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    why Anger @ Black flame?

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    Post by FlorisFreakshow Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:45 am

    I use Blackflame in combination with my Chaos Blade...
    I get hatemail 4 being a cheap Pyro...
    Ppl BSsing is ok, ppl who Wog you off a cliff is ok.
    But spamming BF is not?

    I am not dualling, just fighting off invaders...
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    Post by sure-magicians Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:48 am

    You Dutchies are all the same..... Chaos Blade with Black flame is about as cheap as it gets.




    j/k the only way not to get hate-mail is to stand there and die.
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    Post by Rifter7 Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:51 am

    theyre the scrubs for not being able to dodge and punish that..
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    Post by FlorisFreakshow Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:53 am

    Believe me, i get punished all day7
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    Post by densetsushun Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:53 am

    sure-magicians wrote:You Dutchies are all the same..... Chaos Blade with Black flame is about as cheap as it gets.




    j/k the only way not to get hate-mail is to stand there and die.
    I seem to recall a certain someone trying to BF/GC me to death silly
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    Post by Sentiel Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:55 am

    Black Flame is great to stagger anyone with less than 60 Poise. Most builds, mine included rock around 53 Poise, so they can tank a 2H R1 from a Greatsword. Black Flame staggers these builds, while Great Combustion doesn't, so it's great to stop their bs attempts, or use it to chain with another attack while they're stunned.

    BF is also great against turtles, because it does huge damage to your Stamina if you block it.

    sure-magicians wrote:the only way not to get hate-mail is to stand there and die.
    I'm pretty sure you'll get hatemail for that as well. lol!



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    Post by Forum Pirate Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:55 am

    "cheap" is often code for "I can't beat the tactic you're using because I suck."

    Not so much here, but definitely in normal play.
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    Post by drmuto Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:58 am

    i got hatemail for turning into a tree once. guy ran over to me and i bs'd him he called me a hacker because i can "transform"
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    Post by Rifter7 Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:01 pm

    you should reverse hatemail them. get mad at them for the opposite reasons they list.

    ps: dont forget to upvote their thread if you see em complain about it in here later haha.
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    Post by densetsushun Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:02 pm

    Rifter7 wrote:you should reverse hatemail them. get mad at them for the opposite reasons they list.

    ps: dont forget to upvote their thread if you see em complain about it in here later haha.
    Get mad at someone for sucking... I should be getting a lot of those silly
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    Post by sure-magicians Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:03 pm

    densetsushun wrote:
    sure-magicians wrote:You Dutchies are all the same..... Chaos Blade with Black flame is about as cheap as it gets.




    j/k the only way not to get hate-mail is to stand there and die.
    I seem to recall a certain someone trying to BF/GC me to death silly


    Let me guess, you're Dutch also? lol!
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    Post by densetsushun Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:06 pm

    sure-magicians wrote:
    Let me guess, you're Dutch also? lol!
    I'm referring to our duel on the Anor Londo rooftops lol
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    Post by sure-magicians Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:12 pm

    densetsushun wrote:
    sure-magicians wrote:
    Let me guess, you're Dutch also? lol!
    I'm referring to our duel on the Anor Londo rooftops lol

    I knew what you were referring to, I just chose to ignore it because I was still basking in the glory of my victory.
    My victories in PvP are quite the rarity so I treasure each and every one, even if it means spamming BF+GC...

    And for the complete picture, it was you who wanted to move our little get together to LI, with no room to move or evade, and I had to do something to not get smashed to death by that horrible weapon you were wielding...
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    Post by densetsushun Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:14 pm

    sure-magicians wrote:
    I knew what you were referring to, I just chose to ignore it because I was still basking in the glory of my victory.
    My victories in PvP are quite the rarity so I treasure each and every one, even if it means spamming BF+GC...

    And for the complete picture, it was you who wanted to move our little get together to LI, with no room to move or evade, and I had to do something to not get smashed to death by that horrible weapon you were wielding...
    You deserved every victory, especially the ones where I hesitated to stunlock you to death or when I decided to run right into your pyroglove hand silly
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    Post by FlorisFreakshow Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:14 pm

    Guess i suck big time 4 i am as cheap as it gets, but dies still
    @ many ppl...

    Still the only thing in DS i find not cheap is:

    PARRY!

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    Post by sunbro Tue Feb 05, 2013 12:45 pm

    Aha !! the dutch are gathering......why is being hazy cheap it's an extra difficulty.....and we need the black flame to keep our bongs lit big grin
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    Post by sparkly-twinkly-lizard Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:19 pm

    black flames fine, if people haven't figured out the new poise break required to ignore it its their own fault, pyro katana style is a tried and true method and thus if they can't counter an older technique like that thye are pretty far behind in the pvp arms race.
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    Post by FlorisFreakshow Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:29 pm

    Well, its perfect against BSsers, but also completely dodgable...
    I do not die by BF, i do by BS...
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    Post by Myztyrio Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:36 pm

    A question I've had for a while... What's the big difference between BF and GC?
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    Post by BLA1NE Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:03 pm

    ^BF is to break guards and poise. You use it against turtles or to stagger people. GC is just for damage (it also staggers, but to a much lesser degree, so only consider BF if that's your goal).

    I'd give an in-depth explanation of why BF is not cheap, and when it could be slightly cheap, but I'm pretty sure we all feel the same way about the spell here so I'll save you all the wall of text! BF is not cheap.
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    Post by GenericUsername Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:05 pm

    Because everyone that I've ever seen with BF just constantly runs at me and spams it regardless of what setup I have.

    Of course I just roll out of the way or what have you, but its still annoying.
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    Post by Animaaal Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:24 pm

    Black Flame = 60 poise damage

    Great Combustion = 40 poise damage
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    Post by BLA1NE Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:26 pm

    @Generic:

    People using a spell improperly shouldn't annoy you! If they want to waste their casts, that's their problem... Meanwhile, BF is a great spell since it fills a niche: breaking guards. I absolutely love that spell because of that, because I HATE fighting turtles--so boring, get that shield out of here!

    @Animaaal: I think its guard breaking is much more than 1.5x that of GC, though. That's what I mainly use the spell for, blowing people's shields away.
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    Post by Animaaal Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:37 pm

    BLA1NE wrote:...@Animaaal: I think its guard breaking is much more than 1.5x that of GC, though. That's what I mainly use the spell for, blowing people's shields away...

    Oh for sure. I just didn't see the poise damage posted. If it was posted earlier I apologize. Some people don't realize it is all.
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    Post by BLA1NE Fri Feb 22, 2013 10:01 pm

    No, it wasn't posted already, thanks for sharing that info! I actually din't know it so +1.

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