Ghost Strike

do you...do you really!

TooLeet wrote:This really isn't such a big deal as everyone is making it out to be. If you're a dedicated turtle, i understand why your feelings will be hurt. Maybe don't sit there and hide behind your shield. Also, this isn't some crazy tactic in which it is impossible to defend against. It's just like any R1/R2. Dodge it. Get out of the way.

I understand the point of it is damaging through a shield but what's new? It's a new way to dead angle. A harder way to dead angle. Go try it and see if you pwn all dem scrubz wif dem sik skeelz. You won't. It's nothing special. Play how you normally play. If you're not a turtle, you have nothing to worry about.

Turtles don't have thumbs so everyone should be okay.  

Amen, I don't see why everyone is so butthurt over this. It's harder to pull off, and it can be countered, unlike TWoD or something.

Personally i'll start practicing this as soon as possible. Tired of having to waste 5 minutes staring down a turtle because they're so paranoid that they don't dare make a bloody move.

People get butthurt because it's an abuse of the system. While turtles are frustrating, why should we disregard the purpose of the shield? Add one more annoying exploit to be wary of, sigh.

I must admit, i was worried when i saw this video a while back. But i gave it some thought and i don't think this is as overpowered as many people think. It requires you to be very close to your opponent (with most weapons), if you fail it's blocked normally or you turn your back to your opponent. This can also be parried. Those things considered, you counter this exactly the same way as you counter any predictable attacking, parries, backstabs, or perhaps a black flame to face?

If anything, this might be a good addition to pvp. Currently it is so easy to play very passively and only look for the best openings never making the first move yourself. This might help the more aggressive and active playstyle some people enjoy.

This will probably become the new reverse roll. Meaning, a technique people like to spam and waste their time on that does nothing 90% of time. Will this be useful? In some situations, yes, most likely. Will this break pvp completely and make shields useless? No. Feel free to prove me wrong in pvp.

Rolling.

It simply lets you turn a select many attacks into a Shotel. Nothing special, especially considering the Shotel stunlocks (and this won't always). Also, it is about 1000 times harder to use than the Shotel. It is also incredibly easy to read if you're trying to make it easier on yourself by using slow attacks. Simply apply all the counters to the Shotel to this tactic.

Now, if you can get unblockable arrows/bolts, then that is another story.

im going to rejoin the discussion now that people are willing to not condemn it straight away, i have been using this most of the day today in the burg when i naff it up i get bsd, and if they know what im doing they parry me the same as a normal attack.

All I wanna say is I feel really bad for shields in PvP. Half the exploits and glitches on this game seem to be devoted to making them redundant..

wall's gonna be pissed!

If there is a new way to fight in PvP, it is essential we learn how to counter it. People are talking about how "broken" PvP is. Well, if you don't learn how to counter new moves, it will seem more and more broken. It is not easy to do, and is very punishable - by a highly powerful move like a backstab. Chain BSing is a glitch. It looks like you are being teleported back into into their weapon. Should we just ignore that? NO. We need to learn how to counter it.

And, the Ravioli step is another "glitch" that is hard to do and is arguably more powerful, since it can teleport you behind your opponent giving you a BS. Nobody is complaining about that.

Instead of being a doomsayer, how about we take a positive spin on this. There is this move that can cause problems. Let's discuss how to kick the arses of people who have the temerity to try this move.

If you see someone trying this move, it will be obvious as they will do an obvious move that will likely fail many times. They will likely try to spam this move and therefore, you can punish them.

1. Strafe
2. Parry
3. Distance
4. GC/BF
5. BS!!
6. Roll
7. Stun
8. Force
9. Predict (and punish (likely very easy to do).
10. Others? Please add if you think of other counters for this move.

Thank you reim, your the first person to see what im saying and share my view.

We have two choices. Whine ***** moan and get dragged kicking and screaming. or we can embrace these "exploits" and find ways to counter them. I know what i would rather do

All I'm going to say is for you people discussing this glitch so openly, I'm highly disappointed in you and this has really hurt my view of the forum with how some are reacting.

Its here to stay. It will likely become common knowledge. We may not talk about how to do it here, but we NEED to talk about how to defend against it.

This is what I'm talking about, I said we should learn how to defend against it many of us have.  But people aren't even reading what we're saying, they're just instantly assuming we don't want to discuss this and how to counter it.  A lot of you guys are acting pretty damn ignorant and it is incredibly shameful.  I just said we shouldn't talk about how to do it or post videos on how to do it.  The video posted in this thread details how to do the glitch which is against the forum rules.  This is a volatile glitch that while seemingly fine can lead into some majorly deadly exploits.  Try to think of how simple dead angles seemed until dead angle WotG was discovered.  That sort of difference in power that people in general likely don't know about yet and might figure out if we continue to tell people how to do it like how people have been told how to do it in this thread.

Well, the video is gone, so let's turn this in a positive light. We've got a discovery here. Let's make everyone aware of how to spot it and punish it.

Back in the day when I tested this against slower weapons a good counter I found for them was to kick them then go for a backstab them.  As was mentioned above black flame and Great combustion are both excellent solutions.  Lag is sort of an issue since you will not recognize it in time.  A way to recognize it easily is that when attacking a person will in a single frame turn away and start an attack which will appear to cancel out.  Then they will face you and start the attack again, with that delay it is possibly to role BS people with some weapons or on sight parry them due to that slight delay.  Just be wary because they can feint a ghost strike so there is a mind game element there.

And, that mind element may actually make the gameplay more interesting too . . .

Indeed it has potential to add some depth with feints and such along with making parrying harder for some since if one does the ghost strike there is a delay meaning the parry timing is a bit delay.  Prediction parries won't be as easy but for some weapons on sight ones will be easier.

they're dead angles, can they be parried?

Also, spear r1+dead angle= not ok. seriously, screw that noise. i really hope i'm not needing to explain why.

I don't think spear's R1 can do that.