Nito's Age of the Dead

So a few people have speculated on what Nito wants from the game. I know Acidic has and the last time I checked he had mentioned that Nito seems to be the least active of the Lords.

So I'll throw out my own two cents on this one.

Nito to me seems to want nothing more than to rest as the Dead should. As you see when you join the Gravelords he simply sits unmoving in his coffin accepting eyes of death from his followers. Also unlike most covenants Nito actually has one of his skeletons bring you to him as opposed to using his own power.

If I were to guess as to Nito's allegiance in the game I would say that he is against both the Age of Fire and also against The Age of Man. Why? I suggest this is because of the way his covenant works.

Nito goes out and sends his minions to curse the worlds of other undead making it harder to progress through levels. From this I would suggest that he is trying in his own way to hinder players from even getting to the end of the game. Now I'm not one hundred percent sure if a cursed person has to be human or not but if they are I would think that Nito uses the curse to force them to come to you where the Gravelord servant kills them scattering/ allowing Nito to collect the humanity.

Why I think he is against the age of fire it mentions in the opening sequence "with fire came disparity" and as Nito seemingly just wants to be left alone to be dead it can be considered that where disparity is present action is needed by him to subdue it.

As for the Age of Man if everything became like New Londo and ghosts roamed the earth and humanity was constantly warred over, again, Nito would be put in the position of having to be vigilant so people did not try to kill him to steal his power. In my opinion the only reason he attacks you is because he hasn't summoned you and fears you will steal his soul. As to what a dead person who wants to pretend he is dead wants with a Lord Soul I don't know.

Now with the speculation. Nito's overall goal as I see it is to create the Age of the Dead, perhaps if a normal undead is cursed and killed it becomes dead and can't use its Dark Sign, and during that time where everyone is dead and trying to be dead Nito has no fear of human/things wanting his power. In this way his goal would be to end disparity by both ending the first flame as well as destroying the threat that the DarkWraiths pose to him.

Throw down your own ideas here i have some work to do refining this idea/ arguement for the Age of the Dead (my own personal wish for a new ending to DS) and perhaps maybe understanding a really obscure, albiet popular, character.

Check the last post, Nito was the main subject. No. 23 or 24, the newest one in the series. Just to clarify.

I thik that Nito is building his forces up so he can take on Seath and win. As Seath, (according to acidic if I remember rightly) drove the gods from lordran so he could become the ruler it would make Nito an obvious target as he is the only lord left who canactually challenge Seath for control. He's not being active because he doesn't want to draw attention to himself before he is ready to strike.

I've definately change my theories thanks to Acidic who astutely pointed out Nito's link tofire something I had never even considered. However I still think Nito is somewhat against Disparity/ the Flame of.

As for Nito wanting to take on Seath I like the idea of Nito's hordes of skeletons marching out of the Catacombs to lay waste to the Crystal Soldiers but I just don't see Nito as a being that wants to act.

My interpretation of who/what Nito is is that he is a collection of consciousnesses/ spirits (credit goes to acidic for pointing out that Nito may jusy be a construct of multiple beings) that were somehow drawn together, maybe by the flame or by Gwyn or someone, and used/ directed to aid in the destruction of the Dragons. After all of the fighting I just saw Nito wanting to retire into obscurity to follow his own various devices. And whether or not its simply to rest and be dead or to seek the power of incarnation that was stolen from him I see the TotG as a massive maze designed to make is impossible for outsiders to find the weakened Nito until he finds/ creates what he desires. though if he did regain his lost power. I could see Nito busting head on the surface.

Perhaps this is what gravelords seek. To spread his influence/ gather more power of death/incarnation so as to grant Nito more power or help him continue to survive without his power of incarnation.

Thoughts anyone?

Acidic_Cook wrote:Check the last post, Nito was the main subject. No. 23 or 24, the newest one in the series. Just to clarify.

