UGGHH......

Marino. wrote:

StockpileThomas wrote:

TehInfamousAmos wrote:I know we have differing opinions - I have learnt to not give any care about how other people play. Fun is a subjective term and should be treated that way. It is different for each person. Anyway, I am sure you have courtesy when you play so I am not worried. Adios Krillin.

I might have to do a Solar Flare + Destructo Disc combo on all you toggle-escapers!!!

What did we do ?

I agree, fun is VERY subjective, but an exploit is still an exploit.

Whats wrong about an Exploit ?

Dead angle is ok since you hit them by the side or the back and it's exposed. We had a talk about toggle escapes and other exploits that are used so often in PvP that almost everyone don't notice that they are indeed exploits. I made the topic long ago, and I agree with stockpile. But I still use them since it's the only way to escape infinite stunlock, and my playstyle is based around counters. Still since from nerfed greatsword stunlocking, I would be glad if they fixed toggle escape and other dubious PvP techniques.

In regards to toggle escapes, I too wish they didn't exist in the game...

But...

I wish stunlocking wasn't in the game either. Before the removal of toggle escape I would require the removal of stunlocking in its current state. Or for it to be altered. Such as that I don't think large weapons should be able to stunlock.

Stunlocking an enemy with a DMB+3 buffed Zweihander is death to them outright if they cannot toggle out. I do not enjoy that.

Exactly what I was trying to say tolvo. A balanced solution could be 2 hit stunlock only, and then dodging out safely by just pressing the O button. This could apply to very large weapons since those rely on stunlock to be effective. I'm saying this because I know how OP it is that the BSS can get +500 damage with its R2 thrust counter, almost same damage as a DGM R1 attack (which is slower and much heavier weapon).

2-3 would probably be a good amount, perhaps 2 for larger weapons and three for lesser ones.

The damage outputs of buffs might be a think to examine separately.

I think from is slowly fixing infinite stunlock. The first step was replacing the push by a more slower kick. No more pushlocking!!!!

Tolvo wrote:2-3 would probably be a good amount, perhaps 2 for larger weapons and three for lesser ones.

The damage outputs of buffs might be a think to examine separately.

100% agreed. No one likes getting stun-locked for four or five strikes; it's boring.