by alchemydesign Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:21 pm***Please tell me if this has come up before***
I was watching the dark lord ending the other day and noticed something funny in the text. When you go out the Primordial Serpents say the following:
I was watching the dark lord ending the other day and noticed something funny in the text. When you go out the Primordial Serpents say the following:
My Lord, bless thy safe return.
Let Kaathe, and Frampt, serve your highness.
We are here to serve your highness.
Now, I find this interesting for a couple of reasons. First, I think that there are only TWO primordial serpents, I base this on line two of the speech "Let Kaathe, and Frampt..." it only references the two. Otherwise they would have used a more encompassing plural such as "We are all" or "Let us." Now, I theorize that they are hydras, well, the primordial forerunners to hydras. Secondly, in the DLC only one serpent is ever referenced which I think could mean that rather than two they might even possibly be one entity with separate agendas.
This is, of course, impossible to prove without direct access to Miyazaki's brain-meats. But they only ever refer to themselves or the other, there is no real evidence that there is more than two serpents. Also, more evidence that they could be just one serpent, Chester says:
Well, that's pretty much all I got right now. Feedback welcome (constructive feedback that is)
[/center]Let Kaathe, and Frampt, serve your highness.
We are here to serve your highness.
Now, I find this interesting for a couple of reasons. First, I think that there are only TWO primordial serpents, I base this on line two of the speech "Let Kaathe, and Frampt..." it only references the two. Otherwise they would have used a more encompassing plural such as "We are all" or "Let us." Now, I theorize that they are hydras, well, the primordial forerunners to hydras. Secondly, in the DLC only one serpent is ever referenced which I think could mean that rather than two they might even possibly be one entity with separate agendas.
This is, of course, impossible to prove without direct access to Miyazaki's brain-meats. But they only ever refer to themselves or the other, there is no real evidence that there is more than two serpents. Also, more evidence that they could be just one serpent, Chester says:
Believe it not, Oolacile
has brought the abyss upon itself.
Fooled by that toothy serpent.
They upturned the grave of primeval man,
and incited his ornery wrath.
What COULD they have been thinking?
An, to you and I, it's ancient history,
you have to ask yourself "Does it REALLY matter?"
He refers to only one serpent, now most believe that he is purposefully grave and mysterious, not wanting to name one or the other, but what if it's only ONE serpent? Chester says it's ancient history, what if a thousand years ago Kaathe and Frampt were mentally ONE creature, but as time went by a mental schism occurred creating a multiple personality, perhaps due to internal conflict? I know I sure argue with myself sometimes when making decisions, but I'm not a hydra so I don't know how their mental dynamics work. Maybe there was a small bit of pity for Gwynn and that caused the Frampt personality whereas the Kaathe personality is stalwart in its search for the Dark Lord.
Here is what Gough mentions on the matter:
[center]But the Dark of the Abyss, which swallowed poor Artorias,
threatens to devour our entire land of Oolacile.
It seems that this dire fate is unavoidable.
But, seduced by a Dark serpent or no,
they awoke that thing themselves, and drove it mad.
...One's demise is always one's own making.
Once again it is only referred to as a single serpent. It's also interesting to note that the dark is spoke of in pronoun form "the Dark" as if it is an entity in and of itself, and Gough calls it a Dark serpent, as if the serpent itself is not separate of itself but a part of it, which would again point to them being a single entity joined in the Dark.has brought the abyss upon itself.
Fooled by that toothy serpent.
They upturned the grave of primeval man,
and incited his ornery wrath.
What COULD they have been thinking?
An, to you and I, it's ancient history,
you have to ask yourself "Does it REALLY matter?"
He refers to only one serpent, now most believe that he is purposefully grave and mysterious, not wanting to name one or the other, but what if it's only ONE serpent? Chester says it's ancient history, what if a thousand years ago Kaathe and Frampt were mentally ONE creature, but as time went by a mental schism occurred creating a multiple personality, perhaps due to internal conflict? I know I sure argue with myself sometimes when making decisions, but I'm not a hydra so I don't know how their mental dynamics work. Maybe there was a small bit of pity for Gwynn and that caused the Frampt personality whereas the Kaathe personality is stalwart in its search for the Dark Lord.
Here is what Gough mentions on the matter:
[center]But the Dark of the Abyss, which swallowed poor Artorias,
threatens to devour our entire land of Oolacile.
It seems that this dire fate is unavoidable.
But, seduced by a Dark serpent or no,
they awoke that thing themselves, and drove it mad.
...One's demise is always one's own making.
Well, that's pretty much all I got right now. Feedback welcome (constructive feedback that is)
props on the thread very well writtenj
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