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    Post by Shabbalaba Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:59 pm

    Yeah, I think the secret to this game is staying in that cell you start off in. look at all the anguish you bring about.storywise, deaths, eyes hurt... You get the secret ending if u toss the key back up to oscar, and shrug "nah. i'm good thanks"


    Hahahh, that made me laugh "nahh, im good" - but in all seriousness i have thought the big secret would be in your initial cell, a few ideas that i had but have not tried yet

    - upgrading the blacksmiths hammers and than using the 2-handed R2 attack to try and break thru the 'rock' walls
    - Not taking the estus flask from oscar (if thats possible?)
    - trying to use one of the aoe heals to heal him
    - wearing a specific armor set / helmet and than talking to oscar - maybe he will remember you? In the sense this whole adventure is a game to see if you are worthy of "insert unknown epic secret"



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    Post by baby_beavis Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:33 am

    I thought the pickaxe was a better shot, because it's what Vamos uses to open his shortcut, plus someone mentioned From had the pickaxe used like that in another game.

    No, the Estus flask is forced on you. U have to pick up the cell key, and pilgrim key if u killed Asylum demon, from where oscar dies, and the flash gets pick up too. No flask = no get to get out asylum. To me that also meant it's not a bad thing for what we want to figure.

    On the disguise, I think we could go crazy trying different sets on different NPCs, but it's worth a try, cuz I think Anastasia and Iron Tarkus would be worth a shot.

    By the way, as you mentioned the blacksmith hammer, i thought you were going to say to use it on gates, cell doors, etc. That came to mind because I was looking at the gate behind Capra Demon last night (there looks like there's half a town back there). Otherwise it's a good idea on all iron doors imo.
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    Post by Pesth Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:46 pm

    did someone ever upgraded a pickaxe to +5 chaos or +10 fire or +5 hammer of vamos and hitted every single wooden / iron door in the game? :face:
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    Post by FattyOfDoom Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:36 am

    First of all, if Beatrice was in Gywn's family it would make sense as people "believe" Velka is the mother, Velka has purple magic, in the DLC trailer they see a witch that is believed to be Beatrice!

    And someone mentioned reading the grave mentioned "get" and "hat"

    Try wearing Beatrice hat, and dropping pendant?
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    Post by baby_beavis Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:02 am

    FattyOfDoom wrote:First of all, if Beatrice was in Gywn's family it would make sense as people "believe" Velka is the mother, Velka has purple magic, in the DLC trailer they see a witch that is believed to be Beatrice!

    Yeah I noticed that too. Pretty dope if you ask me, but still I can't make any usefull connection. Plus the Gwyn family is not in my expertise or strong point, far from it. I was just trying to think if it was Gwynevere that left Anor Londo and was still alive, and if it's at all possible it's her, since there is her painting in that room, like if it was her actual bedroom. I don't know who the dude with the moustash could be though.

    FattyOfDoom wrote:And someone mentioned reading the grave mentioned "get" and "hat"

    Try wearing Beatrice hat, and dropping pendant?

    Tried both, even dropped the hat for good measure, needless to say I lost the hat. It was worth trying to see if it ends up in the firelink chest though. That's why I asked him if he was kidding. Dunno if you need some other conditions.
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    Post by About8547Souls Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:15 am

    I'll just throw it out there that Beatrice's 'hat' isn't the only item that is out of order. Pharis's Hat is also out of order. Even though it didn't come with the Hunter set, it's clearly meant to be the hat piece that is missing in the beginning. Heck his hat even comes with a bow lol. It's a lot like the Priest Cap, you don't get it in the beginning but it is part of the set either way. Why not try dropping his hat somewhere?
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    Post by baby_beavis Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:49 am

    I was looking at the desciption of the pharis hat yesterday, coincidently. Curious about why it's adored by children. Dunno if that is supposed to mean something, or if From find their inner poet when writing stuff in this game. In anycase I can't try anything on Sif, since killed on all my test characters right now.

    At the moment I am farming for 1 titanite slab to upgrade a pickaxe to +15. I'm gonna go try it on the wall's at Sen's Fortress, behind Iron Golem and in that corridor with the balder knight. I've heard people wonder about these. If anyone has a full raw or other path, feel free to hack away if you have some time.

    P.S. I was also thinking Sen's Fortress because of that "Traps Road" think that From mentioned, in case you are aware of that.
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    Post by Scirvir Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:38 am

    The Firelink Firekeeper's soul is also 'out of order' there's the first string of five or six, a couple items, then hers.
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    Post by baby_beavis Sun Jul 15, 2012 11:21 am

    There could be something there, but her's is also the only one with an extra use compared to the others, with the Lautrec thing and restoring it. The thing about anastasia i find interesting is that she is about the only human, NPC, and presumably friendly in the game that appears in the prologue; amongst the Lords, Gods, or w/e, and the Dragons.