When you say no. 23 or 24 what is that the post number? I need to read this before commenting on this idea of age of the dead.

age of the dead... thats what we could call the next gravelord event!

sparkly-twinkly-lizard wrote:age of the dead... thats what we could call the next gravelord event!

I like that!

Yay I came up with a worth while name. Anywho Acidics thoughts on Nito are really shocking but when you think about it so much is really accurate.

Fire? Who would have thought Nito had so many links to it.

I also though about the wierd mass of skelletons on Nito's chest. I like to think its hollow and inside is a smaller skeleton that is the real Nito. I got this idea from the art book where one of the artists drew Nito with smaller skeleton in place of his wierd chest plate thingy.

Also great DxVO4, chosen of Nito, and the sparkly-twinkly-lizard who often eludes me, when is our time to curse the worlds of the living?

I think you're correct about something being inside Nito if the artbook is correct. However it doesn't really affect the lore. It just means he began his "life" with a lot of spare skeletons lying around.

Yeah, lol.

Lego for the First of the Dead.

Its on page 15, I think. Nito is talked about in post 23 or 24, if I remember. Number should be beside topic, with the written post.

I've always wondered about the idea of Nito's dead being effected by the Dark Sign or not, but I'd imagine only his servants(Necromancers) are, while the skeletal animations are not.

Perhaps the dead in Nito's tombs are created from humans who don't havethe Dark Sign there is a distinct difference between undead and humans. Perhaps that is what the way of white is all about in a sense. They are a puritanical group who send out undead, outcasts, to seek kindling.

In this way the Link between WOW and Nito really opens up a world of possibilities.

Yes, the connection between the two, both Lloyd and Nito, is very sacred. Of course, it does not seem so hateful than respectful of two ends reaching for the same conclusion. Unlike Seath and the Gods, which shows all sorts of hatred between the two, as well as other groups to others, such as chaos and Gwyn, four King's and the gods. Seemingly Niro and Lloyd are very mutual in respect, although does not mean that followers kill each other. Of course, lloyd's talisman says that he hunted undead, it van be said that it might be the same as how Kaathe tries to find the chosen undead for the task of his dark plot (if only I can kill his tongue).

Lloyd and Nito want the same thing, of lighting the flame. Of course, their means are different, as into seeks the profiteering of death and incarnation, and Lloyd seeks the power of bondage, between the way of white and the god of war. However, due to some sacrifices, the new era that is of Bisho Havel is dead by a warrior of the gods, Lautrec. It seems that the plot of catching lightning in a bottle might have been removed in play, by a golden knight and a jealous cleric. The bandit could have been handled without the two and the death they brought.

The question is, can it actually happen?

As for the skeletons, as they found in the land of the gods, it might be that the skeletons were hollowed, in which they died. Or perhaps they were nit of the undead, of the dark sign, and died human and only so (although unlikely, due to the location). One skeleton, the one pinwheel has on a table, in his sarcophagus, is different from the rest. It has a marking on it's skull, as seen. However, it can be said that the skeletons are the incarnations in which have either never had or succumbed to the Dark Sign, the mark of Disparity, and died permenatly. Thus allowed necromancy different than what the flame of disparity conjures.

And this is why I love the archives section. Really great post. Didn't consider that Lloyd and were two sides of the same coin. Yeah but what do you think Nito would do if after someone lit the flame and he came into power?

Acidic_Cook wrote:
Lloyd and Nito want the same thing, of lighting the flame. Of course, their means are different, as into seeks the profiteering of death and incarnation, and Lloyd seeks the power of bondage, between the way of white and the god of war. However, due to some sacrifices, the new era that is of Bisho Havel is dead by a warrior of the gods, Lautrec. It seems that the plot of catching lightning in a bottle might have been removed in play, by a golden knight and a jealous cleric. The bandit could have been handled without the two and the death they brought.

The question is, can it actually happen?

