Playing the same opponent repeatedly vs. invading/being invaded by randoms
Using one weapon or class extensively vs. testing out multiple weapons
Focusing on one strategy/tactic vs. constant experimentation
Find good PvP'ers and play against them a lot. Somebody kick your *** really hard? Send them a message, ask if they'd mind dueling you in a series. Maybe add them on your friends list. Hear about some totally kick-*** PvP'er who's the best pro MLG **** around? Send him a message. Maybe they're actually crap, but it's always worth investigating. And if somebody says no, or doesn't respond, at least you asked.Myztyrio wrote:What's the best way to learn advanced PvP?
I find playing against the same person a lot is more helpful for learning. But you need to fight people above your level to really improve. Fighting random invaders is good if you want to practice executing some kind of particular tactic. E.G. if you want to practice instant-blocking, best to do that vs. **** players who are non-threatening to you.Myztyrio wrote:Playing the same opponent repeatedly vs. invading/being invaded by randoms
100% preference. I think you should use every weapon class at least a little because having some insight into how something is used will help you to play against it, but beyond that it's up to you. In Dark Souls I play like Zweihander, Greatbows, and Uchigatanas and almost nothing else. In Demon's Souls, I was a little bit better with Dragon Bone Smasher and 2H Katana, but spent a lot of time using different weapons and could play everything proficiently. I don't feel at all like one method was better than the other.Myztyrio wrote:Using one weapon or class extensively vs. testing out multiple weapons
Definitely you want to experiment a lot, but that doesn't mean you can't focus on one strategy. Within a single strategy, or small set of strategies, you can do a lot of experimentation.Myztyrio wrote:Focusing on one strategy/tactic vs. constant experimentation
Ideally 32 poise with MoM, which should be very manageable with Estoc at SL 120 unless you're using a Greatshield or something. But if those are the only two choices, I'd take 31 poise without MoM. Burg is fine, so is Butterfly Forest, though I think less active than Burg.Myztyrio wrote:My best weapon is the Estoc, mostly because it has range, speed, and damage on normal attacks, while also having high crit damage. It also has a great running attack. I think all I can do for now is really practice with the Estoc against randoms for a while. But is there a particular place that's better to duel people? Are there certain techniques I should focus on right now? I'm currently SL120, hosting at burg, if anyone wants to join me.
On a side note: 25 poise, MoM vs. 31 poise, no MoM?
Saturday-Saint wrote:I'd probably go with Hornet, or even Leo maybe. Shieldpokes I think gets counterhit bonus. But probably the best way to decide: play a handful of matches. If you notice yourself going for lots of BS's, put on Hornet. If you notice yourself hitting lots of Pyromancies, put on Bellowing Dragoncrest.
This. I learned everything from people in the Forest, Burg, and Kiln. The first time I was summoned to "gank", I didn't have a clue what it was, as I had never been in the covenant. After a few fights the guy who had summoned me asked why I wasn't ganking with him, and I replied with "What's that?" and was immediately BC'd out. Shortly after that, I found the covenant and decided to join in. Of course, I quickly learned what ganking was. So I moved on. When I got to Kiln for the first time, I noticed I couldn't walk 3 steps with out getting invaded. Some invaders were obviously bad, but a few asked why I was doing what I was doing. They taught me the basics of PvP. Stuff like this continued until I now play how I do today. jblackmel is my favourite DS player. :roll:luvz2fight wrote:Going back to the topic of how to become more effective at PvP, I took a number of different approaches towards improving.
My very first was when I was summoned to what I thought would be a battle against sif but instead He summoned me to cover his back in case he got ganked by forest hunters. The guy was in full havel cosplay and was very good at pvp. In fact when he summoned me and explained that he was PvPing I had no idea what pvp was. We PvP'd in the forest for hours and eventually we started a voice chat. He was a twelve year old kid and apparently a member of what I hear is called the Honor Brigade. He stuck to his code of ethics like a rabid dog and inspired me to do the same. Eventually we became friends and I continued to PvP with him. In our first duel together he completely walloped me.
After this I decided to make a second character and have her be a member of the forest covenant. It was after becoming a Forest hunter that I realized how hard they have it. Every single invasion I had as a forest hunter was against gankers. At first I ran away and waited for backup, I used ring of fog and chameleon like mad. I died a lot but i learned even more. In the end I owe what I learned to those gankers.
Step three came when I moved to the burg and encountered another guy cosplaying as havel who consistently pounded the crap out of me. At first I complained that he was only winning because of lagstabs but in his replies he was very genuine in trying to give me a fighting chance. When next we fought he explained that it was not lagstabs but in fact something called a counter backstab. I was amazed. I had never heard of such a thing. For the next two hours he taught me the counter back stab, the anti-parry BS, and a number of other tricks of the trade. He was my first legitimate PvP coach and the one I credit most of my current success to.
Step four to PvP improvement actually came from watching The Brigade on youtube (I think Yall know who I mean) I watched his videos on how to parry specific weapons. I came to learn which attacks can and cannot be parried and how to recognize then avoid them. Honestly I cannot stand the guy sometimes because he rants constantly and comes across as a prick. Nevertheless he knows his Dark Souls and I can't help but respect him for that.
Joining the forum actually didn't help a WHOLE lot in improving my PvP but it DID improve my understanding of other peoples gaming philosophies. This has helped me to enjoy Dark Souls by not getting worked up over stuff that is in reality unimportant. I see now that when people do something "cheap" they aren't evil because of it, they are just trying to enjoy their game same as me. And if ruining the enjoyment of other people is part of their enjoyment then counter ruining their enjoyment is part of mine (hope that makes sense). In a sense, the forum opened my mind more than it improved my skill, but it is no less important for that.
I find it kind of funny that all the people who have taught me directly have been cosplaying as havel. (in total 4 people). Weird huh?
.Myztyrio wrote:What's the best way to learn advanced PvP?
Playing the same opponent repeatedly vs. invading/being invaded by randoms
Using one weapon or class extensively vs. testing out multiple weapons
Focusing on one strategy/tactic vs. constant experimentation
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