well yea 40/40 builds are obviously superior.. but that takes you out of the SL100 range.
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WTH is the point of a quality build..
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LunarFog wrote:...God, I f***ing love your face Glute
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Re: WTH is the point of a quality build..
by sparkly-twinkly-lizard Wed May 15, 2013 3:55 am
http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=463945303852478174
heres a lvl 100 40/40, though it is a dragon...
heres a lvl 100 40/40, though it is a dragon...
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Hey Glute...
What about Zwei, GS, Mura, Server...
You missed out on a few there
What about Zwei, GS, Mura, Server...
You missed out on a few there
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People often think that if you make a quality build, you HAVE to use c/c scaling weapons or you are wasting points. Halberd and Claymore are both very good weapons, but you can also use almost any str or dex weapon effectively and that gives you a lot of options. Since you brought up bss and msgs, then how about a build like this: http://mmdks.com/2bve Personally, i prefer claymore because of the moveset and range but that build is just a quick example of what i'm trying to say. I don't make quality builds for the extra AR, but for the versatility.
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I love quality builds, ideally 40/40 is the way to go but going that route means sacrificing poise or vit, and I'm inclined to sacrifice neither, so 28/40 it is(which also opens up the Mura). As for why I like quality builds, I love straightswords and greatswords, and while the damage isn't spectacular the movesets are nice. If you've ever fought Finpeku or seen X fight, you'll know straightswords are no joke.
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yea, i guess i made this thread when on my 27/100 build i made for the Sunlight Straight sword i came to the realization that BSS, was stronger, faster, longer and i felt like i wasted alot of points and it was no different then my dex build except had lower life and end. And that made me kinda disappointed.
i will prolly make a 40/40 120 build though.
i will prolly make a 40/40 120 build though.
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To me a quality build is just for variety in weapons, using non elemental weapons.
For me though, a quality build would be better having minimum stats for weapons you want, elemental weapons then pumping the rest of the stats into a type of magic for some kick *** firepower.
For me though, a quality build would be better having minimum stats for weapons you want, elemental weapons then pumping the rest of the stats into a type of magic for some kick *** firepower.
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the very best reason to make a 28/40 quality build is the murakumo.
the next best reason is that dex scaling falls off the cliff at 40 so might as well put the extra points into strength as lots of weapons can benefit from that, even if all they have is E scaling.
28/40 also gives you the best possible AR for the vast majority of the weapons in the game, the difference in AR on a 40/40 build is only around 5 points while two handing your weapon.
in my opinion, the only reason to have more than 28 strength is to meet weapon requirements and there's no reason to not have at least 28 strength. unless you are going for a pure dex build (no strength scaling weapons at all) .
i also find that dexterity scales better than strength, well at least until you hit 40 because it doesn't have the same x1.5 effect applied when two handing.
so, 28/40 might actually be the closest thing to a perfect melee build you can get in Dark Souls.
the next best reason is that dex scaling falls off the cliff at 40 so might as well put the extra points into strength as lots of weapons can benefit from that, even if all they have is E scaling.
28/40 also gives you the best possible AR for the vast majority of the weapons in the game, the difference in AR on a 40/40 build is only around 5 points while two handing your weapon.
in my opinion, the only reason to have more than 28 strength is to meet weapon requirements and there's no reason to not have at least 28 strength. unless you are going for a pure dex build (no strength scaling weapons at all) .
i also find that dexterity scales better than strength, well at least until you hit 40 because it doesn't have the same x1.5 effect applied when two handing.
so, 28/40 might actually be the closest thing to a perfect melee build you can get in Dark Souls.
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Move set.
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The zweihander is all the reason one needs
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lordgodofhell wrote:I have always seen quality builds as an intentional waste of points in order to feel better while dueling. It follows the same logic of people with high dex and no slots, or the guy using the moonlight greatsword with no slots.
This is the pinnacle of nonsense.
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Saturday-Saint wrote:lordgodofhell wrote:I have always seen quality builds as an intentional waste of points in order to feel better while dueling. It follows the same logic of people with high dex and no slots, or the guy using the moonlight greatsword with no slots.
This is the pinnacle of nonsense.
Allow me to go further in depth so that you can better understand.
There is no advantage to a quality build over one purely made for either dex or strength. Those pure builds will always have more hp than the quality build while still hitting hard.
The small Ar increase one gets from 40/40 (which should be 27/40) can be replaced by gold pine for practically the same outputs. While maintaining higher health.
People feel better when they can use all the weps on one build which is what I meant by "feel better" dueling. However, games been out a while, having 2 builds, one dex other strength is wiser.
Having no slots with high dex or mlgs would be nonsense... But far from the Dark Souls "pinnacle" of non sense.
