa Nito and Alvania.

    And on an unrelated note: Pretty sure I just saw your age go up. Happy birthday!
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    Post by cloudyeki Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:19 am

    Gratis. I've still 3 hours but it's fine.

    Alvina is the leader, so I do report to her. Le sigh, I wanna be on the hunt right now, so I can finally test out the Demon Machete.

    back on topic, what is the consensus on Soul magic?
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    Post by Imarreteet23 Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:29 am

    Well, it is generally agreed that archtrees are the original catylasts. It is also agreed that casting sorceries is extremly taxing, thus the limited uses. Furthermore, it is hypothesised that soul magic might actually draw its power from your very soul, which is why you need intelligence, so that you can form the sorcery. And lasly, soul magic seems to be the most scientific of the magic schools, so it is possible that a large number of sorcerers are atheists.
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    Post by DoughGuy Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:42 am

    That looks like a good summary. Now do we move on to topic 3 pyromancy or was that already covered? I'm sorry professor but I forgot to revise the subject, too busy in Melee 103 - Your club and their head, they should meet.
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    Post by cloudyeki Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:46 am

    Very first post dough. My mini-lecture. I'd love to hear your thoughts on pyromancy though.
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    Post by DoughGuy Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:54 am

    Almost straight copy paste from my earlier post -
    Pyromancy draws on the power of the first flam, just updated a few thingse and the chaos flame through the pyromancers own inner flame. The person can only draw so much of each power through their own flame before the flame is exhausted. Resting at a bonfire refills the flames reserves and allows new castngs. The chaos pyromancies draw upon the chaos flame while the normal pyromancies draw upon the first flame. Upgrading the casters own flame increases the amount of flame they can draw BUT the flames are more powerful using up a greater amount of their own flame effectively cancelling this out..
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    Post by Tolvo Fri Apr 06, 2012 1:56 am

    Yet aspects of Pyromancy also work like the fire of kiln, the flame of Bonfires in that they are empowered via humanity. We can see this in the fire of chaos.
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    Post by cloudyeki Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:00 am

    From a technical stand point that is correct. Chaos fires feed off from the bed of chaos and humanity. Normal fires are fed by the pyromancer's own humanity and his will. Atleast that's how I see it by lore. I am really enraptured by it, it's no wonder I can come up with that entire lecture.

    I wonder what would happen to pyromancy if you don't link the flame. Would all pyromancy be lost?
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    Post by Tolvo Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:02 am

    Probably not, remember Pyromancy was born out of the flame of Chaos as we know it, but the flames of many have caused it to split. If you killed all of the teachers of Pyromancy in the world, yes. But I'm pretty sure the same thing would happen if you killed every teacher of Sorcery or Miracles. And then, there are always pioneers.
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    Post by DoughGuy Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:03 am

    Yes. Thats why the witch of izalith tried to recrete the second flame. because when the first went out the fire sorceries died.
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    Post by cloudyeki Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:05 am

    Fills me with relief I will never lose my flame. ahahaha, it would seem I've come to nurture my flame extremely well, seeing how well it can toast anyone who comes against me now.

    That leaves the dragon head stone and dragon torso stone, the only 2 catalysts for the Path of the Dragon covenant.
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    Post by Imarreteet23 Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:06 am

    Are they really considered catylasts?
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    Post by Tolvo Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:07 am

    But riddle me this batman, why would Pyromancy still exist after the bed of Chaos? I feel its more so unlike the original flame, this new form of pyromancy doesn't draw from anything else. Meaning that as long as one pyromancer exists, this flame lives on through its many embers similar to the flame of disparity. Thus, Quelana, Mr. E, Laur, and you basically become the last living relatives of Chaos, and continue the legacy passing it down over time.
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    Post by cloudyeki Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:09 am

    I see the stones as such. They are required to gain the head and body, and then you use the stones to use the breath and the roar.

    One of the teachings in pyromancy is sharing the flame. Sharing the flame creates a bond between the two, either friendship like Laurentias, or mentor and student, like with Quelana.
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    Post by DoughGuy Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:12 am

    If theres one thing FROM should have done it was make your actions have effects. Now yes they already did that for NPCs and stuff but not for bosses. Killing the bed should undo demons and stop the chaos pyromancies from working but it does nothing. So I could suppose you could argue that pyromacers dont actually draw from either flame but from their own flame, which mutates everytime they get a new spell and basically stores that spell within the flame.
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    Post by Tolvo Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:22 am

    "Stone imbued with the power of dragons. Rite of apostles of the ancient dragons. Gain head of dragon. Emit dragon breath.
    The dragon apostles seek ascendence of life itself, attainable by transformation into an ancient dragon.
    This rite is only one step, but it cannot be reversed until death."

    "Stone imbued with the power of the dragons. Rite of apostles of the ancient dragons. Gain torso of dragon. Roar like a dragon.
    The dragon apostles seek transcendence of life itself, attainable by transformation into an ancient dragon. This rite is only one step, but it cannot be reversed until death."

    "Online play item. Find a player who has acquired a Dragon Scale and invade that player's world to pillage it.
    An art of the transcendent apostles who pray to the ancient dragons. To be alive is to be vulnerable, and the fiery Gods are no exception. The apostles seek another plane of existence, which transcends life."

    Just felt like I should post these here for quick reference.
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    Post by cloudyeki Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:24 am

    I suppose Pyromancy is closer to Sorcery than to Miracles. The pyromancer shapes and forms his flame to use it. It seems that if it was a real thing, it would be that those who are creative can use the flame for any situation. Like a utility knife. Every spell is the Pyromancer shaping his fire to create a new use. The mists are likely the ash of the flame, tainted with the waste of the inner body (if you understand that you will understand why blight town's swamp is poisonous) undead rapport is an interesting spell that uses the hollow's desire (most likely for humanity) to control them, and as I said before, use the flame to actualize the inner self.

    Thank you tolvo. I do believe the stones are a sort of catalyst to transform and use the dragons' natural abilities.
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    Post by Imarreteet23 Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:27 am

    Thank you Tolvo. In the dragon head/torso it says that its a "rite." Isn't a rite like a religious ceremony?

    Edit: And wouldn't that technically mean that the path of the dragons is somwhat faith based?

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