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The Perfect Build
Myztyrio- Insomniac
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The Perfect Build
What is your definition of a perfect build? What aspects of the game do you want it to revel in? Where should you soul level, investments, equipment, lie?
Feel free to explain in depth your answer(s) and debate with one another. If enough varied answers arise, I will make a poll.
Feel free to explain in depth your answer(s) and debate with one another. If enough varied answers arise, I will make a poll.
SadPanda- Caffeinated
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Re: The Perfect Build
Something that can cover wherever areas you like the most. I personally like quality builds emphasizing slow and fast weapons. A good example is my leo build which uses a Greatsword and a Rapier/Warpick.
raecor14- Insomniac
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Re: The Perfect Build
easy, something that is at a PVP hotspot soul level. something that has a well thought out set-up, not min maxing. something that combines weapon typed and lastly something that looks badass
xenon_nobelium- Obsessed
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Re: The Perfect Build
http://mmdks.com/3ici this is the perfect build!
jokes aside, a lvl100 char needs:
fast roll
61-76poise
max scaling weapon(s)
imo
jokes aside, a lvl100 char needs:
fast roll
61-76poise
max scaling weapon(s)
imo
Serious_Much- Moderator Trainee
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Re: The Perfect Build
Can't do high level sorcery or miracles- not thanksxenon_nobelium wrote:http://mmdks.com/3ici this is the perfect build!
jokes aside, a lvl100 char needs:
fast roll
61-76poise
max scaling weapon(s)
imo
To me, a perfect build is a build that has good poise, power, fast roll, long range option of attack, good health/stamina and looks awesome. Has to be a SL120 as it's the classic level.
For me it would probably be a dex/int hybrid, buffed dex weapon, offhand moonlight horn.. something like this
http://mmdks.com/3mi3
Dutchy- Obsessed
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Re: The Perfect Build
I just love fast weapons, fast rolls, fast cars, fast women... Oh, sorry But anything that looks awesome and is fast FAST FAST! (I love the look of artorias armour, gold hemmed head and pants, and Ciaran Gloves!)
TheMeInTeam- Insomniac
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Re: The Perfect Build
http://mmdks.com/3mjt
Nothing like a fastrolling giant's dex/pyro at 120. With just under 1900 health.
Rapier for turtle pokes, shotel for obvious reasons. You could run black flame x2 and go for poise trades that way too. In fact, people won't expect that if you time your switch just right. Suddenly on 45 dex you have as much poise trade + stunlock threat as a freaking mace. With 77 poise and a boatload of hp, this build is as obnoxious as any at 120.
Buff or hybrid builds can sacrifice defense/poise for more dps on a weapon buff, and which is best is strictly preference.
Nothing like a fastrolling giant's dex/pyro at 120. With just under 1900 health.
Rapier for turtle pokes, shotel for obvious reasons. You could run black flame x2 and go for poise trades that way too. In fact, people won't expect that if you time your switch just right. Suddenly on 45 dex you have as much poise trade + stunlock threat as a freaking mace. With 77 poise and a boatload of hp, this build is as obnoxious as any at 120.
Buff or hybrid builds can sacrifice defense/poise for more dps on a weapon buff, and which is best is strictly preference.
SirArchmage- Insomniac
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Re: The Perfect Build
For me I made three builds, because of the variety of my playstyle.
I believe in the normal things that make a build great. It should have a ranged option, able to dish out more then one type of damage if necessary, able to fend people off at both high and low health, does not rely on a tactic, has enough health to not be one-shot, and can fight well against any playstyle.
Is also nice to have a good amount of defense, but since it doesn't matter unless you have ridiculously high amounts, won't really count that in.
Also, for me, aesthetically pleasing looks is a big thing, so I put that into two of the builds.
Now the first one is a battle-mage. http://mmdks.com/3mji I believe this to be one of the best classes in, well, every game there is. I always pick it and I know it's strengths and weaknesses. It has a decent shield, good defense, and looks great aesthetically(silver knight cape ftw). It can fight against GMB, has an array of spells, and plenty of ways to combo in attacks that kill the enemy in an instant. There are way too many variations of battle-mages in this game to count, so I will leave it at this one.
