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    Post by SunlightCrusader on Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:46 pm

    Hmm just know that our covs are destined to be the greatest of foes Dan. We represent the opposite ends of morality. Ha I guess I have always been a DM at heart; I have a strong sense of justice.


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    Post by dancash1808 on Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:51 pm

    Hehe, A strong sense of justice clashes with a sense of fair play on this occasion.
    Invading downwards? Psh, real men use the RSS silly


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    Post by Serious_Much on Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:52 pm

    dancash1808 wrote:Hehe, A strong sense of justice clashes with a sense of fair play on this occasion.
    Invading downwards? Psh, real men use the RSS silly

    Actually the orb searches for people at similar or higher level first, and only invades down after that silly (least that's what I've read somewhere)


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    Post by dancash1808 on Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:56 pm

    I belive that to be correct, however as far as I know with the RSS It selects near and above which is by far giving your opponent a fairer fight.
    when I did darkmoon in order to obtain my talisman I ran into A hacker, A farmer 3 times (the same one). and most of the rest were pretty helpless players. one of whom tried to run away up the 2 silver knights with greatbows path... If someone summons you through an RSS they know what they are getting themselves into.


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    Post by billy_bayonet on Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:57 pm

    they invade down based on sin one of the bronies did some maths for it


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    Post by dancash1808 on Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:58 pm

    Hey, it may be just to take out a guy I only got 2k souls for but it really didnt feel fair xD


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    Post by Serious_Much on Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:58 pm

    Yeah, with Blue orb I usually only invade in PvP hotspots and duelling areas like Kiln or Darkroot garden so I wasn't invading noobs.

    even Anor londo invasions I got fair fights, I even met one of the guys off the forum when I was invading in anor londo silly

    Also yeah, the soul returns you get for DM invasions are really bad. that's why to farm I red orb/soap to get souls to SL120 or whatever then go DM after


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    Post by Forum Pirate on Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:35 pm

    I don't invade before anor londo in maxed stuff, My gear and sl always reflect the area I'm invading.


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    Post by dancash1808 on Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:02 am

    ^ I was invading in anor londo and then later the forest because I was feeling guilty. I didnt have maxed gear, I think my weapon was +14 and my armour was like +6 or 7...


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    Post by Serious_Much on Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:51 am

    I don't mind invading with higher up gear, especially since my friends will almost always have helpers with maxed gear and hide behind them silly


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    Post by Forum Pirate on Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:18 am

    I'm involved, its not a fair fight anyways, but I prefer to give them a chance. I always have a maxed backup weapon as well, I'm nice, not stupid.


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    Post by SunlightCrusader on Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:07 pm

    Well I'm invading in Anor Londo so I will definitely be using maxed gear.


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    Post by dancash1808 on Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:12 pm

    Forum Pirate wrote:I'm involved, its not a fair fight anyways,
    I disagree, I always thought the point of a fair fight was that it was decided on the two combatants relative skill levels. No matter how good you are its still a fair fight unless you have some kind of other advantage.
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    Post by Forum Pirate on Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:16 pm

    The definition of fair is free from bias, dishonesty, or injustice.

    Skill bias is still bias, fair is used to refer to the second and third words most often, but they is only part of its meaning.


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    Post by Serious_Much on Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:20 pm

    There is always a difference in skill level forum, fairness in fights means "equal conditions" rather than a totally "equal fight"


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    Post by Forum Pirate on Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:29 pm

    As you're using it, yes. Thats not actually what the word means however.

    free from bias, dishonesty, or injustice.

    Bias comes in so many forms, that nothing is ever fair. Even if it would be, chance gets in the way.

    I have no problem with people who try to fight fairly based on your erronious definition of fair. I however, recognise no contest as fair, due to the number of variables involved.


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    Post by JoeBroski09 on Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:31 pm

    Pirate, if you're going to use the word "definition" please get the actual definition.


    Adjective:
    In accordance with the rules or standards; legitimate.
    Adverb:
    Without cheating or trying to achieve unjust advantage: "he played fair".
    Noun:
    A gathering of stalls and amusements for public entertainment.
    Verb:
    Streamline (a vehicle, boat, or aircraft) by adding fairings.


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    Post by Serious_Much on Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:35 pm

    It's actually 'erroneous', and what I'm giving isn't a definition of the word 'fair' but the words 'fair fight'. Something is greater than the sum of its parts, more than just the definitions of two words put together.

    It's completely different to just simple fairness, and it's definition is what I gave, not a fight where all variables are controlled to be equal, since that's obviously impossible



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    Post by Spurgun on Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:36 pm

    This is getting ridiculous.
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    Post by Serious_Much on Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:36 pm

    Spurgun wrote:This is getting ridiculous.

    I know, I don't even know why we're debating this :|


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    Post by SunlightCrusader on Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:38 pm

    Has our cov deriously become a warzone over the meaning of fair? Serious could you take this debate to your random off topic or something please?


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    Post by Serious_Much on Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:41 pm

    Not on my back to do it sunlight... :|

    I'm just gonna stop debating it though, I've said what I thought and frankly I agree this isn't the place to talk about fairness so that's it.


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    Post by billy_bayonet on Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:41 pm

    feels good not being the host of banter.....


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    Post by SunlightCrusader on Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:43 pm

    Billy I now know how you feel every time your cov thread gets hijacked as I believe it is now with a katana debate.


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