UGGHH......

they've been around since demons souls, it'd be nice if they didn't need to exist but their the best way to deal with turtles,

lol love it

What exactly is wrong with dead angles?

he doesn't know how to counter them very effectively is the most likely answer, anyone got some good tips? i mean i know you can block dead angle wog by turning around or rolling in to bs but what about those guys that turn their backs to you with a murakumo? beside shooting them to death with ranged stuff i mean.

The only thing that i know is that with 76 poise or something ( chest, arms and legs of thorns + wolf ring ) i got stunlocked by a dude with queelag's furysword and all i could do was wtf is going on lol

sparkly-twinkly-lizard wrote:they've been around since demons souls, it'd be nice if they didn't need to exist but their the best way to deal with turtles,

Bleed? Poison & Toxin? Any attack that deals non-physical damage, just spam it from a distance? If they are noobs/newbies, kick their shield? Shotel? Use Force to either break their guard or push them off a cliff? Dragonslayer Bow/Gough Bow does the same thing? TWoP + DragonSlayer Bow?

EDIT: Oh I forgot, and Black Flame, the new pyromancy, thanks to @Carphil.

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I gave up on both shields and poise in PvP. Lightest armor I can find, a fast weapon, and both the Green crest shield on my back, and cloranthy ring. I roll as fast as I can, and make completely unpredictable movements. I'm also REALLY patient. I can do that all day until someone does something stupid.

Or try the new black flame for breaking guards!

Dead angle is the reason I quit using Havels greatshield and almost deleted my fat rolling dude. Buuut is not the end of the world. If we can live with chain lagstabs, we can live with anything

all the things you listed chiz, are for specialized builds except the status effects, and if their using the great shield of artorias those things don't touch them, i should have specified that deadanlges are a pure melee's best way to deal with turtles.

If someone is turtling, I usually just pivot BS. No more turtling. Dead angles have become part of PvP mechanics. If you're not blocking head on, you're not blocking efficiently. That makes sense to me. I get why dead angles are in the game. Being able to manipulate the angle at which your opponent blocks is intelligent gameplay and savvy use of said mechanics. I don't run shields anymore. I've been dual wielding for months now, so dead angles don't really effect me, but I know how effective they can be against people who play "shield up" any time they're not actively attacking. And, well, how else are you supposed to deal sufficient damage against those players without resolving to simply trade hits?

I get stunlocked more often now than ever. My stun recovery also feels longer. I don't know if I'm just **** when I see a greatsword or if I'm just unlucky.

Toggle escapes, my man. There are only a handful of weapons, with the exception of dex swords like the Falchion, that can still stunlock. Those are the Ultra weapons and the curved greatswords. Toggling out of ultra weapon hits is pretty easy since the warm up is looong, and if you're any good at escaping, curved GS hits aren't to hard to get out of either. Both can be punished with toggled escape parries if you know how. If you don't, I suggest you learn. Stat.

Toggle-escapes just piss me off, haha. I can't believe they didn't fix this with the patch.

I was afraid I'd have to resort to that. I told myself I was going to learn but decided not to when hearing about the patch. Better late than never I suppose.

Toggle escapes are legit in my book. I'm not going to just stand there while some dude with a Zwei goes all apeshit as soon as the fight starts. You can sense the "what the f*ck just happened" reaction after toggle parrying just by the way their playstyle changes. Good sh*t.

DamageCK wrote:Toggle escapes are legit in my book. I'm not going to just stand there while some dude with a Zwei goes all apeshit as soon as the fight starts. You can sense the "what the f*ck just happened" reaction after toggle parrying just by the way their playstyle changes. Good sh*t.

Legit Exploits -_-

once again, toggle escape has existed since demons souls where it was even more important due to poise not existing, but thats about the only case i see it as legit in, low or no poise builds.

Pointless in whining about Toggle-Escapes. Been in game since DeS - they are the only thing that saved DeS PvP from Dual Wield Kats Galore pushlocking. Do you honestly find fun in continuously tapping the r1 button and stunlocking people to death? I cannot see the enjoyment in that playstyle - but truth be told toggle escape is legit. You need decent timing, and hey - as a 0 poise player I enjoy using them when I do get hit. Hmmm, I would say that if you're getting toggle parried too often then just dead angle... No parries.

My two pence. Kappa

Jason

TehInfamousAmos wrote:Pointless in whining about Toggle-Escapes. Been in game since DeS - they are the only thing that saved DeS PvP from Dual Wield Kats Galore pushlocking. Do you honestly find fun in continuously tapping the r1 button and stunlocking people to death? I cannot see the enjoyment in that playstyle - but truth be told toggle escape is legit. You need decent timing, and hey - as a 0 poise player I enjoy using them when I do get hit. Hmmm, I would say that if you're getting toggle parried too often then just dead angle... No parries.

My two pence. Kappa

Jason

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I know we have differing opinions - I have learnt to not give any care about how other people play. Fun is a subjective term and should be treated that way. It is different for each person. Anyway, I am sure you have courtesy when you play so I am not worried. Adios Krillin.

TehInfamousAmos wrote:I know we have differing opinions - I have learnt to not give any care about how other people play. Fun is a subjective term and should be treated that way. It is different for each person. Anyway, I am sure you have courtesy when you play so I am not worried. Adios Krillin.

I might have to do a Solar Flare + Destructo Disc combo on all you toggle-escapers!!!

Haha oh god - Don't make me get Cell on your arse!

StockpileThomas wrote:

TehInfamousAmos wrote:I know we have differing opinions - I have learnt to not give any care about how other people play. Fun is a subjective term and should be treated that way. It is different for each person. Anyway, I am sure you have courtesy when you play so I am not worried. Adios Krillin.

I might have to do a Solar Flare + Destructo Disc combo on all you toggle-escapers!!!

What did we do ?