A quality tank. http://mmdks.com/3mja or http://mmdks.com/3mkf For me, it is perfectly fine to be mid-rolling. I know how to do it. I rarely even rely on my shield(despite me putting much effort into working in a Greatshield on one of them). It has a ranged option, able to use most weapons, and the current weapons can deal out much damage with the Washing Pole to finish off their last bit of health. Black knight shield for pyromancies, Big Hat for magic, and giant armor for physical defense. All with enough poise for three hits from a two-handed Katana, curved sword or straight sword. The other one is similar, though simply lowered poise to withstand a two-handed Ultra Greatsword. Versatile in many situations and can fight well against every type of build.
Then there is this. http://mmdks.com/3mkk
This monstrous abomination. I hate to say it but it is extremely effective. It can dead-angle, has more health then most builds, can do around 500-600 damage each swing, fast-rolls, and has enough poise to withstand an Ultra Greatsword. What it lacks in defense it makes up in sheer power. While lacking a ranged option, it has WoG and TWoP to help it out. The perfect build for trading-hits.
These are some of my most effective builds. Love the first one for invading, the second one for hosting, and the third for gank-spanking.
I believe in the normal things that make a build great. It should have a ranged option, able to dish out more then one type of damage if necessary, able to fend people off at both high and low health, does not rely on a tactic, has enough health to not be one-shot, and can fight well against any playstyle.
Is also nice to have a good amount of defense, but since it doesn't matter unless you have ridiculously high amounts, won't really count that in.
Also, for me, aesthetically pleasing looks is a big thing, so I put that into two of the builds.
Now the first one is a battle-mage. http://mmdks.com/3mji I believe this to be one of the best classes in, well, every game there is. I always pick it and I know it's strengths and weaknesses. It has a decent shield, good defense, and looks great aesthetically(silver knight cape ftw). It can fight against GMB, has an array of spells, and plenty of ways to combo in attacks that kill the enemy in an instant. There are way too many variations of battle-mages in this game to count, so I will leave it at this one.
A quality tank. http://mmdks.com/3mja or http://mmdks.com/3mkf For me, it is perfectly fine to be mid-rolling. I know how to do it. I rarely even rely on my shield(despite me putting much effort into working in a Greatshield on one of them). It has a ranged option, able to use most weapons, and the current weapons can deal out much damage with the Washing Pole to finish off their last bit of health. Black knight shield for pyromancies, Big Hat for magic, and giant armor for physical defense. All with enough poise for three hits from a two-handed Katana, curved sword or straight sword. The other one is similar, though simply lowered poise to withstand a two-handed Ultra Greatsword. Versatile in many situations and can fight well against every type of build.
Then there is this. http://mmdks.com/3mkk
This monstrous abomination. I hate to say it but it is extremely effective. It can dead-angle, has more health then most builds, can do around 500-600 damage each swing, fast-rolls, and has enough poise to withstand an Ultra Greatsword. What it lacks in defense it makes up in sheer power. While lacking a ranged option, it has WoG and TWoP to help it out. The perfect build for trading-hits.
These are some of my most effective builds. Love the first one for invading, the second one for hosting, and the third for gank-spanking.
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Re: The Perfect Build
A build that is fast and can dish out good damage, as well as being viable for any situation; both close-up and from a distance. It would need vertical, horizontal, diaganol, and thrusting attacks. A straightsword variant immediately comes to mind for me, particularly the Longsword or Sunlight Straightsword, although the latter is a little slower and heavier for a negligible damge boost. A spear weapon as a secondary for when you need to out-range your opponent while still doing a good amount of damage, and a Bow off-hand for when sniping is necessary. A good shield with high stability and good defensive stats, preferably one that can parry. At least 31 poise in order to tank a few hits from the faster weapons, but light enough to dodge the slower weapons. A good amount of health, and some good ring bonuses to boot. And of course, it has to be stylish.
http://mmdks.com/3mlo
Of course, this is just my idea of a perfect build. This probably isn't viable for PvP use, however in PvE it would work beauitifully.
http://mmdks.com/3mlo
Of course, this is just my idea of a perfect build. This probably isn't viable for PvP use, however in PvE it would work beauitifully.
TheMeInTeam- Insomniac
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Re: The Perfect Build
^ Pure quality builds can always be made PvP competitive though .
http://mmdks.com/3mmf
Menu-swap SKS. Short bow for sniping + weight tradeoff, huge HP.
http://mmdks.com/3mmf
Menu-swap SKS. Short bow for sniping + weight tradeoff, huge HP.
Jester's Tears- Insomniac
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Re: The Perfect Build
Naked, a really BIG sword and a sack.
