Talent Tree System (Completed!)

I have created a Talent Tree system for use in Dark Souls. It's primarily intended for PVE, but if you want to stick to the rules of the system in PVP as well that's fine too.

Before getting to the talent trees themselves, I will first list the basic rules associated with them:

1. You get to pick one Talent for every tenth level. For the purposes of this system, level 10 counts as a tenth level regardless of starting level.

2. Classes also start with a number of Talents from the get go. (Except Deprived, who gets to freely pick up to five talents between the tiers of I and III)

3.Stat requirements for Talents do not apply to characters starting off with them. (Including the ones gained through special abilities.)

4. Special abilities, as detailed in the Starting Class Talents image, are forfeit if not used before or during your first visit to Firelink Shrine.

Starting Class Talents

Weapon Talent Trees:
- One-handed Swords
- Pole Weapons
- Axes
- Hammers
- Daggers
- Whips
- Fist Weapons
- Heavy Weapons
- Archery

Defensive Talent Trees:
- Armour
- Shields

Magic Talent Trees:
- Sorcery
- Pyromancy
- Miracles
- Dark Magic
- Sealer Magic

Notes:
- Sealer Magic exists because I needed a place to put some leftover spells. The extra miracles and Basic Miracles requirement are there for roleplaying reasons.

- Deprived characters are the only ones with access to Occult Weaponry. This is because I needed a place to put this leftover upgrade path, since there were no appropriate talents for it. The reasoning for giving them to Deprived characters? You find an Occult Club in Anor Londo, and I just like the idea of an "empty" character using heretical weaponry to steal divine power for himself.

Very interesting concept. +1

If you had to level up to get certain items/spells, wouldn't that eliminate low-level runs and the like?

Or do I misunderstand what you are describing?

@WhatDoesThePendantDo:
Thanks!

@Big Time Master:
It would at the very least make them considerably harder. Doesn't matter though, seeing as this is a system designed with levelling in mind. It's just a little something to spice up my PVE experience with. I certainly wouldn't use it when doing a low level run.

Very cool man, might do my next playthrough according to your trees

I like the talent tree idea's very much!

@Alundil:
Glad you liked it. Hope it's fun to use in-game too. Never know for sure with these things.

@Isirith:
Glad to hear it!


Last one today. Light weapons talent tree. Light weapons are defined as weapons that generally have high attack speed rather than just weapons that don't weigh much. Not as sure about this one as I was about the magic-related ones.

Light weapons talent tree

Medium weapons talent tree

Fully mastering Axe or Hammer Specialization will also unlock heavy weaponry. This can also be unlocked without these specializations, however.

Fully mastering Polearm specialization will also unlock Spear Specialization I from the light weapons talent tree. Spear Specialization III has also been changed in my documents to unlock Polearm Specialization I. I didn't want to put both of them in the same weapons category, but I figured it would make sense to get some mastery in one if you mastered the other.

Edit:
Here's the one for Heavy Weaponry as well. Please ignore the typos; little details like that will be fixed when I pretty it all up later. :p

the first thing i think of when i see these talent trees is that a user cov could be based around this

I really like them. Might make a build based on these later. +1 rep to you.

Spurgun wrote:the first thing i think of when i see these talent trees is that a user cov could be based around this

I really like them. Might make a build based on these later. +1 rep to you.

Between the Obsidian Knights and the STR covenant Rant is working on, I don't think the already somewhat dead covenant section needs another equipment-limiting type covenant.

Glad you liked them though!

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Archery Talent Tree

Greatbows require Heavy Weaponry in addition to a mastery of Archery to be used.

Armour Talent Tree (Not much of a tree; fairly straight forward)

Shield Talent Tree (Same as above)

Next up comes deciding what talents the various classes will start with, and to make pretty it all up.

Edit:
Starting talents

This
one was difficult to do. Had to make sure that each class could use
their starting equipment without making the whole system pointless.
Could use some feedback.

Notes:
- Stat requirements for the various talents do not apply to starting talents

- All required branches of the starting talents are included as well

-Tier
I talents are defined as talents up to the ones marked I (or Basic in
the somewhat outdated magic trees linked to earlier in the thread).

- Stat requirements do not apply to the Deprived ability to pick their own starting talents.

-Casters
only get five talent points worth of talents instead of six like the
rest of the standard classes. This is to somewhat balance out the
considerable edge casters get early on.

Almost forgot. Here's the talent trees for other upgrade paths. [Link]

The curved greatsword specialization allows for the use of great hammers. I'm pretty sure you didn't do that intentionally. Just letting you know.

I dig the idea btw

Edit: also i don't think +15 greatbows exist. The dragonslayer greatbow can be upgraded to +5 with twinkling titanite,and that's the only greatbow right, or am i missing something?

lalliman wrote:The curved greatsword specialization allows for the use of great hammers. I'm pretty sure you didn't do that intentionally. Just letting you know.

I dig the idea btw

Edit: also i don't think +15 greatbows exist. The dragonslayer greatbow can be upgraded to +5 with twinkling titanite,and that's the only greatbow right, or am i missing something?

Yes, I noticed the "Greater Hammers" enabling under the Curved Greatsword Specialization after I had already uploaded the image and posted it. Working on the finalized versions of the various talent trees now, so that will be fixed soon.

Well, there's also Gough's Greatbow but you are right anyway. That's just another mistake. I'll get it fixed in the finalized version.

Thank you for the feedback, and it's nice to hear that you like the idea!

The system has been completed. The first post has been updated with the new images, details etc. Comments appreciated.

I really wish there was a way to choose this talent system or the current one on the character
selection screen.

It'd be nice to be locked into certain spells and stuff.
I'm so tired
+1 from me!

Well done!

The detail in this is amazing! :shock: I definitely want to give it a try and probably will but I still got 2 builds on the back-burner now so I got get cranking.

You should talk to some leet modder in the Dark Souls Nexus, he may be able to create a mod to implement this in the game.

@Isirith:
Thanks! Let me know what you think of it in practice if you decide to use it. The system is untested, after all.

@Pendant:
Thanks! Good luck on your other builds.

@ChizFreak:
I get the feeling that the stuff I'd want to alter with a mod like that is hardcoded. Would also probably mess up multiplayer in one way or another. Glad you liked it though.