I have hit people with each and every one of them. i did it in an R2 challenge stream.Latitoast wrote:The Artorias Greatswords would like to have a word with you.Rynn wrote:Absolutely NO heavy attack is useless.Marino. wrote:R2s are worthless
Simply put, the PGS doesn't have enough range, the Falchion has better ranged while still cutting through gankers like it's nothing with DMB.
Re: Painting Guardian Sword... Very Underrated? 
by sparkly-twinkly-lizard Sat Oct 05, 2013 2:40 am
Re: Painting Guardian Sword... Very Underrated? by Hugh_G_Johnson Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:46 am
Um. Nooooo.Hugh_G_Johnson wrote:First; I just have to say the flamberge R2s are terrible. Second; good to see you around again Rynn.
Down to business: the PSG has less range than a curved sword, less bleed (and range) than the gold tracer and very weak criticals compared to daggers. The fact that you can buff it is almost nullified by the range. You need room and time to buff, yet you need to get right on top of your opponent to do any damage. Most likely anyone who allows you to get close to them after watching you buff a PSG has something up their sleeve, or is inexperienced or not so bright and would be fodder no matter what. By contrast; you can swap to a gold tracer and have your opponent stunned and bled almost before they know you've switched weapons.
Re: Painting Guardian Sword... Very Underrated? by Hugh_G_Johnson Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:43 pm
Re: Painting Guardian Sword... Very Underrated? by Soul of Stray Demon Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:48 pm
Actually the R2's on the Flamberge do amazing poise damage and knockback. If you hit with them, it's quite useful. Although yeah, because of how slow it is, the bleed on it is pretty much useless.Hugh_G_Johnson wrote:@Juutas: Was that because of the PSG or in spite of it though?
@Rynn: The curved greatswords have higher AR and more range than the flamberge. So they have use... but, how useful are the R2s on them? I just fail to understand why I would want to use more stamina to do an attack that's just a slower version of the 1-handed R1. Essentially the flamberge only has two standard moves... and less AR in exchange for (useless) bleed. The flamberge is the PSG of greatswords.
I'm sorry, but i cannot understand the question (lost in translation there)Hugh_G_Johnson wrote:@Juutas: Was that because of the PSG or in spite of it though?
Re: Painting Guardian Sword... Very Underrated? by Soul of Stray Demon Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:53 pm
Did you accomplish that because you used that PSG or did you accomplish it although you had the PSG? So, is the PSG good or bad?Juutas wrote:I'm sorry, but i cannot understand the question (lost in translation there)Hugh_G_Johnson wrote:@Juutas: Was that because of the PSG or in spite of it though?
PGS is definitely viable PvP weapon, that is what I meant to say (wasn't it obvious though, hahaSoul of Stray Demon wrote:Did you accomplish that because you used that PSG or did you accomplish it although you had the PSG? So, is the PSG good or bad?Juutas wrote:I'm sorry, but i cannot understand the question (lost in translation there)Hugh_G_Johnson wrote:@Juutas: Was that because of the PSG or in spite of it though?
)You've got the superior moveset of a greatsword, with the stunlocking capacity of a Curved Greatsword. The Flamberg is IMO the best greatsword because of this.Hugh_G_Johnson wrote:@Juutas: Was that because of the PSG or in spite of it though?
@Rynn: The curved greatswords have higher AR and more range than the flamberge. So they have use... but, how useful are the R2s on them? I just fail to understand why I would want to use more stamina to do an attack that's just a slower version of the 1-handed R1. Essentially the flamberge only has two standard moves... and less AR in exchange for (useless) bleed. The flamberge is the PSG of greatswords.
Re: Painting Guardian Sword... Very Underrated? by Hugh_G_Johnson Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:46 pm
@ Juutas: Yeah, but viable just means that you can make it work. It doesn't really say anything other than: 'it's not useless'. Did the PSG do anything for you that a similar weapon couldn't do? Were you ever glad you had the PSG instead of something else? Considering you weren't buffing, I'd be surprised if a little extra AR would make up for the gold tracer's range (not to mention better bleed buildup).Juutas wrote:PGS is definitely viable PvP weapon, that is what I meant to say (wasn't it obvious though, haha
Soul of Stray Demon wrote:Actually the R2's on the Flamberge do amazing poise damage and knockback. If you hit with them, it's quite useful. Although yeah, because of how slow it is, the bleed on it is pretty much useless.
How much poise do the R2s drain on the flamberge? R2 poise damage seems to be the last frontier in Dark Souls science. I've seen a few odd poise breaks for some strength weapon R2s. I was under the impression that unique R2 poise breaks were a feature of certain strength weapons and that for all greatswords (and curved greatswords) poise break depended only on whether you were using 1 hand or 2, not attack type (other than running).Rynn wrote:You've got the superior moveset of a greatsword, with the stunlocking capacity of a Curved Greatsword. The Flamberg is IMO the best greatsword because of this.
I love high poise curved sword builds. I enjoy running around in mid-roll and fat-roll builds, because it actually throws off a lot of people that don't know what to do when someone actually uses the curved sword to fight them, instead of to be a spammer.reim0027 wrote:Speaking of tanking it up and spamming R1 with the PGS or GT . . . That gets me drooling. That seems to happen a lot in the Forest. I bet most people thing that is a fool proof strategy. That is until I pull my Mura out of their sternum. It is so easy to parry, since it is so bloody obvious what they are about to do. Hell, I parried a GT R1 spammer. Didn't kill him. He got up, spammed R1 again and I parried him again.
I say this much: I would've not been able to pull it off with all the weapons in the game.Hugh_G_Johnson wrote:@ Juutas: Yeah, but viable just means that you can make it work. It doesn't really say anything other than: 'it's not useless'. Did the PSG do anything for you that a similar weapon couldn't do? Were you ever glad you had the PSG instead of something else? Considering you weren't buffing, I'd be surprised if a little extra AR would make up for the gold tracer's range (not to mention better bleed buildup).Juutas wrote:PGS is definitely viable PvP weapon, that is what I meant to say (wasn't it obvious though, hahaSoul of Stray Demon wrote:Actually the R2's on the Flamberge do amazing poise damage and knockback. If you hit with them, it's quite useful. Although yeah, because of how slow it is, the bleed on it is pretty much useless.How much poise do the R2s drain on the flamberge? R2 poise damage seems to be the last frontier in Dark Souls science. I've seen a few odd poise breaks for some strength weapon R2s. I was under the impression that unique R2 poise breaks were a feature of certain strength weapons and that for all greatswords (and curved greatswords) poise break depended only on whether you were using 1 hand or 2, not attack type (other than running).Rynn wrote:You've got the superior moveset of a greatsword, with the stunlocking capacity of a Curved Greatsword. The Flamberg is IMO the best greatsword because of this.
