DWGR or Fast Roll

So I've been thinking. The DWGR is overused, but in the time that I had practiced a few moments without it, I've realized that the fast roll is good enough to replace the use of DWGR. It has enough invincibility frames and it moves far enough for you to escape typical combos. You run speed is also equal to DWGR run speed so you don't lose much in terms of mobility, but you have to be slightly more skilled with dodge rolls in PVP.

So, what are your thoughts? Do you think that is your equip burden if 25% or lower, you can dismiss the DWGR and use it for a better Ring slot?

The Dark Wood Grain Ring is genuinely a crutch. It permits players outside of an acceptable range to have more mobility then a character that is playing more the less inside the terms of the game. As the Dark Wood Grain ring is in the game, use it to your hearts content, but i would not miss it if removed.

Generally, if you are below 25% equip load, equip a hornet ring instead.

"Use DWGR at all times unless you have fat roll"

Do you mean fast roll?

Seignar wrote:So I've been thinking. The DWGR is overused, but in the time that I had practiced a few moments without it, I've realized that the fast roll is good enough to replace the use of DWGR. It has enough invincibility frames and it moves far enough for you to escape typical combos. You run speed is also equal to DWGR run speed so you don't lose much in terms of mobility, but you have to be slightly more skilled with dodge rolls in PVP.

So, what are your thoughts? Do you think that is your equip burden if 25% or lower, you can dismiss the DWGR and use it for a better Ring slot?

The speed and the cartwheel have saved my butt numerous times. Honestly if you don't want to use it...that's fine. I just use it for the defensive capabilities it brings to the table, and so I can catch up to all those road runners with it.

Neither, it entirely depends on my build. For example, if I'm using the large club, the shorter animation of the fast roll is more important than the increased burden, but with my dgm build I really benefit from the iframes to dodge counter attacks and escape bs attempts, and the weapon is to heavy for me to hit 53 poise under 25% equipment burden without the dwgr, so I use it.

At this point, after having played with the DWGR since day one and going with fast roll for the last couple weeks, in my opinion it's all about i-frames. Most builds you can Wolf Ring+heavy gaunts for 53+ poise and still fast roll, so I don't really care about equip burden. There is a pretty sizeable difference in i-frames though. I'll be sticking with fast roll for purely asthetic reasons though. No beef with DWGR users either. If I'm not taking advantage of more i-frames, that's on me.

I'd rather fat roll then flip at this point.

FROM will nerf the Dark Wood Grain Ring in due time because they listen to the community's concerns.

When they do nerf it, you will have a hard time playing without it.

Thers an option missing in there...
NO DWGR at all...

Think he meant "fast roll" instead of "fat roll".

The community is concerned about a lot of things.

Quite frankly, learn to play is an apt respone in many of these cases. I'm NOT saying beiber ring concerns arn't valid, but that concerns alone are hardly a proper reason to change the functionality of the item.

Aesthetically speaking DWGR is usefull. I really enjoy certain armor that's sorta heavy (Paladin / Ornstein / EK) If I want to look a certain way then DWGR goes on.

Now Giantsx3+mom looks IMO hideous. but man those stats. I don't have much proof other than "feeling" when I pvp but besides the poise I don't "feel" much squishier using Painted Gaurdian Chest/Legs and only giants gauntlets, replacing dwgr with wolf's

The Main issue is that Without DWGR or Wolf's it's impossible to have a reasonable amount of END and still make it to 53 poise. (Actually I'm sure Father's Havel's FAP would get you there) The entire poise system is inherently rewarding to heavier armors and there is nothing better at increasing your Burden than DWGR.

Who needs poise.

The game was made to be either you have poise and move like a tank's supposed to or you move fast and get stunlocked.

Thats how it should be played and if one practices enough they can beat flipping MoM tanks that have no discipline.

swordiris wrote:Who needs poise.

The game was made to be either you have poise and move like a tank's supposed to or you move fast and get stunlocked.

Thats how it should be played and if one practices enough they can beat flipping MoM tanks that have no discipline.

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Get 18 poise so rapiers no longer stun you, and dodge everything else.

@sword Who are you to decide how a game should be played, by anyone except yourself?

Fighting below dex weapon breakpoints is pretty difficult. That's where I draw the line. I don't mind playing below GS breakpoint because of toggle escape parries, but staggering from katana/BSS/Falchion hits is too much.

that is very true forum. Everyone has their own opinions.

@Rynn. Sounds bout right, even 18 poise is kinda going out of my way though.

18 poise isn't far outa my way. I shove the Black Iron Gauntlets on and bam, I'm done. They fit with pretty much any armor set, so i just don't worry after that.

I just am more concerned with character looks than practicality.

I like my female characters without pants. (or Balder shorts/ traveling boots) and I think Beiber flip looks strange even on a ninja. I think a ninja should roll more like Ryu Hayabusa, and he fast rolls.

I completely forgot how my first few play throughs were. I had no idea about the DWGR until i started getting into pvp and someone had dropped the ring after a few invades. Im playing without it but now i'm staying below 25 % equip load and the challenge and rage is still there which is great. I might stop summoning player because i didnt even get a chance to hit either Gargoyle...as for the poll i dont quite understand what im voting on.

Lately i've been practicing using Havel's ring instead of the DWGR. Dropped from 56 poise to 34 poise, which is still above the poise break for katanas. We'll see how it goes.

I do prefer the fact that the fast roll is a bit "tighter" than the ninja flip. You don't flip halfway across the screen...

Use DWGR at all times unless you have fat roll????
Use DWGR if your equip burden is 50% or lower,but higher than 25%????

This poll makes zero ****ing sense. I voted (A), though i could have just as easily voted (B), I don't see the difference. Dwgr ftw.

Seignar wrote:So I've been thinking. The DWGR is overused, but in the time that I had practiced a few moments without it, I've realized that the fast roll is good enough to replace the use of DWGR. It has enough invincibility frames and it moves far enough for you to escape typical combos. You run speed is also equal to DWGR run speed so you don't lose much in terms of mobility, but you have to be slightly more skilled with dodge rolls in PVP.

So, what are your thoughts? Do you think that is your equip burden if 25% or lower, you can dismiss the DWGR and use it for a better Ring slot?

I've transitioned all of my builds to fast rollers, all except those that require int or faith. This, however, is no big deal because, in most cases, I use pure melee attacks; I don't need any miracles/sorcerreris/pyro to be successful in PvP.

I very rarely use DWGR because the ring is so obviously broken. I don't really need it to lighten my weight since I play naked and I do fine with fast roll. I've used the ring in tournaments though.