how am i supposed to pvp now?

I still havent killed the four kings but im almost 75% sure i talked to frampt.(already have lordvessel) is there another way i can invade without joining dark kaaths covenant?

If Frampt already took you to Firelink Altar, even if you didn't put the Lordvessel, you can't talk to Kaathe anymore. But I believe that once he takes you down you can't go back unless you use Homeward bone, in which case you would remember it? If you talked to him, but ran away before he finishes, the speech is cancelled and Kaathe will still be there when you beat Four Kings.

would putting the lordvessel mean opening the yellow gates everywhere?

Become a darkwraith or darkmoon. You can still be called upon to invade.

Yes putting the Lordvessel opens the Yellow Fog Gates but I recommend you to become a DarkWraith. Killing Four Kings it's not so hard with help after all. Just summon a random guy and Beatrice and you will be alright.

Blazalin wrote:would putting the lordvessel mean opening the yellow gates everywhere?

Yes, if that happened then Kaathe is gone. You can still, however, join the Darkmoons, Forest Hunters, Dragons (it's not invading, but it is PvP), and Gravelords. All of those are PvP based covenants.

phew atleast theres something else with pvp related covenant, i think ill join dark moon since i can invade anywhere correct?

no, only dark anor londo. You are called upon. Also you are called upon by the forest cov.

If you want to mess with people and have them invade you, go gravelord. Gravelord all the way baby!!!!

When you are a darkmoon, there are two ways to invade. With a ring, that brings you to fight people in dark Anor Londo, and with the Blue Eye Orb, which functions like a regular red eye orb, except that you are a blue phantom, and that you invade people with sin. So yes, Darkmoons can invade anywhere.

Blazalin wrote:phew atleast theres something else with pvp related covenant, i think ill join dark moon since i can invade anywhere correct?

Neon_noodle is incorrect.

Darkmoons can invade anywhere AND be called upon too. You can invade anywhere using the Blue Eye Orb, which works exactly as the Cracked Red Eye Orbs, and the Red Eye Orb.

Also, when you join, Gwyndolin gives you a special Covenant Ring. When you Equip it, you enter a queque, where you will be summoned to invade another person's world in Dark Anor Londo (EXCLUSIVELY THERE). The Ring only summons you to invade people that are in Dark Anor Londo. So if you want to invade in other places use the Blue eye Orb wherever you want to. If you equip the ring, you will have to wait until you're summoned, remember you have to wait in an area where you could invade. For example, you can't be summon in Firelink Shrine, but yes, in Undead Burg.

Also I TRULY RECOMMEND YOU to become DarkWraith. Being a Darkmoon you don't win anything from beating hosts, just souls and souverins to rank in the Covenant.

Being a DarkWraith, every time you beat a host you gain Humanity, which raises your defenses, raises damage of Chaos weapons and can be used to:

1) Rank in the Covenant.
2) Kindle Bonfires.
3) Become Human, previously being hollow.

ChizFreak wrote:

Blazalin wrote:phew atleast theres something else with pvp related covenant, i think ill join dark moon since i can invade anywhere correct?

Neon_noodle is incorrect.

Darkmoons can invade anywhere AND be called upon too. You can invade anywhere using the Blue Eye Orb, which works exactly as the Cracked Red Eye Orbs, and the Red Eye Orb.

Also, when you join, Gwyndolin gives you a special Covenant Ring. When you Equip it, you enter a queque, where you will be summoned to invade another person's world in Dark Anor Londo (EXCLUSIVELY THERE). The Ring only summons you to invade people that are in Dark Anor Londo. So if you want to invade in other places use the Blue eye Orb wherever you want to. If you equip the ring, you will have to wait until you're summoned, remember you have to wait in an area where you could invade. For example, you can't be summon in Firelink Shrine, but yes, in Undead Burg.

Also I TRULY RECOMMEND YOU to become DarkWraith. Being a Darkmoon you don't win anything from beating hosts, just souls and souverins to rank in the Covenant.

