Sorry for the trouble Serious.
Oh. EPIC FAIL! It seems I misunderstood you Fin. My bad.
There were some people on GameFAQs claiming to have a MM save with 99 of these items, but you can't trust GameFAQs.
I've had my PS3 replaced 3 times.. I've also incidentally completed motorstorm 3 times over as a resultSentiel wrote:I'm actually interested if save file backup violates ToS.
Not that it would make any difference for me. My Dark Souls save file got corrupted four times and I lost one more when my PS3 died. That's ficve lost save files, each with at least four PvP ready characters. Can you imagine the time spent farming, grinding and PvEing?
I will admit that I used BB glitch for the third save file, because I just didn't want to do everything again for the third time. Two of those lost save files were backed up on PS+, so I didn't have to start from nothing, AGAIN.
Frankly. I am thankful for all the help I got when I lost my files and I'm glad I paid for PS+, because without it I would've stopped playing the game completely. That's why backing up save files can break ToS, or even developer's anus for all I care, but I'll still use it for as long as we don't have our save files automatically backed up on cloud somewhere, or have a option to restore them in case our console dies, or it gets corrupted thanks to unfortunate power outage.
That said, I'm curious to see if it indeed breaks any ToS, or other agreements, or terms.
Host using estus is the way the game was designed, that's what lloyd's talismans are for. Both can use humanities. Using divine blessings you got legitimately is annoying but part of the game, that's why they're limited. Using divine blessings that were edited in is straight up cheating.Kiva the wanderer wrote:I am subbed to foxeo in the hopes that it would open my mind, it has done just that but he does whine a bit and I disagree withvhim.a lot but I tryvto understand the perspective he's coming from.
but this video is just nonsense, most of it is whining and yrs its true that its a pain when someone spams divines but isn't that the same as him healing during an invasion?
your perspective yes, your thoughts, yes. these can benifit the discussion/people and be backed logically.BrotherBob wrote:@Forum Pirate: I was under the impression that the purpose of a forum was to discuss all matters related to DS, which would include thoughts and feelings. Also, I wonder how you determined that over 50% of players who use DBs in PvP obtained them legitimately. To clarify, I am considering gifted DBs in quantities larger than 10 to be illegitimate. However, if gifted DBs are considered legitimate, then I would actually agree very strongly on that point.
@StiffNipples: Your mention of farmable items made me think of DeS. I never played it but have watched many hours of gameplay. I can't imagine what PvP would have been like in DeS, where it's not a matter of skill, but a matter of how much grass you have.
a) the mega mule did origionally give you db's and mushrooms, which was why i mentioned it.TooLeet wrote:It is clear to me you were talking about the MM. The only thing is (which i have already said) you don't not get a single divine blessing, or mushroom with the MM. If you run into someone with a MM, they're not gonna be popping DB's, unless given to them or they are hackers.Forum Pirate wrote:Of course I'm talking about the mega mule. I explicitly stated I was talking about the mega mule. I was saying that I have hundreds of db's, and did not use the mega mule to get them, nor did my inital giftwraith use the mega mule to get theirs. The assertion that I hacked based on my use of a db alone is hilariouly presumptious.TooLeet wrote:I'm guessing your addressing MM because more hackers have appeared since it's release. The only things you don't get with it are divine blessings and mushrooms. I don't know if that's what you meant but i figured i'd just address that.Forum Pirate wrote:False premise number 1, divine blessings are hacked.
he addresses that to an extent. I have hundreds of divine blessings, the first 99 were given to me, and before the mega mule was widely known (we're talking first 5 months or so) and the rest are what i've gotten myself since. i don't have a computer, so i couldn't even hack them if i wanted to.
On a side note, good fine Serious. I thought it was a pretty good video and he made good points. The only thing that troubled me was, the entire time he was talking about hacked DB's. I thought in my head, "yeah, that makes sense" until he popped one himself. There is no justification for that. All he did was contradict himself after he did that. I stopped watching after that.
I'm aware that there are more hackers since it became popular. he's still on the 360, in the forest, complaining about hackers. see previous metaphor.
So bringing up mega mule in a conversation about divine blessings is irrelevant.
FinPeku wrote:I have the earlier version of MM and there is no dbs or mushrooms. But i know a lot of people have started modding their saves and that's where all the dbs, mushrooms and glowing hair suddenly came from.
Untrue. I also think glowing hair is stupid, but I play fashion souls on the daily.TooLeet wrote:Yeah, i don't know where everybody got that from. I've never heard of a MM file with dbs and mushrooms. And glowing hair is stupid. This isn't a freakin fashion contest.
ScottyDoesKnow wrote:Untrue. I also think glowing hair is stupid, but I play fashion souls on the daily.TooLeet wrote:Yeah, i don't know where everybody got that from. I've never heard of a MM file with dbs and mushrooms. And glowing hair is stupid. This isn't a freakin fashion contest.
Edit: And I haven't played that long, but I did hear in passing that an old version of MM had those things and they were removed. Whether it's true or not, let's not get too sidetracked.
