Fast Rolling in Havel's

omega Elf wrote:http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=3140071322635705

Fast-rolling giant-moms - Ridiculous. Havel's Ring is very clearly
OP. It's the "easy mode" ring. Without Havel's Ring, you could
not get this set-up (and fast-roll), not even with 99 in endurance,
though, with it, you require, very little, stat investment.

If you want to fast-roll, with all the benefits, which that provides -
then you should NOT, also, be able, to get maximum defense &
massive poise.

When I go fast-roll, i wear only robes, with very little (if any) poise.
This is the way, I believe, the game, was designed to be played.
If you want to be a tank build, then, really, you should use mid-roll
or fat-roll.




Though, if you want to fight, using this "crutch", then by all means
do. Does, it make you, a better, more skilled, player than me?,
that's for you to decide. I just feel, it takes out, all of the challenge
from the game.

DarkW17 wrote:do you have to Troll every thread with your DWGR comments???????
Just leave it alone stack your poise and flip away right out of this thread...it has nothing to do with DWGR its about fast rolling in havels!!!

omega Elf wrote:

VeranoChico wrote:The general idea was that I was to drop my vitality for defense. That way I don't have it too easy. Since my first couple of characters rolled with 30 vitality before, I have no problems with having 1325 HP.

I appreciate, you've disadvantaged yourself, through low vitality,
to compensate. What would be, the honorable, vitality cut-off
point, for using dwgr?

omega Elf wrote:

DarkW17 wrote:do you have to Troll every thread with your DWGR comments???????
Just leave it alone stack your poise and flip away right out of this thread...it has nothing to do with DWGR its about fast rolling in havels!!!

I'm discussing Havels, so quit flaming!, and I don't use dwgr,
or havels ring, I can fast roll without them.

DarkW17 wrote:

omega Elf wrote:

DarkW17 wrote:do you have to Troll every thread with your DWGR comments???????
Just leave it alone stack your poise and flip away right out of this thread...it has nothing to do with DWGR its about fast rolling in havels!!!

I'm discussing Havels, so quit flaming!, and I don't use dwgr,
or havels ring, I can fast roll without them.

Awesome did you want a cookie???????? Oh I forgot Trolls don't eat cookies my bad

omega Elf wrote:With all the discussion, of the dwgr, some miss the fact, how Havel's Ring,
is also, very much, overpowered. For the most part, this goes unnoticed,
or, perhaps, simply ignored; Because, to address the problem, many
players, would lose their beloved fast-roll - did they wish, to continue,
using, their preferred armor sets, and weapons.

Reaperfan wrote:The only ground I see to openly call Havel's Ring broken is when it's used in conjunction with the DWGR.

ICEFANG wrote:Yes RoFaP is better than Havel's ring if you only need 20% more EL than 50%, whats your point? You gave a narrow and pointless comparison. Its like you argue yourself, saying Havel's ring is too good, but then you said RoFaP is better? It all depends on the build doesn't it? But when it comes to EL increase, nothing is better for fast rolling/flipping than DWGR.

omega Elf wrote:The point, though perhaps not clear, was, that Havel's Ring, could
be considered, equally broken, when used, in conjunction, with the
RoFaP. Saying, that Havel's Ring, could only, be considered broken,
when used, in conjunction with the DWGR, is just, a way, to shift
blame, back, onto the dwgr.

DarkW17 wrote:Hey OP can you can you change the thread title to 'the 100th discussion about how broken the DWGR is and Omega Elf's need to discuss it in every thread remotely related to that'????? That would be great!!

Btw I have a cookie for you for attempting to make a cool unquie build...in 1000's of hours of game play I have never witnessed anyone fast roll in havels!!

Federally wrote:VeranoChico a +1 to you for trying to make a thread about something I've never seen anyone do. Sorry your thread was high jacked by a troll and those who fall for it.

Reaperfan wrote:You say Havel's Ring is just as broken as DWGR because they work so well together. I ask you this then; Is Havel's Ring without the DWGR a broken item?

Federally wrote:Verano I still suggest you dump the helm to save on some weight and have more points to play with. I think it saves you like 15, or lets you use heavier weapons and save like 10. The added poise from the helm really isn't necessary as you're still over 100 and can tank repeat hits from anything.