Reaperfan wrote:That is an insultingly exclusionary attitude towards another person's opinions.
No, it is discourteous of a person to barge into an ongoing reasoned debate to simply drop opinions as fact without backing or consideration for the ongoing discussions.
Reaperfan wrote:If they don't initially back up their beliefs, why don't you ask them for more about their take? Why should everyone be forced to come in on your level or else be ousted from the discussion?
Firstly, as above, they should show the common courtesy of explaining their stance first. And secondly, the burden of proof is always on the one to present the conclusion. I believe in God =/= my God is fact. Thus my opinion adds nothing to the ongoing debate as to whether God is or is not and how or where or why. It simply adds nothing.
Reaperfan wrote:They obviously don't share the same opinions as everyone else involved. Why do they need to ask you to reinforce your opinion further on a topic they already know they'll disagree on to be considered "contributing?" That doesn't further discussion, that just creates arguments, and is very likely the reason you don't see any honestly dissenting opinions in this thread.
Nobody asked them to agree. Tolvo pointed out he was not contributing to the discussion because he simply said "well I think blah" without any backing, justification or reasoning. "Honestly dissenting opinions" are just opinions, the same as "honestly agreeable opinions". If you want to participate in a reasonable debate, you will present backing to those opinions or you will be told you aren't adding anything. This is rule n.1 of any proper debate process.
Reaperfan wrote:I tried and failed due to my own lack of communication skills, and the only other thing I've read besides TooLeet's post was someone who openly proclaimed they were only playing Devil's Advocate. A bunch of people sitting in a room agreeing with each other isn't discussion. For lack of a more sophisticated word, it's called a circlejerk.
I am very sorry that you cannot appreciate the subtleties and ongoing conversations here. Many people have brought forth different points that have been expressed. Tolvo was asking hey should we consider minimal stuff too? Others added the issues of Father discrimination. And maybe you are not aware but there are a lot of PMs going around commenting on the good overall tone of the community and the positive things coming out of this. To me, it feels like you feel the "there is no sexism" side isn't represented and the answer as to why is not that we don't want that opinion, it is that said opinion is not a fact, and it is an untenable position to hold in a debate.
Reaperfan wrote:Though I see you're done here. I can respect the avoidance of a derailing, but I'm still offended at how off-handedly you rejected another person's perspective.
He did not dismiss the perspective, he simply stated that people who aren't willing to explain said perspective when they interject in a post are not adding to the conversation and equally detracting from it.
I do not see why people insist on attempting to defend the indefensible.