    She's also in that video or trailer where Oscar walks away slowly and does that wave to his back, with Iron Tarkus and Anastasia beside the firelink bonfire. These 3 seem to be the only group we are kinda tied to, in the sense that we are human, undead, and supposedly working on the same mission the way I look at it. (even if we not so sure what it is). Everyone else in the game has some ties or service to the gods, part of some scheme that does not seem to benefit humans; and i don't trust either serpent. The only other curious character, excluding Solaire and Onion, is Priscilla, since it says that even the gods feared her lifehunt abilities, which makes me think she is not all that gods friendly. Plus, if the doll is undoubted;y her's, why was it in the cell were we start off, where the undead are imprisoned?

    On a different note, I just found out that the symbol of avarace kills you even resting at a bonefire. So if u take too long to go make a quick cup of tea, u might die a few times over, and loose about a million souls, and 79 humanity. hurray!
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    Post by Scirvir Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:21 pm

    Speaking of her, does anyone know if the black eye orb carries over to NG+'s?

    Something else I noticed, the shiny murals on either side of the statue in the Parish depict 2/3 of a chimera. The lion head is on the bottom, then it's a man offering something, a goat head, and on top is a dragon head. It's kinda hard to distinguish, but maybe there's a snake in there somewhere. Or maybe the dragon head is actually a snake with long ears..or big eyebrows. happy
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    Post by skarekrow13 Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:14 pm

    I don't think it carries over and I've looked at those plates a good deal. To me out looks like it depicts too much of the man to be a chimera. They're not very detailed though so my man, lion and dragon all paying tribute to the goddess interpretation is open for argument
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    Post by Shabbalaba Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:44 pm

    In the dark souls design works book - there are clear pictures of the mural.

    Can I embed the picture in this thread ? Or do i have to upload it to a 3rd party site and than provide the link? (wondering if its ok to embeded a small file sized jpeg)
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    Post by About8547Souls Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:56 pm

    I believe you can post the link. I may be wrong though.
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    Post by Shabbalaba Sun Jul 15, 2012 10:52 pm

    Im on my iphone - anyone know how to upload a picture ??

    I tried to copy and paste directly into the thread but it wont let me.

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    Post by Scirvir Mon Jul 16, 2012 12:22 am

    I just saw the scan in the forum.. There's two goats on top. No dragon. But the dude and lion are there. I wonder if it symbolizes Ornstein in any way. Then again, it might just be a guy, a lion, and two goats. FROM probably just slaps stuff together and let's us think there's a connection.. I wonder if they're taking applications for story director?? happy There's also a pic that shows Andre pushing that very statue over for a young lass so she can get into the passage behind it. Cool. Looks like they had WAY more planned for the game.
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    Post by Federally Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:19 am

    Shabbalaba wrote:Im on my iphone - anyone know how to upload a picture ??

    I tried to copy and paste directly into the thread but it wont let me.


    Counting from the right click the 6th button. It opens a little dialog that let's you host pics. It will grab photos straight out of the gallery on my Android phone so should work for you. It also resizes the image for the forum. Then just copy paste the link and wrap it with Img brackets and we can see it.
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    Post by baby_beavis Mon Jul 16, 2012 9:06 am

    While on the subject, does anyone have any insight to the mural in that painting guardian's building?

    The one with a woman up top, furnace thing with flame in the middle, and some other thing at the bottom.
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    Post by ublug Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:50 am

    https://soulswiki.forumotion.com/t4931-dark-souls-design-works-wip#86603
    The undead parish mural shows a man and beasts making offerings to the altar/goddess. The beasts have something that looks like wheat in their mouths, and the man is offering what looks like an egg. The wheat might tie into the decorations in anor londo, which shows an oven and a bread basket. As for the egg, it could just be a bird's egg, but I've also noticed that when you pop a humanity it takes the shape of an egg in your hand. This might also relate to the chaos covenant leader, where each of her eggs is a cradle for a single humanity.
    The parish altar is most likely the way of white covenant location, you can also see the murals more detailed in the dynamic theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQyMgehry8s&feature=player_detailpage#t=210s
    I was hoping the mural held some clues about how to level in the wow covenant, if it is possible at all. I was also watching an LP some time ago, the guys ps3 was on its last legs and had all sorts of graphical glitches, where breakable items and some doors were glitched, but also four of the eight parish church statues, and only the ones at each end: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTYkMzLcudE The statues can't be broken, so maybe they are some kind of trigger (four statues - four generic fire keeper souls etc)?
    I'm also a bit puzzled by the mural background, the angular decorations, which are more reminiscent of the gigantic spears surrounding the old one in demons souls.
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    Post by RandelOolacile Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:56 am

    About pickaxe and upgrade paths. I always thought that maybe taking the pickaxe and making it raw +5 was the way to go since raw upgrades seem to have no practical value. I posted this in glyphs thread when I joined, actually it's why I joined, bit I think I was ignored. =P
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    Post by baby_beavis Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:56 pm

    While brushing up on those last 2 posts, I came across this. Maybe some of you have seen it, for others have a read. I think it's good, ******* fatty, but still confused.

    http://www.gamespot.com/dark-souls/forum/wait-a-munute-extended-petrus-theory-with-spoilers-63309413/


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    Post by baby_beavis Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:39 am

    @ublug thanks for the links.

