Tolvo wrote:That's why I don't co-op in the depths any more. Every person I Co-Op'ed with down there just wanted gear from me, so now I mostly just stick to Anor Londo near the bonfire.
Tolvo wrote:Slake, I'm 19 years old and I completely agree with you. I don't think it's a case of, "Back in my day I used to walk up a mountain through snow to school!"
It's just the way the world is becoming.
In 1980 people threw **** off of a roller coaster for the first time in recorded history. Suddenly everyone started doing similarly inhumane things. We're just ugly people.Tolvo wrote:Slake, I'm 19 years old and I completely agree with you. I don't think it's a case of, "Back in my day I used to walk up a mountain through snow to school!"
It's just the way the world is becoming.
Rynn wrote:In 1980 people threw **** off of a roller coaster for the first time in recorded history. Suddenly everyone started doing similarly inhumane things. We're just ugly people.Tolvo wrote:Slake, I'm 19 years old and I completely agree with you. I don't think it's a case of, "Back in my day I used to walk up a mountain through snow to school!"
It's just the way the world is becoming.
Federally wrote:Rynn wrote:In 1980 people threw **** off of a roller coaster for the first time in recorded history. Suddenly everyone started doing similarly inhumane things. We're just ugly people.Tolvo wrote:Slake, I'm 19 years old and I completely agree with you. I don't think it's a case of, "Back in my day I used to walk up a mountain through snow to school!"
It's just the way the world is becoming.
Really this isn't entirely true. Generally humanity is improving, we are much less barbaric and violent then anytime in recorded history. DkS is fantasy but there was a time not too long ago where people really smashed each other with axes and maces for not much reason at all. While I agree with the Old Timer who posted about a lack of common courtesy in our societies you can't argue against the facts, people are generally becoming more peaceful. Just a problem is the lack of threat of a violent reaction to bad behavior can result in a lot of bad behavior.
The rest of the problem I would say boils down to there just being too many people too close together. Our biology programs us to operate in small tribes yet society is much larger then that and its just not in our nature to care that much about people outside of our circle. Even the most hardened criminals tend to have friends/family they are good too and loyal towards. It's just not natural to care about 330 million people or whatever the numbers may be.
DoughGuy wrote:Federally wrote:Rynn wrote:snipTolvo wrote:snip
Really this isn't entirely true. Generally humanity is improving, we are much less barbaric and violent then anytime in recorded history. DkS is fantasy but there was a time not too long ago where people really smashed each other with axes and maces for not much reason at all. While I agree with the Old Timer who posted about a lack of common courtesy in our societies you can't argue against the facts, people are generally becoming more peaceful. Just a problem is the lack of threat of a violent reaction to bad behavior can result in a lot of bad behavior.
The rest of the problem I would say boils down to there just being too many people too close together. Our biology programs us to operate in small tribes yet society is much larger then that and its just not in our nature to care that much about people outside of our circle. Even the most hardened criminals tend to have friends/family they are good too and loyal towards. It's just not natural to care about 330 million people or whatever the numbers may be.
We may be less barbaric but Id say crime is definetily higher. e have more serial killers, assaulters, rapists and gangs. We have more civillised wars but more people die. We may be less violent but the world is on a knifes edge waiting to erupt.
GodOfPaperclips wrote:Maybe civilisation and the gaming community are going down the tubes but there's still hope. If you've got personal ethics then stick to them. Lead by example. You can't turn the trolls but there're those who haven't made up their minds yet, who just need a push in the right direction.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"
An Edmund Burke quote and I'm inclined to agree. It's up to us to mould our community.
I guess that's all I've got to say. Chop, chop then. Get to it.
SlakeMoth wrote:I was not talking about violence per se. I was not talking about wars or crime. I was talking about everyday consideration and respect for your neighbour. Basic stuff, yes, but it is the foundation of every civilised society. In other words good manners. Here's an example which will no doubt raise a few hackles but I'll say it any way. Parents who take their child into a shop, cafe etc. The child then proceeds to raise hell. Running around, screaming and basically making a nuisance of itself. The parents do nothing. This is what I'm talking about. Those parents are displaying no regard or consideration for the other people present who have every right not to be subjected to their child's bad behaviour. As I said basic stuff but this is where it starts. If children are not taught to respect the rights of others at an early age, then how can they be expected to do this when they become adults?
Federally wrote:This is a symptom of a peaceful society. If people don't ever have to worry about someone else kicking their *** because they didn't behave, they tend to not behave. This is most obvious in youth of all ages, and really comes out on the internet. Even people who aren't 'good' tend to mind their manners if the threat of getting punched in the face for misbehavior. This threat no longer exists in modern society so its up to the parents to teach respect and many simply aren't up to the task.
Knavery wrote:I've been gaming since the days of the Atari 2600 and later the Commodore 64, which I ran a BBS on. I don't see any difference in attitude from the early days of posting messages from a C64 to the online gaming communities we have now. There have always been people out there that get off on treating others with disrespect. Just open up a history book if you're interested in learning about the many sociopaths and psychopaths that have graced our little rock.
I don't really see a difference now other than the fact that we're a lot more globalized. We have access to literally everyone and everything, which is going to make a big difference. I mean in the 50s you could have been fascinated with Ed Gein by reading the newspapers, or if you were lucky, watching it on television. Now, you could be talking to him in Dark Souls.
Federally wrote:Knavery wrote:I've been gaming since the days of the Atari 2600 and later the Commodore 64, which I ran a BBS on. I don't see any difference in attitude from the early days of posting messages from a C64 to the online gaming communities we have now. There have always been people out there that get off on treating others with disrespect. Just open up a history book if you're interested in learning about the many sociopaths and psychopaths that have graced our little rock.
I don't really see a difference now other than the fact that we're a lot more globalized. We have access to literally everyone and everything, which is going to make a big difference. I mean in the 50s you could have been fascinated with Ed Gein by reading the newspapers, or if you were lucky, watching it on television. Now, you could be talking to him in Dark Souls.
And once you factor in population growth there are more douche bags to run in to, tho per capita its probably the same as its ever been.
On the plus side of things the gamer demographic is rapidly shifting upwards in age, average gamer is 37 and kids under 18 only make up some 20% of gamers.
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by Federally Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:53 pm