I hope that helped as I am not the confrontational type.
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I would make a long post, but I already done the same thing with Quality about 3 times now...
Quality builds are good for these reasons:
1) They have variety, so you can play around with the character. This is a non-practical reason.
2) They can save weight because most of their weapons have similar AR for less weight (especially with STR) and have other advantages (The Zwei and Greatsword stunlock; WP has range).
3) 40/40/15/- hurts...a lot...with anything.
4) They are the favorite of players that don't concern themselves much with HP or would use the FaP...like me.
Quality builds are good for these reasons:
1) They have variety, so you can play around with the character. This is a non-practical reason.
2) They can save weight because most of their weapons have similar AR for less weight (especially with STR) and have other advantages (The Zwei and Greatsword stunlock; WP has range).
3) 40/40/15/- hurts...a lot...with anything.
4) They are the favorite of players that don't concern themselves much with HP or would use the FaP...like me.
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Re: WTH is the point of a quality build..
by sparkly-twinkly-lizard Wed May 15, 2013 6:58 pm
@lordgodofhell
i take it you don't quick swap weapons at all, at 40/40 you can use every weapon but the magic ones to full potential, that means a alot if you switch weapons midcombat, also ever tried dual wielding a spear in the off hand with a large str weapon?, thay balance each others weaknesses quite well.
http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=493469167233071366
i take it you don't quick swap weapons at all, at 40/40 you can use every weapon but the magic ones to full potential, that means a alot if you switch weapons midcombat, also ever tried dual wielding a spear in the off hand with a large str weapon?, thay balance each others weaknesses quite well.
http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=493469167233071366
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These last 2 posts^ sum me up perfect.
A 40/40 dual wielding a demon spear, claymor combo has got to be one of the greastest combos in the game, or maybe that's just me.
A 40/40 dual wielding a demon spear, claymor combo has got to be one of the greastest combos in the game, or maybe that's just me.
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sparkly-twinkly-lizard wrote:@lordgodofhell
i take it you don't quick swap weapons at all, at 40/40 you can use every weapon but the magic ones to full potential, that means a alot if you switch weapons midcombat, also ever tried dual wielding a spear in the off hand with a large str weapon?, thay balance each others weaknesses quite well.
http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=493469167233071366
I mean I have tried every tactic in this game. Quick swapping included. Off hand spears all that jazzy stuff is cool.
Your build is actually really cool. I hate the Giants chest piece but that's just me.
My main playstyle (back when I played) was along these lines http://mmdks.com/2c3a
And for Strength http://mmdks.com/2c3e
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lordgodofhell wrote:...Having no slots with high dex or mlgs would be nonsense...
I'm not judging or anything, but that statement got me thinking...
....No Attunement MLGS???
I know you could switch for the Hollow Soldiers Panies and MoF or whatever, but it looks playable to me.
Again, I was just curious so I started using monkey.
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Back on topic:
I never used a quality build with regularity, but some of the builds on mugen look fun I guess.
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It allows you to use the Great Club to weaken the opponent/make them sure you're slow, and then pull out the Baller Swag Sword to finish them off.
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Maneater_Mildred wrote:These last 2 posts^ sum me up perfect.
A 40/40 dual wielding a demon spear, claymor combo has got to be one of the greastest combos in the game, or maybe that's just me.
Having been on the receiving end on that combo before I can vouch for it's ridiculous ability
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Animaaal wrote:lordgodofhell wrote:...Having no slots with high dex or mlgs would be nonsense...
I'm not judging or anything, but that statement got me thinking...
....No Attunement MLGS???
I know you could switch for the Hollow Soldiers Panies and MoF or whatever, but it looks playable to me.
Again, I was just curious so I started using monkey.
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Back on topic:
I never used a quality build with regularity, but some of the builds on mugen look fun I guess.
What he's implying is that with all the points you've invested into int, it is a waste to not accommodate spells into your build.
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kazumoshi wrote:...What he's implying is that with all the points you've invested into int, it is a waste to not accommodate spells into your build....
Thanks, but I know what he's implying, and I would tend to agree with it as well. I'm familiar with mages and attunement/s.
I was just wondering if a MLGS build without any attunements would be considered a complete waste no matter what.
But again, this is kinda off-topic, sorry bout that.
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http://mmdks.com/2c55
MLGS no slots build.
MLGS no slots build.
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Put some clothes on you streaker!!!! Unless you're a chick....mugen is horrible about that. :|
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No spells MLGS build is actually very good. Imagine a dex build that has flamberge and silver knight spear. Replace them with MLGS and MLBH and you got yourself a pure magic damage melee build. Something like this: http://mmdks.com/2c9s
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