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    Post by tinypantha Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:56 pm

    I know that all the large covenants (looking at you Dough) have claims to land such as the Gravesworn to the ToG. Which that claim is obviously a pick due to their name, but it came to me that majority of the smaller covenants are just here, they have no land claims (which may change thanks to dough and his tourny). I feel that it would be fun to be able to try and "challenge" the land that a covenant is sitting on.

    rules to the "challenges"

    :No covenant may control more then 2 Areas (with exceptions)

    : Temporary land control can be obtained by reaching the max full-claim and still invade an area.

    :both covenant leaders have to agree on the invasion

    Pros

    :Smaller covenants have a small chance at a claim

    :Small skirmishes occur between Wars

    :Fun challenges may occur

    :Promotes balance in the land grabs

    :allies and enemies can grow past political status.



    Cons

    Coming soon







    Please do not criticize harshly i am working on this post still.
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    Post by hageshisa Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:00 pm

    A suggestion would be that the HOME of a Cov shouldnt be able to get conquerd
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    Post by Spurgun Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:01 pm

    hageshisa wrote:A suggestion would be that the HOME of a Cov shouldnt be able to get conquerd

    but what would happen if all available areas are taken? Would no new covs be allowed?
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    Post by hageshisa Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:14 pm

    Well barely have enough user for the current covs, therefore the small covs are small. So I might want to say yes to that one, even though I'm aware it's a very unfair answer. Maybe better suggestion would be that covs with same lore-related "home area" could share but have different bonus (maybe control different part of the area. Say if there were another PW that wanted to kill Priscilla, the Exiled could have arena tower and the bridge to Priscy, and the other part the beggining of the map). I just think the idea of letting the home areas be safe zones would be good for smaller covs.

    Thou smaller covs should consider joining alliances with larger ones. Since new covs might need areas that are contested, and then we'd run out of areas to fight in silly
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    Post by cloudyeki Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:14 pm

    Make it a bit more strategic. Land grab is on covenant # x whatever point system in that area. So if a large covenant plays smart they can take a good amount of land, but they can lose the areas easily if they aren't focused or are distracted
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    Post by The_Flail Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:22 pm

    The Home Areas are uncontestable idea would be problematic because that way there would be little sense in even attacking the home area of a covenant. Maybe a temporary control or a battle that more or less heavily favours the natives of that area would be better.

    And the sharing of Areas also opens up the problem of heavily increasing complexity, in case of Hageshisa`s example these 2 PW would require to atleast have 3 different areas IF Home areas are safe.

    Of course the sharing could work well for allies, as is evident with the Gentlemans and the Guardians of Oolacile though that may only be because the gentleman have a non-interference clause.
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    Post by Acarnatia Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:28 pm

    Another idea is that we could use bonfires instead of entire areas. That may be too small and complex, though.
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    Post by Ahhotep1 Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:39 pm

    hageshisa wrote:A suggestion would be that the HOME of a Cov shouldnt be able to get conquerd

    Don't worry Blue a cove has to agree to be a participant in this "Land Grab" Tribal War Clone thing. I will not risk our home.

    The whole Tribal Clone idea is convoluted, overly complicated and I suspect not prone to effective management. It is also quite possible the smaller coves risk total absorption by attrition and thus, lose of identity.
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    Post by Wilkinson3424 Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:21 pm

    TGoO and The gentleman live in Oolacile. How would that work? They do not own it, they simply live in it, so i guess they don't own land? Or are they not being counted because, ya know. They are 'gentlemen'.
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    Post by ViralEnsign_ Tue Oct 23, 2012 6:25 pm

    Tiny the GS hold all of Nito's domain.....come get some if you want to try to claim it!

    Edit also Tiny Dough< Shkar and I are already working on ways to mess around with small scale events and such things by changing the war models we already use.... read over the New war ideas thread and help us out!
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    Post by robsthedon Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:40 pm

    This seems all a bit over complicated to me. The archives war was a nice idea, and for the most part worked at least you did get to fight some forum members. The RSS war concept I thought was an excellent idea, but even that failed, so I'm thinking what chance has this got?
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    Post by tinypantha Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:42 am

    Thank you guys for your criticism This topic was meant to be a test. Viral i wasnt making a claim of ToG or the catacombs i was making a point there. Because everyone knows the GS and the NKs
    Also the "Small covenants might be absorbed or lose their face" that was brought up earlier. Well that would the small covys fault they agreed to the wrong "challenge" Thus need to try and claim an area again or settle with no land for a while. The Bonfires Idea posted earlier: Would be good but then the larger covys would rage a little by my suggestion of that. Now Viral i am going to make a reference to GS again for this. If the gravesworn were told they could hold TWO bonfires they would not be able to hold ToG and catacombs in this system. Thus making them unhappy with the suggestion making this system not work.

    On the home Post:
    If homes were "safe Land Grabs" then we would run out of land quickly and also thered be no middle ground. So to combat this i propose this:
    Covenant Defined Homes have an extra defense value (as in doughs war) So when they are under invasion the invading covenant MUST score a great number higher then the defending covenant to take over. Ex
    NKs invade DS
    NK finish with 100 pts
    DS finish with 75 pts (unreasonable pts but bear with me)
    The NKs finished with 25% more pts then the DS thus gain an automatic capture.

    Agree?
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    Post by tinypantha Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:44 am

    ViralEnsign_ wrote:Tiny the GS hold all of Nito's domain.....come get some if you want to try to claim it!

    Edit also Tiny Dough< Shkar and I are already working on ways to mess around with small scale events and such things by changing the war models we already use.... read over the New war ideas thread and help us out!
    I have already read that topic, and this topic was to filter ideas to doughs head.
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    Post by DoughGuy Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:50 am

    Hate to point out 100 is 33% more than 75 Pantha silly\
    The way we plan on doing it is that everyone starts in their home base and expands. You can take any empty area, or you can fight over occupied ones. Home bases wont have a bonus defensive value per se, they just will be much much harder to take than normal areas. If anyone has played DoW Soulstorm or the expansion before it thats what its gonna be like.
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    Post by tinypantha Wed Oct 24, 2012 8:53 am

    DoughGuy wrote:Hate to point out 100 is 33% more than 75 Pantha silly\
    The way we plan on doing it is that everyone starts in their home base and expands. You can take any empty area, or you can fight over occupied ones. Home bases wont have a bonus defensive value per se, they just will be much much harder to take than normal areas. If anyone has played DoW Soulstorm or the expansion before it thats what its gonna be like.
    I have not playd DoW but thank you for pointing out the error in my math (I was basing it off of a 100 scale for some reason). Also this post was just a test so none of this did i actually have plans on pursuing at all. The homebases was a suggestion that was O.P in my opinion so i nerfed it down and posted that version to see what ppl would say. Also your version of a war system is very nice but will yours be able to be used all year?
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    Post by DoughGuy Wed Oct 24, 2012 9:01 am

    If you mean the current war system thats not actually mine its shkars, and barring illness or other RL problems it should be usable all year.

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