BB glitch aftermath

Knight Alundil wrote:Cool, then we agree!

something tells me that we never really disagreed to begin with

Yeh, just every time someone comments I feel like it's a runaway train i'm trying to pull back on topic

Edit: Also, yay! 100 views!

Knight Alundil wrote:

Isirith wrote:I didn't mean to come across as saying everyone's a cheater.
But there are far, far more people who cheated then those who did it legitimately.
Am I on the right track now?

So the people who didn't use it; is it fair to refer to them as BB glitchers?

No it isn't.
IF it is done legitimately then hats off to them!
Shame that the people who have cheated in the past use "I challenged run!" all too often.
Gives the real challenge runners a bad name, unfortunately.

Isirith wrote:

Knight Alundil wrote:

Isirith wrote:I didn't mean to come across as saying everyone's a cheater.
But there are far, far more people who cheated then those who did it legitimately.
Am I on the right track now?

So the people who didn't use it; is it fair to refer to them as BB glitchers?

No it isn't.
IF it is done legitimately then hats off to them!
Shame that the people who have cheated in the past use "I challenged run!" all too often.
Gives the real challenge runners a bad name, unfortunately.

Then, likes I said to Nybbles, we agree!

Knight Alundil wrote:

Isirith wrote:

Knight Alundil wrote:

Isirith wrote:I didn't mean to come across as saying everyone's a cheater.
But there are far, far more people who cheated then those who did it legitimately.
Am I on the right track now?

So the people who didn't use it; is it fair to refer to them as BB glitchers?

No it isn't.
IF it is done legitimately then hats off to them!
Shame that the people who have cheated in the past use "I challenged run!" all too often.
Gives the real challenge runners a bad name, unfortunately.

Then, likes I said to Nybbles, we agree!

Perhaps I did read your post wrong last night.. It was 3:00am afterall...
I thought you were defending BB'ers.
My mistake.. ;/
*offers cookie*

I stopped playing because i cant BB anymore.
I played through the game MANY times. Ive spent countless hours in pvp. I do NOT want to play pve for hours just to have a new build ready for PVP.

I understand griefing, but i think patching the BB glitch just hurt the pvp more than it helped, and in the end its the pvp community who keep the game alive.
imo.

Motopsycho wrote:I understand griefing, but i think patching the BB glitch just hurt the pvp more than it helped

Forgive me for nitpicking on something so...petty? Is that the word I'm looking for? I dunno...anyway:

If anything this actually helped PvP. The amount of people able to grief in the Burg has been significantly reduced, and helps a bit to even the playing fields at the early stages of the game. What the removal of the glitch does hurt is replayability. The PvP scene as a whole is better off, but it takes more effort to consistently stay in it and that extra effort is what will drive people away since they can't access the part of the game they want to as easily, even though that particular area has improved.

Isirith wrote:Perhaps I did read your post wrong last night.. It was 3:00am afterall...
I thought you were defending BB'ers.
My mistake.. ;/
*offers cookie*

i am somewhat on the side of bb glitchers. at least i know where they are coming from to a certain extent anyway.

but yeah, i don't think it's fair to assume that everyone who is outfitted in op gear at a low level is a cheater. it's also not fair to other others players when duelists come in with that "anything to win" attitude and then behave like a sore looser if they are defeated or worse yet, a sore winner after they one-shot you.

as for random invasions anything goes. don't expect any mercy nor remorse. unless it's something like that exploit that makes you invisible on the turning staircase in anor londo or the dragon head glitch…because that's just not cricket.

Nybbles wrote:…because that's just not cricket.

Bully.

It has been and always will be down to the players.

The bottom line is people suck, and annonymous people suck worse. The no glitch is ever to blame, its those who exploit it for less than scrupulous reasons that are at fualt.

That said, I agree with reaper, but I'd prefer the replayability. unlocking everything for the 100,000,000th time is boring as hell.

Motopsycho wrote:I stopped playing because i cant BB anymore.
I played through the game MANY times. Ive spent countless hours in pvp. I do NOT want to play pve for hours just to have a new build ready for PVP.

I understand griefing, but i think patching the BB glitch just hurt the pvp more than it helped, and in the end its the pvp community who keep the game alive.
imo.

It's not like PvP is gone... also, what possible 'builds' do you want to play that you can't make work w/ any of your current builds? Can you not try out builds w/ a SL200+ character first to see if it will be viable before investing time into another character?

I've said this before, but unless you're looking for very specific builds around a very specific weapon most builds simply revolve around Str, Dex, Int, Fth, or 'maybe' a combination of two or three of those. It seems to me that one high level character is all you'd need to have to 'test' new builds before investing time.

Forum Pirate wrote:It has been and always will be down to the players.

The bottom line is people suck, and annonymous people suck worse. The no glitch is ever to blame, its those who exploit it for less than scrupulous reasons that are at fualt.

That said, I agree with reaper, but I'd prefer the replayability. unlocking everything for the 100,000,000th time is boring as hell.

That's sad that you've stopped playing man, but like i've said to others already that's not what i'm trying to discuss here