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    Post by Crowned Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:12 pm

    Okay,so we had Scrape Spears in Demons Soul's. Whats Dark Souls's designated 'Troll weapon'? Personally,I think it'd be Thorn armor and that Butterfly shield.
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    Post by Carphil Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:14 pm

    Well I would say that used to be, but now it has been nerfed.

    I really don't like turtles but that don't mean trolling, just an opinion
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    Post by ViralEnsign_ Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:15 pm

    Not too sure maybe the Moonlight Greatsword I know that a lot of people have issues with it I sure do (silly stun locking my light armoured ***)sad .

    I'm not too sure how the scraping spear was used in DeS so I think in Darksouls its more how you use the weapons.

    Though in the Parish I see heaps of lightning greatswords and shotel.
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    Post by ChizFreak Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:02 pm

    Full thorns armor, 2 bonewheel shields. and have a pyromancy hand to cast Acid Surge.
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    Post by Specter737 Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:06 pm

    The scraping sear was a troll weapon???
    Well.... I owe many many many people an apology then lol Troll Gear 1330857165

    I'd say it's been a general consensus that those wearing the giants set or havels set, one of the 3 family masks, the dark wood grain ring, while wielding a lightning zweihander, or black knight greataxe is most likely a troll.

    I may end up agreeing with the early statement about the moonlight greatsword being part of that list, since I have been seeing it more and more, often in conjunction with said troll equipment and the usually spammed abilities (wog). My whole deal about it not being a troll weapon is that it may be fast, but most people I've seen trolling with it use it solely for it's 1H and 2H strong attacks, but it kills it's durability, and casting great magic barrier on you makes it pretty much just a flashy basterd sword. IMO.
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    Post by Serious_Much Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:32 pm

    yes scraping spear was the epitamy of troll weapons silly

    I think it's more equipment that's troll. The most troll thing I can think of is the hornets ring or the Spam of WoG
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    Post by reim0027 Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:43 pm

    Telltale signs of a troll, subset jumper, is full Havel's + MoF. Usually, they'll have a Zwei or BKGA. And, if they have Havel buddies, prepare to be jumped.
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    Post by callipygias Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:06 pm

    I'm more out of touch than I thought. I assumed the "troll" thing was based on actions, not gear. Is it that using certain weapons or armor is somehow unfair? And is this based on PVP only? If not then I owe the 4 Kings an apology for past wrongs.
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    Post by reim0027 Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:10 pm

    Kinda. But, certain weapons and armor are favored by the trolls, because it makes trolling easier.
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    Post by Serious_Much Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:19 pm

    yeah calli certain items or tactics are also troll like, for instance a WoG spam or fishing for a pivot hornet ring backstab, or more commonly invader ganking
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    Post by Dj-B-Man-Jr Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:27 pm

    Don't forget those intended guranteed dead angles, everytime i see a murakumo or gravelord sword i crap myself Prostration
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    Post by reim0027 Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:46 pm

    ^^ Scythe too.
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    Post by Forum Pirate Sun Mar 04, 2012 9:56 pm

    thats not really trolling.... its my anti turtle/parry punish technique. block less dodge more is my strategy whenever i see the dead angle prone weapons.
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    Post by reim0027 Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:02 pm

    I agree. Not trolling at all. I like those dead angles. It is another way to deal with turtles.
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    Post by Forum Pirate Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:14 pm

    your buddy storm would have murdered me a few times if he hadn't failed that first 1 like 20 seconds in. switched to the scythe immediately, i'd only attacked with the kat like twice when he partialed it.

    now a guy i saw in the forest naked with a lightning gaxe+hornets ring. that was a troll. pivot bs, you die, repeat.
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    Post by Dj-B-Man-Jr Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:23 pm

    All good points, but when you fight someone who does nothing but menu-switch weapons and dead angle...thats considerd trolling, no?

    So very true about the great axe bs
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    Post by Tolvo Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:30 pm

    I'd say maybe, Demon Spear? Not for it ignoring blocks, you really shouldn't be relying on blocks in PvP anyway. I'd say more for the range, Dragonslayer spear could fall into that category as well.
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    Post by Forum Pirate Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:37 pm

    uhhh. not sure. i'm not like that but i usually bs or wog punish those people, then they stop. maby they figure if its not broke don't fix it. my dead angels are usually block cancelled scythe attacks. (as soon as allack hits/misses block and the 'stagger' animation is cut, useful to avoid a bs punish) and i'll just keep it up unless they get wise. not trolling just evading the shield to do damage/ keep the pressure up.
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    Post by reim0027 Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:39 pm

    I don't think that's trolling. I consider that strategy. It takes a little time to change weapons, so he is vulnerable. If you know that's what he's going to do, then adjust your strategy (like stay super aggressive). But, trolling is a matter of opinion.
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    Post by Tolvo Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:41 pm

    I'd say it has more to do with the intent of a player with what they have. It's a mind set rather than a set of armor or weapons.

    I'm pretty sure Serious already said this though.
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    Post by BLA1NE Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:53 am

    2 things I've done that could be considered trolling:

    - Shoot people with a bow until they turtle, then switch to my shotel.

    - Chameleon, and CSS when they approach.
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    Post by Midgar Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:31 am

    Crowned wrote:Okay,so we had Scrape Spears in Demons Soul's. Whats Dark Souls's designated 'Troll weapon'? Personally,I think it'd be Thorn armor and that Butterfly shield.

    Stormruler was where it was at don't remember that spear. Flinging people 10 feet to fly off a cliff was hilarious.
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    Post by BLA1NE Mon Mar 05, 2012 2:50 am

    Midgar wrote:Stormruler was where it was at don't remember that spear. Flinging people 10 feet to fly off a cliff was hilarious.
    Scraping Spear was the one that broke your opponent's gear when you attacked them. It was a really weak weapon too, so it was definitely purely for the troll!
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    Post by Tolvo Mon Mar 05, 2012 6:41 am

    Acid Surge Crystal Out maybe?
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    Post by aceluby Mon Mar 05, 2012 11:20 am

    I don't consider any weapons or armor to be 'troll' weapons/armor. They all have a counter and those that use cheapish tactics typically are one dimensional.

    With that being said, anyone who is using end game gear at low levels in the burg, parish, depths or bt are definitely trolls, even for co-op IMO.

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