Someone summons you and you let him die

I'm gonna cover the gankers point later, but the main thing I'm talking about here is trolling, you get summoned, and for some reason you let your host die (don't help him), you provoke his death (you block him in traps), you trick him into dangerous places (leading him to well, dangerous places without helping him), standing idle on purpose.


Now going into gankers:

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Gankers aside, going back to the main point, trolling phantoms, I've recently seen an example of this, and it's really a shame how some people really just wait for someone to summon them only to trick them into dangerous areas and let them die, this is specially annoying when I realize the host is a poor newbie using the drake sword... It's just bad, it's ruining their gameplay. This is even worse than griefing (in the common sense, see twink toons).

Just that, I believe I will get an obvious answer, but still, I've seen several people that support this kind of actions and it really saddens me...

I was posting a long text, pressed f5 by error. I will post later. Damn it.

Oh yea. I forgot to try screwing over the host by getting summoned as a white phantom and then blocking him in sens fortress.

Thanks for reminding me

Is it cowardly? Yes. Do I care? Nope. Pay evil unto evil. They may very well be other players, but they could give a damn about other players themselves. So why should other players show them any respect?

If I get summoned for a gank, then I will just stand around. if they don't like it they can kick me out themselves. If they want to complete a level, then I will do my best to help them, if that means killing a couple invaders, then so be it. However, I promised to help them with the level, not farm other players. If they want to stand around and screw over other players, then I will do my best to screw them over. Whether as a phantom or as an invader makes no difference to me.

I usually get glitch summoned into the forest a lot, and I usually do just stand around. The only exception is if another invader shows up while the host is in the middle of a fight. I don't want to completely sink to their level.

Remember gankers are not the main point of this thread, though they are a valid point of how people see whether or not is right to let them die when you're summoned by them. The main point is troll "friendly" phantoms.

Yeah I had to deal with this in the Depths when I was still a Sunbro. The host decided to summon me and one other guy. I can't remember the PSN and I don't really care too but he would stand around blocking the host and hope that he would die by the enemies. Luckily I was able to kill off the enemies until he tricked the host into challenging the gaping dragon before the channeler was dead. Needless to say he was chugging estus the whole battle, while I was fighting the gaping dragon, and the other phantom just stood in a corner.

In that case, no. It may be a pain in the butt sometimes, but if I'm putting my sign down it's because I'm agreeing to help people in whatever way I can.

The other day I got summoned for the Moonlight butterfly. The host wanted me to guide him to the Wolf ring and "help" him kill the Hydra. That's not what I was there for, but I figured I should help him out anyway.

However, I'm not an NPC, I don't have to behave in any certain way. I am free to choose who I help, and who I don't. I can also choose to get in their way if they happen to be a ganker. Only a moron wouldn't get the message after summoning me the first time.

I've actually caused my host to die in the best way once.

They were fighting the firekeeper in Anor Londo, and I was distracting the host by just standing/walking in front of the them. Host was sort of struggling, and I simply parried their attack, the firekeeper landing the riposte. Then I bowed. It was something too epic for words, actually.

10/10 sunbro.

It has never happened to me but I will never let the host die. Hell, I'll even take a dark bead point blank if it allowed him/her get the kill.

LunarFog wrote:Oh yea. I forgot to try screwing over the host by getting summoned as a white phantom and then blocking him in sens fortress.

Thanks for reminding me

You're not really a very nice person are you?

I always help my hosts, but if they want to gank, they summoned the wrong guy. For that reason I don't put signs in Burg, Kiln, Forest etc, or if I do, it's close to bossfog. If we just try to complete the level and get invaded, yeah, I'll jump on that invader with no mercy, but if the host just stands around, waiting for invaders, he's in bad luck.
I will just stand back and let them have a nice 1v1. If host doesn't like it, he can me out. I won't mind. I will help him only when there's more than one invader on him, but I will never help him against RSS phantoms.

I got my fair share of trolling phantoms, especially in Sens and Township and especially after one of Rosies videos. They usually try to block me so I get hit by a trap, lure me into activated elevator, or some other like that.

The problem is, that I almost always sport a melee character, so unless my phantom is a tank, I always go first.
I don't trust random people, so I'm always at least a bit suspicious of my own phantoms. I know it's not nice of me, but it's a dog eat dog world in Lordran.

I'm a warrior of the Sun. I will never let the host die before me or atleast try. I started co-op around level 10-15 and was summoned by a gravelord griefer. I got riposted by one of the minions and it was most likely the funniest death I had in dark souls. Praise the Sun \o/

The next day I see a message in the inbox saying see yourself on youtube.
I'm at 2:10ish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN9qV8S18NA

dusted wrote:I'm a warrior of the Sun. I will never let the host die before me or atleast try. I started co-op around level 10-15 and was summoned by a gravelord griefer. I got riposted by one of the minions and it was most likely the funniest death I had in dark souls. Praise the Sun \o/

The next day I see a message in the inbox saying see yourself on youtube.
I'm at 2:10ish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN9qV8S18NA

Even though I'm against griefing others, I found that hilarious.

I am strongly against the idea of not helping your host or phantom. If you're not going to give it your all, don't summon them or black crystal out.

Besides if I get summoned by a ganker, I will never let a host die. After all I'm a Sunbro and I am there to help people. Of course if the player is a ganker, well, that's a different story.

It's like stuffing your bra. It's false advertising.

Once I summoned a Smough look alike Sunbro in the Painted World. Then we went through the area trying to get to Priscilla. Sunbro stayed behind me the whole time. Then we got to the harpy tower, and an invader came. Then Sunbro ran away and hid, and the invader killed me. I didn't summon that fat, lazy, false sunbro again.

At least you can BC the phantom home and then not summon them again.

reim0027 wrote:At least you can BC the phantom home and then not summon them again.

Problem is you don't know what they're doing till it's too late.

It's like my fat sunbro. He had all of Smough's stuff equiped including the hammer. That's heavy. I only had 25% equipment burden. When he stayed behind me I thought it was because I was faster. I didn't know it was intensional until the invader came.

I once attempted to kill a host by blocking him in the pendulums. Stood right in front of the first one, he walked past me like "hah nice try man" then the next one punched him off the bridge into the titanite demon. Really he shoulda known better than to keep me around, I invaded him as a white phantom.

When I get summoned, I do everything in my power to protect my host. I'll even take a hit for them if I see no other way for them to survive. If there are arrows flying at them, I'll stand in front of them shield raised if they don't know how to deal with arrows. You get the idea.

Of course if I get summoned into the world of a ganker, I'll probably parry my host or block them from backing up, pretend to be helpful then screw them over and perhaps drop humanity for the invader so they can heal up. Nothing like blocking the passage for a Ganker on the Kiln walk ways haha.

Nah, trolling like that's just sad to be honest. Playing as a griefer covenant like Gravelord is ok as it's honest about what you do, and if I were killed by the griefee then I'd feel like I was just another boss in this epic game.