As for the skeletons, as they found in the land of the gods, it might be that the skeletons were hollowed, in which they died. Or perhaps they were nit of the undead, of the dark sign, and died human and only so (although unlikely, due to the location). One skeleton, the one pinwheel has on a table, in his sarcophagus, is different from the rest. It has a marking on it's skull, as seen. However, it can be said that the skeletons are the incarnations in which have either never had or succumbed to the Dark Sign, the mark of Disparity, and died permenatly. Thus allowed necromancy different than what the flame of disparity conjures.

Firstly what is this new era of Havel that you mention? Do you just mean a world without sorcery? because I have never seen Havel connected to a new era before.

Secondly about the markings on the skeleton. It is the only skeleton that you see that isnt moving and trying to kill you. maybe those markings are part of the ritual that animates the skeleton? Also I remember that there are a bunch of corpses hanging from the roof in Pinwheels place. You could check if those have the firekeeper scar or not to check whether they were hollows or not.

Good theory I like the ritual idea. Also I haven't seen any markings on the skellies so I wouldn't know.

Havel was a bishop before he was the rock. His possible alignment to being bishop could be used for such rituals as marriage. When Tge war began, he became a Knight, Havel the Rock. As Lautrec hints with his dialogue, he killed a 'fleeing old man'. This old man could have been doing what Havel might have done for the Firekeeper and Gwyn. Just a theory, but it seems that, as Lloyd plans to relight it like it was, a new Havel the Rock would be needed for this replication.

Acidic I think Havel the Rock is simply a title given to him due to the fact that he wears solid stone not an exclusive role. He was both Bishop Havel of the Way of White and also leader of a band of holy warriors which gave him the monicker The Rock.

Also what is this war you speak of and how does it tie in with Nito's story?

the skeleton ritual marks can be seen in pinwheels cutscene... looks like a crescent moon with the points facing up and some other curved slashes... all on the forehead... no indication of a dark sign or hollow/firekeeper mark as all of that is flesh based and skeletons have no flesh... the skellies may predate the curse of the undead (hollow type not necroed type) hence why necromancers are only found there being unable to tamper with the bodies of hollows and really even the phantoms and npcs don't leave corpses (or very many of them any way..) and so the necros moved to the only locale with workable specimens

The dragon war, which was started by the first lighting of the Flame of Dusparity.

The second war, the war we fight in, is the war of chaos, which was started by the second lighting of the Flame of Disparity.

Havel was a bishop formed knight, who he and death were Tge cooperates of Gwyn. Nito was the one of the 3 Lords of the Flame, and he was created to fight the dragons. Nito helps house Gwyn's Black Knights near the crack facing the realm of chaos, Lost Izalith, while Havel is hollowed by the spread of chaos like Gwyn, but more so by the conquering of the gods by Seath.

Back to Nito then. As you mentioned before Acidic Nito wants to light the flame once again, as he seems to be tied to it somehow, so once this happens in our games/ whatever universe Lordran is in what then?

He is a being that I'd tied to the flame, as he was born from it the same way as hollows are... To an extent. When the flame is lot once more, his philosophy of reincarnation can live on once more, and all those who die can be reborn into immortals, beings who are not affected by starvation or sleep deprivation, and are easily incarnatable again and again.

As Nito was created from the flame, it can be said that his philosophies can live on, and possibly a new Nito will be born as well to take their place as Gravelord.

So you would say compared to all of the other characters Nito is timeless/ not a unique being more a construct created in the age of ancients to fight the dragons. And one that is going to contiinue incarnating for eternity.

Well, unlike the other Lords of the Flame, Nito is the only creature that was born from the flame, as the prologue shows. As Nito dies by your hands, it can be said that, due to him being born for the Firekeeper of the First Lighting of Disparity, that Nito might not return again when someone else removes Gwyn from the picture. Perhaps a new, different Niro will be born instead. However if the world went dark, neither nito nor his creations would exist long, with the absence of what the flame gave him for power.

And the skeletons of the Tombs? Their heads and body structures are similar to that of an animal, and has resemblance to the dragon skull in ash lake. The corpses in the tombs could be the dragons themselves, without their dragon form.