This shall be our finest hour: Painted World Invasion

Yeah FC rules make spears, rapiers and great hammers overpowered, because their weakness is that after each swing you are left "wide open", thus rolling backstab one of the most effective ways to counter them. Not that I'm a expert at roll BS, I don't even practice it...

Rules
1. No healing
2. No backstabs
3. Removed
4. No turtles(poking behind shield with thrust weapons)
5. No spell spamming of AoE
Better?

For the FC duels during the war I'm ok with those. Outside duels, it's all or nothing.

I'll take that as you pre emptivelly breaking my knigt's honour code thus freeing them from its burden. I would at least ask you keep the bow before a fight (if the host allows it).
Knights when fighting a lifehunter (and lifehunter only) you are no longer bound by our honour code
We should also decide when the FC duels will be and who will host. Im thinking council members and commanders can host and we'll do 3 evennly spaced 2 hour events.

I don't actually have a build with twop at the moment. Twop isn't the point. Those rules still heavily favor spears.

Dueling a Knight (as in 1v1) I'm cool with no non-spell healing (no healing period less so), but if the host heals you I'll crush a humanity without a second thought. I'll also buy into no turtling unless someone has a reason to disagree. Mostly because its annoying.

That said, I don't like the others for the same reason I already stated, They make thrust attacks with fast weapons, and the roll r1 club spam the only really practical weapons by removing methods of punishing them.

I have no problem hosting when I'm on, let me know when I'm needed in advance though please

If the host heals the knight will back off to let you heal. Can you explain how the other still favour thrust weps? Wouldnt non BSing encourage larger weapons? And its only AoE spell spamming thats not allowed.
What times do you think are good? Perhaps right at the start and every 8 hours after that?

Any good large weapon user isn't going to let you bs them unless you're really good at roll bsing. They'll all just swivel and brake your face. Its mediocre large weapon users that get bsed a lot. spears cant do that anywhere near as well because of the narrow hit box, so the benefit far more from the no bs rule, especially at the skill levels many forum goers have. Similarly, "spaming" wog is one of the only ways to end a roll spree, Bait with an empty cast or 2 depending on wether they try to roll bs you or not, then time the next cast to hit between rolls, stunning you and allowing the caster to close the distance. Twop works because it stops you dodging and, due to the nature of spears, you're often to far away to stop the cast, especially if you're warry of wog.

So what would you suggest? Just remove the non spam rule? Because I'd really rather not allow Bsing.

Sounds good if people are in the right timezones to make it work.


I know but thats the reason behind our rules. We don't chain bs in duels because it turns the fight into a coin flip, and we don't use wog and twop at the same time (as in we wont wog a twoped player) in duels because we still allow 1 self targeting spell before each fight and theres nothing you can do about the combo once you're stuck in it, unless your 1 was vow of silence.

I know its not a super popular view, but if others didn't agree, wyrm wouldn't be hosting a rather successful arena every week. Spears are far less common there because there are ways to counter them. At FC 2/3rds or my fights are against spears or buffed rapiers because theres very little to be done about them. You don't beat them because your better, you beat them because they made mistakes.

At the arena, roll pokers get twoped orl backstabed so they actually have to be good with their weapon, not just know how to play the range game with spears and abuse lag with rapiers.

DoughGuy wrote:I'll take that as you pre emptivelly breaking my knigt's honour code thus freeing them from its burden. I would at least ask you keep the bow before a fight (if the host allows it).
Knights when fighting a lifehunter (and lifehunter only) you are no longer bound by our honour code
We should also decide when the FC duels will be and who will host. Im thinking council members and commanders can host and we'll do 3 evennly spaced 2 hour events.

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So do you want to just use your arena rules?

Thats usually how I do things yeah. It keeps fights from being "who has the longest range" contests.

Backstabs work both ways after all, and at sl 80 with our uniforms, effectively using wog or gc comes at the cost of health, endurance and poise.

Do you disagree?

Forum Pirate wrote:Thats usually how I do things yeah. It keeps fights from being "who has the longest range" contests.

Backstabs work both ways after all, and at sl 80 with our uniforms, effectively using wog or gc comes at the cost of health, endurance and poise.

Do you disagree?

I dont understand this part. How does pyromancy or miracles disadvanateg your builds?

Its not just us.

Stat points. Dex for pyromancy or faith for miracles. To have the necessary levels of casting speed for pyromancy or meet the requirements for wog at least 20 points have to go into something other than hp and/or endurance cutting max health and/or poise due to equipment weight limits. The same is true for your casters as well.

This means, that to use spells that can be "spammed" for damage (unlike at 120) serious sacrifices must be made.

Whether or not that is a sacrifice is perspective. I call it an investment.

Its both, glass half full guy. Yes I can now cast, but I'm more vulnerable to damage of any kind and stunlocking.

I only worry about the health aspect myself as thats the part that takes the biggest hit in my builds. My poise is out of my hands as my builds are usually cosplays. The casting of WoG and DMB/SLB are worth it for me though.

I'll be waiting for you in the painting come Saturday...

Quick he posted his build! Strategise!

DoughGuy wrote:Quick he posted his build! Strategise!

No, you can't strategize off of that. It doesn't give you any ACTUAL info on how I play.

For instance, I use the crossbow string as a garrote, not as a crossbow.

^It appears we think alike . Im guessing you use the sword as a thrown weapon?

So 3 FC duels using painted world arena rules
12am-2am UTC I will be hosting
9am-11am UTC I will be hosting
6pm-8pm UTC No hosts currently

If you can host and are a commander or council member put down your name and a time.

I dont know ust. I'm pst. If you tell me what the difference is, I can be on for 2 of them.