    I don't know why people didn't look into that glitched graphics ps3 thing more. prolly is a way to imitate that with old tv, wrong pal/ntsc mixed settings, dodge setup, etc..

    @ Mudo, making a raw one now, for good measure. but all in all, i think hitting statues too wouldn't be a bad idea.

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    Anyway, every now and then you tend to forget these lore riddles, I think, like me, people get a bit sick of following dead ends mainly because there seems to be some well crafted plots and clues in the game, highly mixed with random ****. If you look in too deep, you risk going into a maze of infinite loops, if you take everything at face value, you miss stuff that might make more sense and save you a lot of time testing **** out. So I just have a couple of simple questions in case someone knows something about them, from some discussions or personal opinion. You know, for future reference.

    1 - In the Knightess dialogue, she says that each firekeeper or w/e is linked to each other, but shall never meet. Does that mean having all 7 souls on you, is in a way, making them meet? Like hinting to some ritual?

    2 - Dormhall - Looking at his chest piece, I'd thought this guy could easily loose a couple of medals or pendants while simple reaching for t.p., and don't know what to make of this ninja looter. But looking close at the medals, is that one of priscilla? on the front bottom row (the white one). And a little above it, seems like a woman's head, like in the mother/baby statues. Dunno. Anyway, will try a playthrough with his armor, plus killing him after I get masterkey.

    P.S Note he also has two daggers in the armor.
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    Post by Eolan Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:26 am

    baby_beavis wrote:While brushing up on those last 2 posts, I came across this. Maybe some of you have seen it, for others have a read. I think it's good, ******* fatty, but still confused.

    http://www.gamespot.com/dark-souls/forum/wait-a-munute-extended-petrus-theory-with-spoilers-63309413/


    Interesting, i think allot of people have speculated he's up to absolutely no good but i have to spoil it a little bit. Petrus uses estus himself, therteby making him an undead...


    Is it possible that the way of the white is a more unsavory covenant than we have assumed, and that hunting undead and doing mean things in the name of the allfather is the way to level up in it?
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    Post by Federally Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:41 am

    Thorolund and WoW send their undead on suicide missions in Lordran. Maybe Petrus is trying to gain favor by murdering undead so he can be granted a pardon.
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    Post by skarekrow13 Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:57 am

    My personal opinion is that the way of white is the "church" archetype covenant. A lot of the covenants mimic different organizations or groups relatively well Forest Hunters = bandit group,
    dragons = martial arts clan,
    Darkwraiths = assassins,
    Princess guard = illuminati or free masons,
    Sun bros = biker gang (many actually mobilize for very good deeds),
    Darkmoon = police
    Etc.....

    With that in mind, I've posted this before, all of the known Way of White chracters (Petrus, Rhea, Penn and Teller, and Leeroy) all are representative of subdivisions of a typical church. Rhea is the blind faith and devotion Fanatic to the point of using faith and adherence to church guidelines to establish hierarchy (remember she won't give you the time of day at first as you aren't worthy to be in her presence). Penn and Teller represent the devout but not fanatic and are the most noble in my opinion. The silent one is the winner as he is on the mission and makes no complaint about it. It's assumed (by me) that he believes in the cause but won't hold your differences against you. The other one believes in Rhea, possibly not their gods. He backs up her as being special and is along for the mission but expresses doubt. He's the realistic person in the church. I believe in being good and the tenets but you haven't sold me on everything yet. Leeroy is the archetype of the Paladin. Send me in. "Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,I will fear no evil: For thou art with me."

    That leaves sticky old Petrus. It's no secret that many churches have had their scandal from time to time. Misappropriation of funds? Oh god yeah. Misuse of Church resources? Check. Murder in the name of God? Uh huh. Systemic sex abuse scandal? You betcha.

    People recall the murder part regarding Petrus and leave it at that. I've pointed out a few times now that he's far more sinister than just the simple murder of a mostly helpless girl. Before the murder if you talk to him he suggests that you take care of her. In fact, he says something to the effect of "Why dear Rhea is up there all alone and helpless. One could do just about anything they wanted with her and no one would be the wiser." Petrus seems a clear vision of the evils that can be hidden in organized religion. Evil is ok.....as long as no one finds out twisted

    With that being said, I just thought of something for the "There's more to them thread." Off I go!
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    Post by User Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:02 pm

    That is a Lie; His sins will always follow him, as the Goddess is always watching. With this, the Pardoner always knows full well what sins are done in this world of Lordran.

    Such an interesting power, to know when anyone commits a Sin... I wonder what Lautrec had done to that poor old man with all his coins. He seems to have killed a sinner of all things, or at least Lautrec confronted the man...

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