Perfect~~~~
Perfect~~~~
Aigaios- Addicted
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Re: The Perfect Build
No build is perfect, there are builds that are stronger then other builds, builds that work better in other situations but there is no perfect build. Even if there was a perfect build playing with such build would be pointless as if it is perfect then it would be in every way superior to other builds making it boring to play with. It would also have no place for improvement meaning that skill, tactics and experience would be meaningless.
SirArchmage- Insomniac
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Re: The Perfect Build
Ugh. I made a bet with someone on how soon someone would say EXACTLY this. I bet within the first twelve hours.Aigaios wrote:No build is perfect, there are builds that are stronger then other builds, builds that work better in other situations but there is no perfect build. Even if there was a perfect build playing with such build would be pointless as if it is perfect then it would be in every way superior to other builds making it boring to play with. It would also have no place for improvement meaning that skill, tactics and experience would be meaningless.
If only you said this 2 hours earlier.
Jester's Tears- Insomniac
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Re: The Perfect Build
Belive me.Aigaios wrote:No build is perfect, there are builds that are stronger then other builds, builds that work better in other situations but there is no perfect build. Even if there was a perfect build playing with such build would be pointless as if it is perfect then it would be in every way superior to other builds making it boring to play with. It would also have no place for improvement meaning that skill, tactics and experience would be meaningless.
When you're naked. And have a BIG SWORD.
You'll win. Everytime. Unless you fight someone who is even more naker. And has a BIGGER SWORD.
TheMeInTeam- Insomniac
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Re: The Perfect Build
What matters more with the bigness of the sword? Thickness or length? A balance should be achieved, but perhaps one will be forced to make a choice and priorities must be known, lest they come across a superior individual.
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Re: The Perfect Build
You know what they say about men with big swords.
SlintEastwood- Casual
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Re: The Perfect Build
Dex/Pyro for duels in the sl100 to 125 range, though for "all out" pvp probably a one-shot build since it's only thing that shuts down db's (aside from a chain, but a competent pvper should be avoiding them more often than not IMO).
Phoenix Rising- Caffeinated
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Re: The Perfect Build
Nothing is better than my 40/40 quality build. No matter how many builds I make, I always seem to come back to it.
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Re: The Perfect Build
Something that fights how you are the best. I like 1 handing weapons (so I can attempt to parry) and not casting or projectiles. So, most of my builds are centered around those tenets, with some differences.
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Re: The Perfect Build
Imo the perfect build fits your play style while maximizing what you are best at. In addition, it still has adequate armor ratings.
http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=444591827702583369
Allows me to use the chaos uchi and rapier while having 315 armor down the board along with 54 poise. I can swap the uchi for a balder to use the grass crest shield with this combo aswell. Of course at sl 120-130 armor becomes fairly easy while quickrolling unless your weapons are 10lbs.
http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=444591827702583369
Allows me to use the chaos uchi and rapier while having 315 armor down the board along with 54 poise. I can swap the uchi for a balder to use the grass crest shield with this combo aswell. Of course at sl 120-130 armor becomes fairly easy while quickrolling unless your weapons are 10lbs.
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Re: The Perfect Build
The perfect build is whatever you have the most fun using.
sparkly-twinkly-lizard- Compulsory Poster
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Re: The Perfect Build
http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=370607778842987846
Dibsville- Abyss Dweller
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Re: The Perfect Build
While there is no "perfect" build per se, like you said, there are builds that are better against MORE enemies than some other builds. As an example: a light and agile bowman may have the upperhand against a tank, however will be at more of a disadvantage when fighting someone with a long-reaching spear.Aigaios wrote:No build is perfect, there are builds that are stronger then other builds, builds that work better in other situations but there is no perfect build. Even if there was a perfect build playing with such build would be pointless as if it is perfect then it would be in every way superior to other builds making it boring to play with. It would also have no place for improvement meaning that skill, tactics and experience would be meaningless.
Then again, the spear user may also have an advantage over the tank. So a spear user could be useful in more situations than the bowman.
In essence, the idea of the "perfect build" would be one that could be used in more situations than any other build; as in no matter what the scenario was, it would have the upperhand or at least be on some even ground.
That's just my definition of it, which is why I chose a quality build-- something that is agile with high damage and is good for both close-up or far away fighting. But since nothing is perfect, a quality build is the best it gets in terms of usefulness in all situations (in my opinion).