Am I considered to be griefing?

Shindori wrote:
...what soul?

Hachouma wrote:But really, i think your only crime is being skilled in PvE and cutting Kalameet's tail at SL30

Shindori wrote:

ChizFreak wrote:

Shindori wrote:THANK YOU!!
Now see, if i was making them kill npcs or something like that, i'd understand. but i just go in, kill, get out.

Yes it's griefing. Actually, that's exactly what griefing is, invading players while you gear that it's not commonly accesible by those of that level. Griefing stops at level 40 to me. Once you reach Anor Londo, everything goes as that's mid-game, when people should be ready to face everything (also there you have lighting weapons).

It's like invading with an Ascended Pyromancy Hand +5 and spamming Great Combustion to level 5 players in the Burg, it's griefing.

To me, this post just seems to be you looking for people to tell you that what you're doing it's not wrong, this tells me that a part of you feels something is wrong.

Let me tell you, IMO it's griefing and it's wrong. Even if most people don't agree. You put your own rules, wanna grief? Okay do it, but don't fool yourself thinking it's not griefing.

I guess it's because I see griefing different from others. I see griefing as going in with stuff you havent even worked for, then using it against other players. Like i said, aside from the sword, I got through the whole game, even sliced kalameet's tail off and only then did I begin to use the sword online, but otherwise I left it untouched. I got the armor and upgraded it myself, and all i do is kill. I dont cause problems like most griefers do. I can see how some would consider it griefing, but if I got through the game at this low level and earned my way through, why should I not enjoy the spoils of my adventures? I'll probably start invading in anor londo soon, but i can see how doing this in the sewers or blighttown might be considered griefing.

aqueous12 wrote:

Shindori wrote:

ChizFreak wrote:

Shindori wrote:THANK YOU!!
Now see, if i was making them kill npcs or something like that, i'd understand. but i just go in, kill, get out.

Yes it's griefing. Actually, that's exactly what griefing is, invading players while you gear that it's not commonly accesible by those of that level. Griefing stops at level 40 to me. Once you reach Anor Londo, everything goes as that's mid-game, when people should be ready to face everything (also there you have lighting weapons).

It's like invading with an Ascended Pyromancy Hand +5 and spamming Great Combustion to level 5 players in the Burg, it's griefing.

To me, this post just seems to be you looking for people to tell you that what you're doing it's not wrong, this tells me that a part of you feels something is wrong.

Let me tell you, IMO it's griefing and it's wrong. Even if most people don't agree. You put your own rules, wanna grief? Okay do it, but don't fool yourself thinking it's not griefing.

I guess it's because I see griefing different from others. I see griefing as going in with stuff you havent even worked for, then using it against other players. Like i said, aside from the sword, I got through the whole game, even sliced kalameet's tail off and only then did I begin to use the sword online, but otherwise I left it untouched. I got the armor and upgraded it myself, and all i do is kill. I dont cause problems like most griefers do. I can see how some would consider it griefing, but if I got through the game at this low level and earned my way through, why should I not enjoy the spoils of my adventures? I'll probably start invading in anor londo soon, but i can see how doing this in the sewers or blighttown might be considered griefing.

The people that you are, yes, griefing could give less than a shiit about whether you worked for your gear or not. That has no bearing on whether something should be considered. It has to do with the effect you have on the person you attack.

If you fight them on even ground and beat them, then even though they lost they probably had a fun challenge fighting you, so I don't consider that griefing. But if you instead go in there with way higher gear and destroy them in 2 seconds, then yes that is griefing. They stood no chance and now have to repeat part of the level.

If you're so uber anyways, then why not fight them with level-appropriate gear?

barrywilkins wrote:I highly doubt anyone down there is looking specifically for pvp. Maybe hoping to fight a darkwraith or two while they quest to break up the constant monster bashing, but not looking to pick fights. Pretty much, you are by a pretty reasonable definition: griefing. But you already knew this, you planned around this, you wanted to do it. So i'm not really seeing the issue with doing it. The wolf pack isn't going to target the healthy stag when they can just kill the newborn.

reim0027 wrote:You are overpowered for a reasonable build in that area. What I try to do is have a fair build when I invade. But, I quickly eye the host and his phantoms up and take a SL guestimate. If they are OP, then out come OP weapons of my own.

Shindori wrote:THANK YOU!!
Now see, if i was making them kill npcs or something like that, i'd understand. but i just go in, kill, get out.

Shindori wrote:Lol.. even grounds.. Tell it to the kids with chaos scythes that take my health almost completely off.Trust me, there's not that many "Adventurers" down there. Hell, half the people led me to the little arena.

Well I dont do it to grieve, or planned on grieving. I just want a chance against the people who PVP in those areas, which i found a lot of, with gear better than mine, even.

I seem to be getting all the superop players x.x

DoughGuy wrote:Basically for grieifng use the common sense rule. Is the gear you are in OP for the level you are at? For you, yes. OGS is OP for the level you are at (shown clearly by you killing everyone in 2 hits) therefore you are probably griefing.

Serious_Much wrote:Technically you're griefing. The general gist of what is meant is someone who purposefully invades with a character with overlevelled gear for that are, which you are.

The fact of whether it is griefing is you should ask yourself; Can I one-shot/two shot someone with a katana? if you can then there's obviously something inherently wrong with that really.

To be honest dunno why you'd invade with such OP gear.. it can't be fun to be able to roll up, tank their puny hits and kill them with a flick of the wrist..

Tomhet wrote:Yes, if you have OP gear then it's griefing, and if you are killing people with one or two hits, then your gear is definitely OP.

Invading at low-levels with OP stuff is a really scummy practice if you ask me.

Sloth9230 wrote:

Tomhet wrote:Yes, if you have OP gear then it's griefing, and if you are killing people with one or two hits, then your gear is definitely OP.

Invading at low-levels with OP stuff is a really scummy practice if you ask me.

I wouldn't say that just the OP gear is enough to make them a griefer. Darkmoons for instance invade down, but they don't get to choose who they invade.

Also, I can 1-shot people at level 120 with TCC + Bellowing Dragoncrest + Crown of Dusk + Dark Bead. There are those that could argue that my gear is OP, and therefore that makes me a griefer. However, intent matters. Unless I'm doing it on purpose to piss people off, or ruin their day, I can't be a greifer. Even then, at level 120, the gear I'm using is reasonably available to everybody. There's probably other words you could use to describe me if I used such tactics, but griefer probably wouldn't be one of them. At least not in the way that this community uses the word.