Essentially, I assume that a player who uses a DB during a PvP fight did not obtain their stash of DBs exclusively from their own game, but rather from a gifter or from modding their save. In itself, it would have been a feeling, but I did back it up with the logic that most players (who had a "legitimate" amount of DBs, i.e. up to 10 from each playthrough) would not use such a powerful and limited item. This is not necessarily a proof or a concept that applies to all players, but it is certainly something that applies to upwards of 90% of players. Whenever I have played a game concurrently with other people I know, I tend to ask if they've chosen to use the game's uber-powerful item (if there is one, of course), which is what led me to that conclusion. Of course, I am aware of the sampling bias. So, in sum, I'm just trying to say that it's not just a feeling, but rather a conclusion that I have reached.BrotherBob wrote:I know it's presumptuous, but I assume that my opponent is "not legit" (not necessarily hacking) if they pop even one DB. My reason is that I find it unfathomable for anyone to want to use such a valuable and rare item, unless they have an unnatural surplus of it. Again, that's my perspective and it is presumptuous, but I feel that most people who would be willing to use up a DB in any case either have an illegitimate amount or just don't care.
In my opinion, Serious, comparing a Channeller's Trident to a large amount of db's is kinda illogical. You only need 1 or 2 tridents, and within an hour (with my experience) I can get one; whereas with db's, you need to beat the game multiple times in order to get a amount suitable to PvP purposes.Serious_Much wrote:
I mean it's not like someone pulls out a channeller trident in PvP and the other black crystals out because he probably didn't farm for it..
I call double standards to be honest
Cost/balance issues. DB and humanity don't require any stat or attunement investment and there is no way to stop someone from using them to the same extent as with estus. In that regard, these healing items are unique. A DB essentially is:It was more about the guys opinion about healing items for me. Why would one form of healing be okay and another not?
If people are merely duplicating a save, that might not be the case. Take my SL 10 character with 2+ million souls for example. Let's say I go farming and grab a few slabs and a ton of chunks across a few hours, as well as farm out 99 hard humanity and trade into 30 divine blessings.Considering my usage of humanity alongside my skill relative to the majority of players and my observed db usage, I'd say that most DB's would be illegitimate.
Am I sensing a tone? If so, I wasn't trying to be rude. Obviously I heard that before this thread. All I was saying is that there's no need to debate whether the MM had these things and were taken out. We know there are save files out there being passed around that have 99 DBs and mushrooms, MM or not. We know that it's easy to dupe DBs and mushrooms, MM or not.TooLeet wrote:ScottyDoesKnow wrote:Untrue. I also think glowing hair is stupid, but I play fashion souls on the daily.
Edit: And I haven't played that long, but I did hear in passing that an old version of MM had those things and they were removed. Whether it's true or not, let's not get too sidetracked.
Yeah, you heard that in this thread. And the OP had to do with modded/hacked Dbs and Ems. No one is getting side tracked.
A bit of a silly example. I don't have a problem with muling in general, people want to try out different builds and tweak them for PvP. The line for me is when doing it legitimately would take so much time, they wouldn't do it without the mule.Serious_Much wrote:It was more about the guys opinion about healing items for me. Why would one form of healing be okay and another not?
I mean it's not like someone pulls out a channeller trident in PvP and the other black crystals out because he probably didn't farm for it..
I call double standards to be honest
Yes, that's duping. Is there an argument as to whether duped items are legitimate?TheMeInTeam wrote:If people are merely duplicating a save, that might not be the case. Take my SL 10 character with 2+ million souls for example. Let's say I go farming and grab a few slabs and a ton of chunks across a few hours, as well as farm out 99 hard humanity and trade into 30 divine blessings.Considering my usage of humanity alongside my skill relative to the majority of players and my observed db usage, I'd say that most DB's would be illegitimate.
And you get your numbers where? Have you conducted studies and surveys? have people verified your findings? no? then don't pull random numbers and use them as "evidence" for your arguements.BrotherBob wrote:@Forum Pirate: OK, so here's what I originally wrote:Essentially, I assume that a player who uses a DB during a PvP fight did not obtain their stash of DBs exclusively from their own game, but rather from a gifter or from modding their save. In itself, it would have been a feeling, but I did back it up with the logic that most players (who had a "legitimate" amount of DBs, i.e. up to 10 from each playthrough) would not use such a powerful and limited item. This is not necessarily a proof or a concept that applies to all players, but it is certainly something that applies to upwards of 90% of players. Whenever I have played a game concurrently with other people I know, I tend to ask if they've chosen to use the game's uber-powerful item (if there is one, of course), which is what led me to that conclusion. Of course, I am aware of the sampling bias. So, in sum, I'm just trying to say that it's not just a feeling, but rather a conclusion that I have reached.BrotherBob wrote:I know it's presumptuous, but I assume that my opponent is "not legit" (not necessarily hacking) if they pop even one DB. My reason is that I find it unfathomable for anyone to want to use such a valuable and rare item, unless they have an unnatural surplus of it. Again, that's my perspective and it is presumptuous, but I feel that most people who would be willing to use up a DB in any case either have an illegitimate amount or just don't care.
At this point, I'm pretty sure that I'm not exactly in-line with the purpose of the thread so I'll get back on track from here on.