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    Post by Duke51 Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:44 am

    Well I'm really not sure of what upgrade path to take, I'm currently upgrading my equipment and preparing for the battle with Ornstein and Smough... but I'm not sure which upgrade path would be more beneficial: Lightning or +15? My plan was to take the lightning route but I don't like the fact that it no longer scales.

    I'm currently SL71, VIT 30, End 34, Strength 30, DEX 18. All the other stats are at the default level. I didn't really plan on putting much more into DEX, my intent was to put more points into strength. Any help would be appreciated!
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    Post by DoughGuy Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:45 am

    30 str? Definitely +15. Especially if you plan on hitting 40 str.
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    Post by Duke51 Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:48 am

    Wow alright, thanks for the fast reply!

    Back to farming titanite chunks I guess...
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    Post by DoughGuy Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:50 am

    No problem. Btw welcome to the forums!
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    Post by Duke51 Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:51 am

    Thank you!
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    Post by Doelker Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:25 am

    What Dough said... I have a build with 50 str and 50 dex and my claymore 15+ still does the job in NG+7 and most important you can buff it so just do the math.
    Lightning weapons start to do little damage after NG
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    Post by Spurgun Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:29 am

    With only 18 dex you should use the manserpent greatsword instead, it will hit a lot harder than the clay.
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    Post by ssss_2_is_pwnage Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:31 am

    Claymore is a double scale, the best damage would be a 40/40 dex/str build. You should do that if you want to use a claymore +15. Claymore +15 is definitly worth building your build around though, such a good and viable weapon/moveset. If you don't want to go that deep into dex, then Spurgun is right, Man Serpent Greatsword would be the best option as of the Greatsword family.
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    Post by Abiathar82 Wed Sep 19, 2012 11:07 pm

    If you upgrade Manserpant I think you would be better off if you are going for a STR build. I Have a +15 MS GS and the Scaling is A which with 46 STR gives me a 251 from Scaling , the base damage is 275 , for a Total of 526. I beleive claymore base is 268 at +15 and I am pretty sure 2X C Scaling would be very hard to catch up to A Scaling without some very high Stats. Hope that helps.
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    Post by ssss_2_is_pwnage Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:56 am

    Abiathar82 wrote:If you upgrade Manserpant I think you would be better off if you are going for a STR build. I Have a +15 MS GS and the Scaling is A which with 46 STR gives me a 251 from Scaling , the base damage is 275 , for a Total of 526. I beleive claymore base is 268 at +15 and I am pretty sure 2X C Scaling would be very hard to catch up to A Scaling without some very high Stats. Hope that helps.



    Well, to my knowlege, a claymore +15 with a 40/40 str/dex build does more damage than a 40/50 str build with a MSGS, as well as the claymore has a much more viable moveset. +15 Claymore or Lightning Claymore? Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTKpO_y8iJxB0gFrdIx0m057MkRTXoBz5hhBVxh6S5cjmjXAldyQRYiHQ
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    Post by Abiathar82 Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:00 pm

    ssss_2_is_pwnage wrote:
    Well, to my knowlege, a claymore +15 with a 40/40 str/dex build does more damage than a 40/50 str build with a MSGS, as well as the claymore has a much more viable moveset. +15 Claymore or Lightning Claymore? Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTKpO_y8iJxB0gFrdIx0m057MkRTXoBz5hhBVxh6S5cjmjXAldyQRYiHQ

    You are talking about twice the amount of Lvling though to get both STR and DEX to 40. So I would hope that it would out damage it other wise you just wasted a lot of time. The original poster stated that he did not intend on raising DEX any farther ( he said it was currently at 18). His STR however was already 30. As i stated "If you are going for a STR build then MS GS is going to out damage a Claymore , it really wont be close. If you like the move set on Claymore better and you want to use that weapon then you need to lvl DEX in order to get the most out of the weapon.
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    Post by ssss_2_is_pwnage Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:53 am

    Dont gotta be so agressive, simply giving him another viable option. a 40/40 build tends to be very powerful and simple stated that the claymore moveset is a lot more viable than the MSGS since the msgs's moveset is so easy to parry and hard to vary. There was no need to reply to mine as I was not argueing yours at all, simply giving an alternative. +15 Claymore or Lightning Claymore? Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTKpO_y8iJxB0gFrdIx0m057MkRTXoBz5hhBVxh6S5cjmjXAldyQRYiHQ
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    Post by Spurgun Fri Sep 21, 2012 9:19 am

    The only difference between the movesets is the clay's 1h r2(the thrust).
    They do practically identical damage at their best (40 str for the MSGS, 40/40 for the clay). The MSGS gives the same damage, but at lower stats and with a (arguably) slightly worse moveset. I prefer the MSGS's moveset myself, but that's just me.
    A 40/40 build might be more powerful, but it can't have as much vit/end as a pure build.
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    Post by ssss_2_is_pwnage Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:11 am

    Abiathar82 wrote:
    ssss_2_is_pwnage wrote:
    Well, to my knowlege, a claymore +15 with a 40/40 str/dex build does more damage than a 40/50 str build with a MSGS, as well as the claymore has a much more viable moveset. +15 Claymore or Lightning Claymore? Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTKpO_y8iJxB0gFrdIx0m057MkRTXoBz5hhBVxh6S5cjmjXAldyQRYiHQ

    You are talking about twice the amount of Lvling though to get both STR and DEX to 40. So I would hope that it would out damage it other wise you just wasted a lot of time. The original poster stated that he did not intend on raising DEX any farther ( he said it was currently at 18). His STR however was already 30. As i stated "If you are going for a STR build then MS GS is going to out damage a Claymore , it really wont be close. If you like the move set on Claymore better and you want to use that weapon then you need to lvl DEX in order to get the most out of the weapon.



    Also i'd like to say, he didn't really plan on it, doesn't mean he wouldn't. I just presented another choice +15 Claymore or Lightning Claymore? Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTKpO_y8iJxB0gFrdIx0m057MkRTXoBz5hhBVxh6S5cjmjXAldyQRYiHQ. Just know. +15 Claymore or Lightning Claymore? Chansub-global-emoticon-18be1a297459453f-36x30+15 Claymore or Lightning Claymore? Sm-skulls.
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    Post by Glutebrah Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:35 am

    to sum up what everyone already said OP.

    the Man serpent great sword will do more damage because it has better strength scaling while the claymore has str and dex scaling.

    once your str hits 40, if you feel like adding points to dex, then you can go back to the Claymore as your dex gets higher.

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