I'm a little worried

Animaaal wrote:

ak1287 wrote:Sort of. I'm apathetic to the whole thing. I do think it's more reasonable to believe that they'd be a bit more descriptive in the introduction rather than make the first portion of the game easier. I could even see it being somethign other than the signs; a dedicated NPC who provides training.

As am I. I dont even care if there's a difficulty setting. Any of the following are cool with me:

a) Breeze mode for casuals who are getting absolutely r**** by the experience. Can you imagine?...Dark Souls 2, first time playing? lol.

b) The ability to complete the game in half the time. All the while no sacrifices are made to gains such as: boss souls, weapons and basic treasures. Only certain "special" non-game breaking treasures would be allowed on higher difficulty settings. It makes up for the loss of the dupe glitch and the bottomless box glitch. So just as long as you do not gain as many souls as in other play modes, even new game pluses.

c) Allowing a newer player to gain, almost, as much equippment as possible to be on a level playing field with myself and others.

Just as long as this:

It does not effect pvp environments. I want no enemy defenses, damages, and aggros affected in any way. I'm adding difficulty to their game. Thats enough for me. So long as the enemies around aren't getting killed with +0 hilts I don't care.

I'd also love to see a sparring partner to test stuff on. I know its not necessary, but I'm lazy about some things.

DE5PA1R wrote:I don't think I could comprehend a Souls tutorial easier than those in DeS and DkS. I didn't even die in the DeS tutorial my first time playing the game (of course I did get killed by Vanguard, but that doesn't count). And I was seriously bad.

Also, making the story more straightforward makes the game easier by definition. Its effect on gameplay is irrelevant.

ak1287 wrote:

DE5PA1R wrote:I don't think I could comprehend a Souls tutorial easier than those in DeS and DkS. I didn't even die in the DeS tutorial my first time playing the game (of course I did get killed by Vanguard, but that doesn't count). And I was seriously bad.

Also, making the story more straightforward makes the game easier by definition. Its effect on gameplay is irrelevant.

I really don't think we're using the same definition of straightforward.... Or really what would constitute making a game easier.

DE5PA1R wrote:

ak1287 wrote:

DE5PA1R wrote:I don't think I could comprehend a Souls tutorial easier than those in DeS and DkS. I didn't even die in the DeS tutorial my first time playing the game (of course I did get killed by Vanguard, but that doesn't count). And I was seriously bad.

Also, making the story more straightforward makes the game easier by definition. Its effect on gameplay is irrelevant.

I really don't think we're using the same definition of straightforward.... Or really what would constitute making a game easier.

Part of the difficulty of the Souls games was puzzling through their convoluted storylines.

All else being equal, a game with an easy-to-understand story is easier than one with a difficult-to-understand story.

DE5PA1R wrote:I'm not messing up anything. I haven't said anything about instruction. I'm talking about the story. Because the story is convoluted.

What happened to Oolacile? Why did Seath visit it and capture the Pendant? When did Seath go crazy? What happened to the Pygmy? Who or what broke the tree at Ashe Lake? How did that skull get there? Why is there still an everlasting dragon? Why isn't he hostile? Why can't he move, and why is he mutated? What caused the Undead outbreak? Which primordial serpent is telling the truth? Are they in on it together?

These are all story-related questions. We can provide answers or theories with varying degrees of accuracy or confidence only after doing buttloads of difficult research. Hardly simple.

Also, Fight Club was not confusing.

DE5PA1R wrote:I'm not messing up anything. I haven't said anything about instruction. I'm talking about the story. Because the story is convoluted.

What happened to Oolacile? Why did Seath visit it and capture the Pendant? When did Seath go crazy? What happened to the Pygmy? Who or what broke the tree at Ashe Lake? How did that skull get there? Why is there still an everlasting dragon? Why isn't he hostile? Why can't he move, and why is he mutated? What caused the Undead outbreak? Which primordial serpent is telling the truth? Are they in on it together?

These are all story-related questions. We can provide answers or theories with varying degrees of accuracy or confidence only after doing buttloads of difficult research. Hardly simple.

Also, Fight Club was not confusing.

Serious_Much wrote:I honestly don't know how to explain this to you any further, as your views seem to root entirely in an idea that isn't really true; that a change to the story will change the difficulty, when they are two completely distinct things.

