Shkar wrote: Deathsitexxi wrote: Shkar wrote:I just thought of a theory on the topic, but before I post it, I would like to know if you think that non-humans can have humanity and actually use it.
I think they can have it and we have an example of beings that are not human having it already aka the rats dropping it. Which I've always though was interesting as the Undead curse almost seems like a plague according to some dialogues. As for using it that's a good question. Using it as a sacrifice maybe but otherwise I'm unsure..
The rats don't actually "have" the humanity. Sure, they possess the humanity in their body, but its as if it has been rejected. It is lootable, not bonded with the being. It seems to me as if beings can "hold" a soul of another type inside them, but can't "use" it properly. Like having a glass of water and having the water be inside a human body. One is just sitting there, the other is "bonded."
So, lets look at souls! THere are three types of souls: Regular, Dark, and Special. Regular souls are universal; think of them like energy as a whole. Any kind of being can use them, as its a sort of "neutral" state. Then you have the dark soul, humanity. Humanity appears to be only used by humans, going so far as the only item sources from it aren't human. Indeed, the sources are rats, the pisacas (who are now mindless abominations), and the "baby skeletons," none of whom would I be in a hurry to call "human."
And then there are the special souls. These special souls are all held by beings who, in one way or another, relate to the War of Ancients. You have Gwyn, who led the revolution. Gwyndolin, his son. Artorias and and Ornstein, Gwyn's knights, who he gave part of his soul too, and Smough, who "joined up" later. You have Quelagg, daughter of the Witch of Izalith. Priscilla, "daughter of Seath." The Moonlight Butterfly and Sif, who were created/associated with Seathe and Artorias respectively.
These beings aren't human and, indeed, we see that one of them is completely consumed by the dark humanity. As we've seen, beings can't use souls of the wrong type. The rats don't absorb humanity, and can only hold so much. Yet the player is unique; the player can hold and use humanity like a human, but can also use and absorb the souls of the special beings. Yet another point on the scoreboard for, "The player ignores the game rules!!!!"
Also, as another fact I just thought of, this theory paints an interesting image of the serpents. One serpent hungers for and consumes Humanity, and gives nothing off. Evidently, the humanity is being "absorbed." The other consumes objects and gives off souls. Now, why would a being that's the epitome of greed give something away? Could it possibly be that the serpent can't USE the normal souls, due to having a different kind of soul? Like, say, a DARK soul?
I like the direction you’re going. Let me just add my 2
cents =) “from the Dark they came” So life sprang from the shadow of the first
flame. So people say that all life on
earth came from a Primordial Soup (real world here for a second). Primordial
being the key word here I believe these Serpents were born in the shadow of the
first flame and they came first. Now the word Primeval and Primordial are
similar but they are different, primordial would come before primeval. These
serpents to me are the physical manifestation of the Abyss. Also, the Dark Soul
was also born in the shadow of the first flame. So Now I want to talk about
something that came up in a recent interview I read. I posted it earlier but I’ll
expound on it here. There is light which came from the first flame, which cast
a shadow of darkness, where the Dark Soul and Humans were born. However, a
little farther away from that shadow is something even darker, the Abyss.
Something that was their before light and shadow, and possibly wasn’t given
life until after the first flame came into existence. I’m going to quote
Miyazaki here
“As one of the main themes of Dark Souls is 'fire and dark',
these light
spells also include darkness that occurred from the gap between them,”
says Miyazaki. “The darkness leads to the Abyss, which is a keyword this
time.”
I think Miyazaki gives this away in his description of the
Dark Sorceries….. It kinda helps you get into his head and see how he looks at
the world of Dark Souls. So light includes darkness which comes from the “gap
between them” and darkness leads to the Abyss….. And now we can see where the
Frampt and Kaathe clan disagree. So what fuels a shadow? Light right? Say you
put a fire in the middle of Stonehendge, it would cause shadows to come off of
the pillars no? So what happens if you make the fire bigger? The shadows get
bigger… stronger. This is what Frampt believes and why he is pushing in the
direction he is. However, what’s even better than a shadow? Complete and total
Darkness, and here we have Kaathe. So which form of darkness is more powerful?
Well here is where the 2 clans debate. And yet, they all come from the same
place, they are the darkness.
What do you think? There is more to explain but I always have posts that are wayyyyy too big and want to cut this one down lol
by Deathsitexxi Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:42 pm
