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    Post by Wilkinson3424 Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:26 pm

    (Gamer's Definition of "Meta Gaming" - Using previously obtained knowledge to put yourself at what might be an advantage)

    Back before the DLC, and alot of other patches, I used to be a wiz (lol) at mages. And I decided to do science in Lordran and tried different combos with different builds, and messed with some things.

    The Meta for mages seems to be Crystal Spells and Pursuers/dark bead. And it's really too bad, there are many spells that are never used, but are really good.

    I went around talking to people who made mages, and looking at their builds to see how they played, and 99.9% of them were all Crystal spells and Pursuers/dark bead.

    It's sad really, In my opinion those are good spells if you know how to use them, and utilize them in certain scenarios but most people who use them don't (Not talking about the forum bros, most of you guys are educated enough to know not to spam these things). I know this because i've dueled most of these people, and many other random mages. Most use the same old techniques.

    Is this not effective? Of course it can be effective, it's raw power though. You can shape that raw power into a true, sharp, effective, solid Mage.

    I'm not saying i'm an expert, but I can say I know what i'm doing. that .1% of people that fight like I do with magic, helped me sharpen my skills as I did them. Most of all to SirArchmage, I've studied his techniques and had some talks with him.
    If he knows anything it's how to make a mage, So Props to you.

    Now this is the part where I stop boring you, I have made a handful of preset mages, and I'll explain how I fight with them. You can submit your mage builds here as well if you want.

    Note: I won't add the build if it's only using the boring old spells I mentioned earlier, that defeats the purposes of this thread.

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    Post by Soul of Stray Demon Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:27 pm

    I don't see any use of oolacile sorceries, the spells never used in meta. hmm
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    Post by Wilkinson3424 Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:30 pm

    I have been working on an effective Oolacile build, and yeah I included repair on one of them.

    Oolacile is more for co-op in my opinion though.
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    Post by Soul of Stray Demon Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:31 pm

    I know, I was mostly just messing around. Just would be nice to see a build that incorporates them.
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    Post by raecor14 Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:33 pm

    http://mmdks.com/3mpv there is only one devil devil devil devil devil devil devil devil
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    Post by Wilkinson3424 Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:37 pm

    raecor14 wrote:http://mmdks.com/3mpv there is only one devil devil devil devil devil devil devil devil
    I like it, although I would switch out pursuers for those 2 attunement slots for something more useful for the set up, such as repair, or a soul arrow/spear.
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    Post by raecor14 Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:47 pm

    Wilkinson3424 wrote:
    raecor14 wrote:http://mmdks.com/3mpv there is only one devil devil devil devil devil devil devil devil
    I like it, although I would switch out pursuers for those 2 attunement slots for something more useful for the set up, such as repair, or a soul arrow/spear.
    I often do, the only reason pursuers is there is because when they are going towards the target you can chain a dark bead to keep them on their feet.
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    Post by RANT Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:49 pm

    After talking about how certain spells people use the most you post two mlgs builds and two buff builds, kinda funny really. I like blaine's builds tbh, those were proper int builds.
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    Post by Wilkinson3424 Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:50 pm

    I didn't say that certain spells should not be used at all because they are too mainstream, this isn't a hipster mage coffee shop.

    I said that certain tactics with those spells are overused and have so much more potential.

    I didn't ask for you to come tell me that his builds were better, if you think his builds were better then keep it to yourself. Don't post it on someone else's thread, that's just rude.
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    Post by RANT Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:57 pm

    Eh, when you post things like that expect to get criticized which I didn't do, I never said his builds were better, I said I liked them. I do think that those builds you posted look just like everything else out there.
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    Post by Soul of Stray Demon Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:01 pm

    Considering the limited amount of useful offensive spells, Builds would tend to look somewhat similar at the very least when it comes to magic.
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    Post by SirArchmage Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:02 pm

    Tweaked Oolacile mage. I made one a while ago with a similar set-up. http://mmdks.com/3mpz
    Dark hand is invisible with either Ring of Fog or Hidden body on, and if you apply Strong Magic shield as well, it looks like you are just blocking everything with a really strong arm. Sadly, it still makes a really loud sound.

    For other battle-mages just look at my thread of builds. Plenty in there.
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    Post by Wilkinson3424 Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:25 pm

    Chameleon and hidden body/weapon both pretty fun spells, I love hiding and waiting to ambush with a CSS when they walk past me.

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    Post by Soul of Stray Demon Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:27 pm

    Interesting, If you use hidden weapon with a whip, it sparkles when you attack.
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    Post by Wilkinson3424 Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:09 am

    Really? I'd like to see that for myself one of these times silly
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    Post by xenon_nobelium Sat Aug 17, 2013 6:29 am

    http://mmdks.com/3dgq since i seem to be promoting this one atm i might as well post it in here. outfit is obviously for roleplaying purposes while still maintaining a relevant poise breakpoint, black skin and he's one undead abyss mage. playstyle is hyperagression: start the match usually with dark orb (i really love this spell with 45dex) which puts the on their toes -> 45dex lets you cast pursuers midfight if you're at the right distance, so that's next -> a bit of unlocked shennanigans until the pursuers fire -> pressure with orb/bead/swordattacks, mix it up and they will get guardbroken or hit in roll recovery -> switch to defensive casting variating between orb and bead, it messes up the roll/reaction timing -> if they get close unlocked balder sword and thorn roll will make you nigh unbackstabbable

    http://mmdks.com/3mw0 here's a loadout for when you really had a bad day and just want to make other peoples lives miserable
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    Post by Wilkinson3424 Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:51 pm

    Those are really nice builds, I'll add them to the OP.
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    Post by Wilkinson3424 Sat Aug 17, 2013 10:42 pm

    Updated OP with new build submissions.

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