DE5PA1R wrote:

Serious_Much wrote:I honestly don't know how to explain this to you any further, as your views seem to root entirely in an idea that isn't really true; that a change to the story will change the difficulty, when they are two completely distinct things.

You're missing one of the primary elements that makes the Souls games so great: they're consistent. The gameplay is hard. The story is hard to understand. The mechanics, like poise or equipment burden, are hard to figure out. Everything is hard. This was only made possible by an approach completely opposite to your thinking; making a game is like creating and then assembling a puzzle. If one piece is lost or out of whack, it's just junk.

More to the point, you're thinking that game and gameplay are the same. They're not.

A game consists of everything on the disc and associated artwork, cover art, instruction manual, marketing materials, etc. It includes combat mechanics, control scheme, color palette, lighting, art direction, graphics, storyline, story (which is different from storyline), music, enemies, pacing, architecture, NPCs, etc.

The gameplay is a narrow subset of things within the game. Combat mechanics, control scheme, enemies - those sorts of things.

Making the story more straightforward or accessible would make the game easier but would not effect the gameplay.

The story is not hard to understand, Dark Souls basically has little to no story.
The story is: You are undead. Go ring this bell, go ring that bell, get Lordvessel and kill Gwyn.
All the rest is LORE. Lore and story are not the same thing.
They have said the story will be deeper and more straightforward in its telling in DkS II, this is a good thing. They didn't say the lore would be like that, it's likely to stay very cryptic.

DE5PA1R wrote:1. An account or recital of an event or a series of events, either true or fictitious, as:
a. An account or report regarding the facts of an event or group of events: The witness changed her story under questioning.
b. An anecdote: came back from the trip with some good stories.
c. A lie: told us a story about the dog eating the cookies.
2.
a. A usually fictional prose or verse narrative intended to interest or amuse the hearer or reader; a tale.
b. A short story.
3. The plot of a narrative or dramatic work.
4. A news article or broadcast.
5. Something viewed as or providing material for a literary or journalistic treatment: "He was colorful, he was charismatic, he was controversial, he was a good story" (Terry Ann Knopf).
6. The background information regarding something: What's the story on these unpaid bills?
7. Romantic legend or tradition: a hero known to us in story.
tr.v. sto·ried, sto·ry·ing, sto·ries
1. To decorate with scenes representing historical or legendary events.
2. Archaic To tell as a story.

You're thinking storyLINE or plot.

Frank_White wrote:Lore and plot are not synonymous. I can tell you the difference.

Animaaal wrote:lore and story are synonomous

Frank_White wrote:...Lore and plot are not synonymous. I can tell you the difference...

DE5PA1R wrote:

Frank_White wrote:Lore and plot are not synonymous. I can tell you the difference.

WE KNOW THAT. NOBODY SAID OTHERWISE.

Frank_White wrote:

DE5PA1R wrote:

Frank_White wrote:Lore and plot are not synonymous. I can tell you the difference.

WE KNOW THAT. NOBODY SAID OTHERWISE.

Uhm yes, Animaaal just said they are synonymous. Now he said it again. What's the matter with you, take a chill pill man. Your blood pressure OK?

DE5PA1R wrote:

Frank_White wrote:

DE5PA1R wrote:

Frank_White wrote:Lore and plot are not synonymous. I can tell you the difference.

WE KNOW THAT. NOBODY SAID OTHERWISE.

Uhm yes, Animaaal just said they are synonymous. Now he said it again. What's the matter with you, take a chill pill man. Your blood pressure OK?

No, he said story and lore are synonymous. Read before posting.

Accumulated facts, traditions, or beliefs about a particular subject. See Synonyms at knowledge.

An account or recital of an event or a series of events, either true or fictitious

I want the story revolving around the Main Character to be more straightforward, as in my opinion it sucks and could be more detailed

Frank_White wrote:

DE5PA1R wrote:

Frank_White wrote:

DE5PA1R wrote:

Frank_White wrote:Lore and plot are not synonymous. I can tell you the difference.

WE KNOW THAT. NOBODY SAID OTHERWISE.

Uhm yes, Animaaal just said they are synonymous. Now he said it again. What's the matter with you, take a chill pill man. Your blood pressure OK?

No, he said story and lore are synonymous. Read before posting.

Oh so that's how it is. Who is it that's trolling after all... You and Animaaal obviously, because I've already many posts ago said I meant storyline with story. Why do you two go on acting as if I'm talking about story in general, when you know that's not what I was talking about?
Bunch of trolls...