Using the Trainer to Make "Legit" pvp Characters

So. Im completely against anyone that uses the trainer to get unlimited anything or make a SL1 character with SL120 stats or whatever.
Its fncking lame and takes no skill.
Now with that said, Ive put my time into DkS, 100's and 100's of hours on 360, PS3, and PC. Now Ive never used a trainer or game save hacker like you can do on 360, but I was thinking if you use the trainer just for souls and humanity to solely upgrade your character to a legit SL, then turn it off to play online.
You'll be using a legit character.
So basically your just skipping the parts that you've already earned and done time and time again.
So my question is, as long as your using the trainer just to speed up the process of hours and hours of farming that you've done time and time again, is it be considered cheating in pvp. The character would be the proper SL just as it would be if you took the time to farm souls.
So what do you guys think? I haven't downloaded the trainer yet, but thought of this last night and wanted to know how the DkS community thinks about this touchy subject.

I can create legit looking pokemon using a save editor. If I got caught trying to use them in a tournament though, I'd probably get banned. It really does depend on how the community looks at it. Though if it is a "legit" build, people probably wouldn't be able to tell how you made that particular character.

I don't think many would care either, creating builds becomes a hassle after a while.

I'd consider it cheating yes, but I also consider white lies to be lies. Personally I have no problem with such things when a game has been played so long that it is difficult to expect replayability. As long as these sorts of things are done to just cut down on time, rather than give an actual advantage, I see no real problem. Just remember though the rules of the forum so don't talk about how to actually do it or anything. Since there are bad eggs out there who do want to cheat and get an advantage to screw over other players.

It's similar to the BB, I used it myself but only to make it easier for me to make PvP builds since I didn't always want to farm to SL120, but people often used it to make powerful low level toons to grief new players with.

Sloth9230 wrote:I can create legit looking pokemon using a save editor. If I got caught trying to use them in a tournament though, I'd probably get banned. It really does depend on how the community looks at it. Though if it is a "legit" build, people probably wouldn't be able to tell how you made that particular character.

I don't think many would care either, creating builds becomes a hassle after a while.

Thats what I mean. It does get tedious and boring after awhile, especially switching from PS3 to PC and having to re-make ALL of my toons.
And yeah, no one would know or beable to tell so I really dont have to say anything and no one would be the wiser. I just wanted to be upfront about it and take the thoughts of my fellow Soul Bro's seriously.

Tolvo wrote:I'd consider it cheating yes, but I also consider white lies to be lies. Personally I have no problem with such things when a game has been played so long that it is difficult to expect replayability. As long as these sorts of things are done to just cut down on time, rather than give an actual advantage, I see no real problem. Just remember though the rules of the forum so don't talk about how to actually do it or anything. Since there are bad eggs out there who do want to cheat and get an advantage to screw over other players.

It's similar to the BB, I used it myself but only to make it easier for me to make PvP builds since I didn't always want to farm to SL120, but people often used it to make powerful low level toons to grief new players with.

Yes. only to save time and nothing else. I just couln't use it to make a "fake" or character your not able to make legitly. I just would feel to guilty. I take my souls very seriously

If you did make a fake character, then your stats wouldn't match up when they looked at your BOG entry

Sloth9230 wrote:If you did make a fake character, then your stats wouldn't match up when they looked at your BOG entry

If I did use the trainer I would create a "real" character, so when someone looks at my BOG entry it would make sense.
All I would use the trainer for is souls and some humanity so I can level up and upgrade quickly.
I would feel terrible inside if I did any pvping with a character that has infinite health and stamina or crazy stat changes or whatever people are using these days. I just couldn't live with myself. But if I think I used the trainer "productively" I wouldn't feel bad about it, since I'm not using anything that anyone else doesn't have the option to use.
I don't know, I think its harmless, but I definitely understand how someone could feel uneasy about it.

Like Tolva said, so long as it isn't griefing, it's fine. Though you should keep it on the down-low. Wouldn't want to give greifers any ideas.

Sloth9230 wrote:Wouldn't want to give greifers any ideas.

Right!