Analysis Series: Astora Updated Orignal Post

Sir Mandred wrote:Its been a recurring trend to apparently "see no evil, hear no evil or speak no evil" when it comes to estabilishing Dark Souls lore, its either a holy trinity of: "Hidetaka said its not a sequel", "Kaathe told the truth, Gwyn is the antagonist!" and "coherent storyline elements are references".

I dont really understand the problem to be honest, if there are people who are not into the lore (or do not understand what particular things in the game reference), do we rather then create seperate theories for each person to experience the game at face value (like with the Hyrule Historia pretty much completely debunking the largest base of puritists and making them enter a massive spiral of denial) where one is "official" and one is "not canon"

So which one is it? The things closer to fanfics or the things scavenged from ingame writing and story elements? I'm just trying to find the thin red line that's been ever so slowly (but surely) peeking from the cracks of the game.

DoughGuy wrote:"s. Even if i would pick off only references and material in Dark Souls, there would still have to be a conclusion that atleast Latria's existence is noted, "
No it isnt, because Latria doesnt exist lol. For someone who hasnt played DeS but has heard a fair bit about it its easy to ignore that info and take DkS as an isolated world. For someone who has played both it would be harder, but you can still ignore it.

Shkar wrote:

Sir Mandred wrote:Its been a recurring trend to apparently "see no evil, hear no evil or speak no evil" when it comes to estabilishing Dark Souls lore, its either a holy trinity of: "Hidetaka said its not a sequel", "Kaathe told the truth, Gwyn is the antagonist!" and "coherent storyline elements are references".

I dont really understand the problem to be honest, if there are people who are not into the lore (or do not understand what particular things in the game reference), do we rather then create seperate theories for each person to experience the game at face value (like with the Hyrule Historia pretty much completely debunking the largest base of puritists and making them enter a massive spiral of denial) where one is "official" and one is "not canon"

So which one is it? The things closer to fanfics or the things scavenged from ingame writing and story elements? I'm just trying to find the thin red line that's been ever so slowly (but surely) peeking from the cracks of the game.

Understand that unlike the LoZ community, we are NEVER going to reach any kind of consensus. Believe me, I've been here preaching for months about how the darkwraiths are truly the bad guys and letting the flame die means the death of the world, but everyone still believes otherwise.

I don't even think a single person has responded to my theory that the flame is the soul of the world, and I've posted it like 3 times.

Deathsitexxi wrote:

Shkar wrote:

Sir Mandred wrote:Its been a recurring trend to apparently "see no evil, hear no evil or speak no evil" when it comes to estabilishing Dark Souls lore, its either a holy trinity of: "Hidetaka said its not a sequel", "Kaathe told the truth, Gwyn is the antagonist!" and "coherent storyline elements are references".

I dont really understand the problem to be honest, if there are people who are not into the lore (or do not understand what particular things in the game reference), do we rather then create seperate theories for each person to experience the game at face value (like with the Hyrule Historia pretty much completely debunking the largest base of puritists and making them enter a massive spiral of denial) where one is "official" and one is "not canon"

So which one is it? The things closer to fanfics or the things scavenged from ingame writing and story elements? I'm just trying to find the thin red line that's been ever so slowly (but surely) peeking from the cracks of the game.

Understand that unlike the LoZ community, we are NEVER going to reach any kind of consensus. Believe me, I've been here preaching for months about how the darkwraiths are truly the bad guys and letting the flame die means the death of the world, but everyone still believes otherwise.

I don't even think a single person has responded to my theory that the flame is the soul of the world, and I've posted it like 3 times.

You mentioned that in one of my threads a few days ago. I actually have
an analysis going on it now, but it’s a lot of looking up item descriptions and
it’s taking a little longer than I thought.. I will say, the more I look into
it the more plausible your theory is looking…