Darkmoons and 'Sin'

ViralEnsign_ wrote:
How many times do i have to keep reminding people not to say stuff like this. Nobody and I mean NOBODy wants another discussion about which covenenants are "superior" to others.

Are you a Moderator or my Mom? Because otherwise I'm pretty sure it isn't your job to remind anyone of anything.

It is a wiki forum, lol. And as such, I am welcome to my opinion.

Which incidentally; is a well formed and founded one, from nearly 1000 hours of play.

True I'm not a mod but even so I feel that posts like this one can end up with people just flaming one another over their opinions and covenant choices. Not trying to impugn upon your opinion or anything but there is already enough hate for Darkmoons without people going around posting it on every forum they see.

Sure a proportion of DM's are pretty lame. I've been on the other side of such invasions but such is Dark Souls and I don't harbour ill will against DM's simply because of an oversight on the developers part.

Sorry if I said something out of order. It was a poor choice of diction.

It's one thing to be entitled to your opinion and another to completely disregard other peoples rudely while stating you should have yours respected, no one on this topic has been abrasive with you yet.

But I digress. There isn't really any more to be said, there will be players who think this covenant or that covenant is the scum of the earth and there is really no way around this. Viral shouldnt have to apologize for his post because he was merely stating an opinion and was not very brash with you at all.

The forums should be for discussion of vaired opinons not attacking other memebers based on their differing thoughts. I can respect you have had some bad DM invasions, we all have.

Everyone has had bad invasions. Its not covenant specific.

@Lextune i've already said this elsewhere but the burg is a pvp spot in ng+. The dm may well have been looking for a fair fight and simply killed you because he was already there and could only guess at your sl. Assuming a low sl based on armor will get you killed so holding back isn't really a good idea. I'd have killed you too.

Well spoken +1 but I think it was my choice of words that caused the misunderstanding.

I just don't like being hated against for not having done something as it seems most darkmoons are these days.

Forum Pirate wrote:Everyone has had bad invasions. Its not covenant specific.

@Lextune i've already said this elsewhere but the burg is a pvp spot in ng+. The dm may well have been looking for a fair fight and simply killed you because he was already there and could only guess at your sl. Assuming a low sl based on armor will get you killed so holding back isn't really a good idea. I'd have killed you too.

If people are going to PvP in the first area of the game where noobs go, then they at least shouldn't do it as part of the covenant that can invade down. If you're going to PvP in the Burg as a Darkwraith, it's fine, since you'll invade people your level or higher. But doing it as a Darkmoon is just inconsiderate. You're bound to invade and stomp loads of low level players.

Not trying to hate on a covenant or its members, all I'm saying is if you're going to duel in the first are in the game at least do it as a covenant that won't invade the low level players.

BLA1NE wrote:You're bound to invade and stomp loads of low level players.

Wrong. The system hunts for people near your sl first. you only invade down if no one near you sl is there and, even then, its highly likely that you'll simply fail to invade many times before you'll invade a low sl player in the burg.

I'm not saying some dms arnt looking to stomp lowbies, however i am saying that thats common in every covenant. The sl disparity dms can manage is worse yes but it really doesn't make a difference, if they were low lvl dw griefers youd have just as little chance on most legit characters.

On top of that bbing a low lvl character op gear and griefing is far more likely to succeed than trying to griefing as a high lvl dm.

I don't like dw but I don't tell you how to play, or judge you for the choice, i'd ask that you show the same courtesy.

I think the real problem here is not levels but equipment. If a lvl 80 DM invades a level 10 beginner and he has his stats spread out poorly say 20 in each and is using basic gear he has a marginal upper hand.

But is a level 15 DarkWraith invades with +5 ornstien armour and a lightening claymore that same player is going to have a hard time doing over 100 damage to them with a backstab and a +0 weapon.

The level discrepancy isn't the problem its the progress discrepancy. I am not saying a sl 80 DM invades with basic gear, nor that their stats are placed poorly. But all and all 50 levels between you and an invader (or w/e) is minimal, what matters REALLY is the experience the player has and the equipment they are sporting. Stats are only padding. and suddenly you cant just boil this down to one covenant because EVERYONE can low level run or use BB glitch to get high level gear.

Forum Pirate wrote:I don't like dw but I don't tell you how to play, or judge you for the choice, i'd ask that you show the same courtesy.

Like I said:

BLA1NE wrote:Not trying to hate on a covenant or its members, all I'm saying is if you're going to duel in the first are in the game at least do it as a covenant that won't invade the low level players.

Why even risk invading low level players at all? All you have to do to guarantee you won't be invading low levels is to go as a Darkwraith instead of a Darkmoon, there's no reason not to do it.

You have no reason. I do.
I roleplay for one. I also don't like being invaded as i go about my buisness and dm descriminates so i'm less likely to invade someone who doesn't have it comind.
Your last post was exactly the kind of thing i was asking thet you rephrain from posting and contradicts itself. You are hating (or at least phrasing your opinions poorly) on any dm who doesn't act as you have stated they should.
You are not me, i have different ideals and logic. Telling me i "there's no reason" is presumptious.
Your free to hate the dm all you want. All i asked was that you rephrain from making inflamitory or misinformed remarks. Quantifiers or no, posts 31 (yours) was either inflamitory or misinformed.
If you'd asked how the dm invasion work I would have been explained and allowed you to decide wether or not you liked it rather than arguing like this.

What are you talking about?? There is zero hate in my comments.

- It is a fact that Darkmoons can invade lower than their level

- It is a fact that people have reported being invaded on characters that had apparently sinned in no way.

- It is a fact that the Burg is populated by low levels and beginners more than any other area in the game.

Therefore, logically, it would be better not to invade in that area as a Darkmoon. There is NO HATE in my comment. Those are facts and logic.


Edit: ALSO: My first comment had nothing to do with griefers. I was talking about duelers. I, in no way, said Darkmoons were in it for griefing. I said if you're going to PvP in the Burg, as in duel, do it as a Darkwraith. Or Red Stone, or Dragon Stone, whatever.

All three or your points are true. However 'apparently' is the key word in point 2 and better is subjective in the context of this debate and i, clearly, disagree.

For the record logic is also subjective in the context of this debate.

And i did state that it is possible you are misinformed, not hating. I suppose there are other variables as well and it seems likely they are the source of our misunderstanding.

It seems you are prioritiesing the 'saftey' of low sl players. I am not. I won't invade them on purpose but invasions happen and if they're new its better to be invaded by me than a griefer. I might even escort them and kill any giant wearing **** i see.

I am pvping in a cov with restrictions so that i'm less likely to invade non-trouble makers. Its 'better' in my mind to risk catching noobs (due to its relative infrequency) than to invade people who are dedicated sunbros for example. (excluding the farmers of course but thats a different topic)

Please try to understand, or at least accept, the differences in our views so this whole thing can end. If you feel i should explain further pm me and i'll explain/debate all you like. I feel our argument doesn't belong here.

Triple now due to edit, sorry guys

BLA1NE wrote:I said if you're going to PvP in the Burg, as in duel, do it as a Darkwraith. Or Red Stone, or Dragon Stone, whatever.

Again, i don't tell you how to play, neither do most of the other members from what i've seen, i'm asking that you return the favor.

At least where its interfearing with legtimate discussions. Pm me all you want about how you think i should do things and i'll happily explain my pov all you want.