Would you accept a Pistol if....

GaryBlevins wrote:If a gun weighed as much as havels greatshield, had complete s*** accuracy, could be heard from a mile away, and took forever to reload, then I might, and I say might, be able to accept a gun in Dark Souls.

But let's stop beating around the bush and get to the underlying point: If you want to fight with guns, go play Call of Duty or Halo. If you want to fight face to face like a man, play Dark Souls.

GrinTwist wrote:I just don't think weapons of this nature would go well with the image of Dark Souls, sure they might be able to implement them well but when I think Dark Souls 2 I don't think muskets or a blunderbuss I think magic, swords, spears, and dung pies. I just don't think I'll ever be able to accept Dark Souls with those weapons in the game.

Also, let me raise another issue about the progression of weapons such as guns and how they conflict within the nature of the Souls games. One of the things that guns represent, at least to me, is the progression of weapons that will one day lead a more advanced society. Advancement for most people is normally a good thing, although I know some may disagree about weapons but that is another subject.

Look around Dark Souls, the Burg is a place abandoned and covered in moss with it's possible tenants undead hollows, Anor Londo is shrouded in a lie aroused by a mad god who has no intentions of changing anything, and Blight town is an utter wreck. The idea of it is that Dark Souls is not about the progression of things on a scale of making a new weapon it's about surviving a world that may never change because of the amount of darkness that has swallowed it, a gun would represent that things are changing for the better for those that haven't gone hollow yet, a better chance to survive against the horrors of the Tomb or Blight town. Simply put a gun cannot be allowed because it shows that things are changing for the better of humanity. If anything adding a gun would be nothing more than an uplifting feeling for the player and possibly lorewise too.

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GrinTwist wrote:I just don't think weapons of this nature would go well with the image of Dark Souls, sure they might be able to implement them well but when I think Dark Souls 2 I don't think muskets or a blunderbuss I think magic, swords, spears, and dung pies. I just don't think I'll ever be able to accept Dark Souls with those weapons in the game.

Also, let me raise another issue about the progression of weapons such as guns and how they conflict within the nature of the Souls games. One of the things that guns represent, at least to me, is the progression of weapons that will one day lead a more advanced society. Advancement for most people is normally a good thing, although I know some may disagree about weapons but that is another subject.

Look around Dark Souls, the Burg is a place abandoned and covered in moss with it's possible tenants undead hollows, Anor Londo is shrouded in a lie aroused by a mad god who has no intentions of changing anything, and Blight town is an utter wreck. The idea of it is that Dark Souls is not about the progression of things on a scale of making a new weapon it's about surviving a world that may never change because of the amount of darkness that has swallowed it, a gun would represent that things are changing for the better for those that haven't gone hollow yet, a better chance to survive against the horrors of the Tomb or Blight town. Simply put a gun cannot be allowed because it shows that things are changing for the better of humanity. If anything adding a gun would be nothing more than an uplifting feeling for the player and possibly lorewise too.

I'd like to re-post this here, as I really put it in a duplicate thread to begin with. I'd let the topic die but I always enjoy discussion here on the forums and would like to know if anyone finds a flaw with the logic used here.

samster628 wrote:One gun to rule them all...

Thing is when you start to make guns that is a a path there is no going back from. Nobody brings a sword to a gunfight.
Yes guns have been around for a long time but i think you are seriously overestimating their age. 

According to out old friend wikipedia (don't get me started on wikipedia) The medieval ages lasted from the 5th to the 15th centuries. Now consider that the earliest firearm was developed in china in the form of a huge bambo tube that fired out some gunpowder and a few projectiles in the 13th century. That is the latter end of the middle ages (and i consider dark souls to be based in the middle ages) so it is unlikley there would be firearms in dark souls but even if there were flintlock pistols (the ones you are showing) were not introduced until the 17th century.

So in short pistols would be historically inaccurate, game breaking (in terms of turning a swordfight to a shootout) and altogether a lousy idea. The best i could possibly accept is a very early cannon or two that could NOT be handheld. I am sorry but i just think some people are just mad about guns but don't get me started there ether (seriously that's a dark road to walk).


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So what you're saying is that exploding barrels, fire bombs, and EVERYTHING TRYING TO KILL YOU, that someone wouldn't think "Hey, I wonder what would happen if I put a lot of this black stuff into a tube, put a fork in there, and lit it?"

Also, you do realize that early guns (Like during the Revolution times) were fire once or twice, then pull out your sword to go in for the fight, right? There wouldn't be a "turns it into a shoot out" any more than when/if two Sorcerer or Bow users start fighting each other, and honestly how often does that happen in DkS as it is now? The real answer; it doesn't. Stop being ridiculous.


As for what they would do that would be different, could be a lot of things; Could deal Smashing damage instead of Peircing (Which is what crossbows do). Could be an instant shot instead of the short delay of the crossbows. They could be separated into two groups; pistols (Reload time affected by dexterity) and Cannons (Carriable, but have to be duel handed and require a high str, but hurt like a melon farmer). They could have a small pushback like the DSGB for keeping space. They could steal children, eat candy, or force someone into a taunt animation.

I'm still honestly waiting for ANYONE to give a GOOD reason Guns couldn't be in DkSII

samster628 wrote:One gun to rule them all...

Thing is when you start to make guns that is a a path there is no going back from. Nobody brings a sword to a gunfight.

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skarekrow13 wrote:Let's not get too heated.  Again, the question is "would you accept it" or basically, "do you like the idea"

I would suggest again that we take mechanics of in game use off the table, that's From's decision and burden to balance it.

Let's not discuss the history of the Earth and turn that into debate because we only need to be as historically and scientifically accurate as say; a half spider, all woman lava spewing monster with great

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