Being a DarkWraith, every time you beat a host you gain Humanity, which raises your defense and can be used to:

1) Rank in the Covenant.
2) Kindle Bonfires.
3) Become Human, previously being hollow.

oh before i join dark moon, ill kill four kings and hopefully he will be there.. if not for now i will do darkmoon.

Blazalin wrote:

ChizFreak wrote:

Blazalin wrote:phew atleast theres something else with pvp related covenant, i think ill join dark moon since i can invade anywhere correct?

Neon_noodle is incorrect.

Darkmoons can invade anywhere AND be called upon too. You can invade anywhere using the Blue Eye Orb, which works exactly as the Cracked Red Eye Orbs, and the Red Eye Orb.

Also, when you join, Gwyndolin gives you a special Covenant Ring. When you Equip it, you enter a queque, where you will be summoned to invade another person's world in Dark Anor Londo (EXCLUSIVELY THERE). The Ring only summons you to invade people that are in Dark Anor Londo. So if you want to invade in other places use the Blue eye Orb wherever you want to. If you equip the ring, you will have to wait until you're summoned, remember you have to wait in an area where you could invade. For example, you can't be summon in Firelink Shrine, but yes, in Undead Burg.

Also I TRULY RECOMMEND YOU to become DarkWraith. Being a Darkmoon you don't win anything from beating hosts, just souls and souverins to rank in the Covenant.

Being a DarkWraith, every time you beat a host you gain Humanity, which raises your defense and can be used to:

1) Rank in the Covenant.
2) Kindle Bonfires.
3) Become Human, previously being hollow.

Do you get humanity and souls? but its basicly the same use as the red or cracked red orb?

The Red Eye Orb, is obtained only by joining the DarkWraiths and then becoming rank +1. You can obtain 7 Cracked Red Eye orbs in the game, but they consume every time you invade with them. You can only buy them from Kaathe, thus leading to the point where you must become a DarkWraith.

The Red Eye Orb has unlimited uses but you must be a DarkWraith to use it.

And yes you get humanity AND souls.

ChizFreak wrote:

Blazalin wrote:

ChizFreak wrote:

Blazalin wrote:phew atleast theres something else with pvp related covenant, i think ill join dark moon since i can invade anywhere correct?

Neon_noodle is incorrect.

Darkmoons can invade anywhere AND be called upon too. You can invade anywhere using the Blue Eye Orb, which works exactly as the Cracked Red Eye Orbs, and the Red Eye Orb.

Also, when you join, Gwyndolin gives you a special Covenant Ring. When you Equip it, you enter a queque, where you will be summoned to invade another person's world in Dark Anor Londo (EXCLUSIVELY THERE). The Ring only summons you to invade people that are in Dark Anor Londo. So if you want to invade in other places use the Blue eye Orb wherever you want to. If you equip the ring, you will have to wait until you're summoned, remember you have to wait in an area where you could invade. For example, you can't be summon in Firelink Shrine, but yes, in Undead Burg.

Also I TRULY RECOMMEND YOU to become DarkWraith. Being a Darkmoon you don't win anything from beating hosts, just souls and souverins to rank in the Covenant.

Being a DarkWraith, every time you beat a host you gain Humanity, which raises your defense and can be used to:

1) Rank in the Covenant.
2) Kindle Bonfires.
3) Become Human, previously being hollow.

Do you get humanity and souls? but its basicly the same use as the red or cracked red orb?

The Red Eye Orb, is obtained only by joining the DarkWraiths and then becoming rank +1. You can obtain 7 Cracked Red Eye orbs in the game, but they consume every time you invade with them. You can only buy them from Kaathe, thus leading to the point where you must become a DarkWraith.

The Red Eye Orb has unlimited uses but you must be a DarkWraith to use it.

And yes you get humanity AND souls.

oh before i join dark moon, ill kill four kings and hopefully he will be there.. if not for now i will do darkmoon.

Sorry, I most certainly was incorrect. Sorry for spreading falsehoods. Happy pvping!