Mages: Why the hate?

LunarFog wrote:You should know by now that I'm not the most becoming person in these forums.

Feel free to rip me if I'm wrong but a pure caster has 2 BUFFS they can stack and use at any time with no detrimental effects(Crown of Dusk + Bellowing Dragoncrest ring/Ring of Sun's firstborn), and the only buffs available to melee users are the hornet ring and Leo ring which only work under special circumstances.

Magicians also have the advantage of CHIP DAMAGE. Even with shields designed specifically for blocking magic I've had over 40% of my health chipped away.

LAG can make dodging spells tricky if not impossible. I've dodged 5 feet away from a soul spear and still took damage, and I've blocked a soul spear, put down my shield and then took the damage.

The RANGE AND POWER of spells are also pretty ridiculous. A standard soul spear can do over 1000 damage, which is not only stronger than an ultra greatsword and way faster, but it can be shot from a distance and quickly.

Magicians have theSAFETY of range and regaining stamina while casting spells, always putting them at a stamina advantage compared to a melee user.

Oh, and all of their most dangerous spells(WoG, Dark Bead, Crystal Soul spear) are easily SPAMMABLE.


So with advantages in buffs, chip damage, lag, range, power, safety, and spam, tell me how it takes as much skill to be a mage opposed to a melee user?

Serious_Much wrote:You're forgetting that soul spear is easily dodgable, even with lag. Range means nothing if you can close the distance. Chip damage won't happen if you have a good shield with you...

Using those stacks requires sacrificing of other things lunar. Rings such as wolf ring, havel's ring, fap ring can be essential to any melee build, but in a mage build you cannot use as many as a melee build can with their setup. Every build gets it's stacks and advantages, they're different to others.

The fact is this comes down to what I call PvP rock paper scissors. Some builds just trump others. If you wanna trump a mage, a faith user with GMB and a nice magic shield is the way you wanna go, not a pure melee build.

As I like to say, each PvP match really is decided mostly on what you bring to the dogfight. Magic users can easily be negated, it's just few people think to employ tactics that would negate them

NPCWhiteMage wrote:

Be a better warrior? I'm sorry to say that, but there are options out there. Dip into faith and pick up Vow of Silence. Or pick up a Stone Greatsword and use the Tranquil Walk of Peace ability to slow them down, catch up, and have at. Get a bow, sure they do crap damage, but it offers range. (Black) Firebombs provide range to a non caster as well.

This arguement simply comes people being set in their ways and not willing to try new things, and instead blame the system which is clearly not broken.

Also, don't blame Lag.

Carphil wrote:...Magic, taking skill or not, is boring to use IMO...

LunarFog wrote:

Animaaal wrote:
DWGR ruins mages. VoS ruins mages. Mages ruin mages. Strong Magic Shield ruins mages. GMB ruins mages. Bows and crossbows can ruin mages.

DWGR - The extra invincibility frames could counter the lag of spells maybe.

VoS - Since this lasts for 25 seconds that might be long enough to mess up a mage so I'll give you this one.

Mages - Takes a mage to kill a mage so this doesn't count.

Strong magic shield - Lasts for 15 seconds, so not really.

GMB - I'll give you this one.

Bows and crossbows - No. If you try interrupting a soul spear with a crossbow it'll only end with simultaneous hits, and guess which hurts more?

mugenis4real wrote:Truth be told I haven't used a weapon or shield in Dark Souls for months now. After the DLC dropped, mages became more powerful than ever. These are my current builds and my win-loss in Undead Burg duels.

https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=187287502795171285
Wins: 87
Losses: 6
Draws: 5

https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=184348154726473680
Wins: 44
Losses: 3
Draws: 0

I think the numbers speak for themselves. To be honest I'm loving this play-style simply because it makes me feel GODLIKE against melee oriented players.

One thing I will never understand though is why no one ever uses this miracle, especially after the DLC
http://darksoulswiki.wikispaces.com/Vow+of+Silence

On a more final note, to say that being a Caster takes no skill is the same as saying "I don't understand Dark Souls."

mugenis4real wrote:Truth be told I haven't used a weapon or shield in Dark Souls for months now. After the DLC dropped, mages became more powerful than ever. These are my current builds and my win-loss in Undead Burg duels.

https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=187287502795171285
Wins: 87
Losses: 6
Draws: 5

https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=184348154726473680
Wins: 44
Losses: 3
Draws: 0

I think the numbers speak for themselves. To be honest I'm loving this play-style simply because it makes me feel GODLIKE against melee oriented players.

One thing I will never understand though is why no one ever uses this miracle, especially after the DLC
http://darksoulswiki.wikispaces.com/Vow+of+Silence

On a more final note, to say that being a Caster takes no skill is the same as saying "I don't understand Dark Souls."

Rynn wrote:Magic is overpowered. Noone could look at me and seriously claim it's not... To hit someone for 800 damage in a single hit with a melee weapon requires a vastly higher amount of time.

NPCWhiteMage wrote:

Rynn wrote:Magic is overpowered. Noone could look at me and seriously claim it's not... To hit someone for 800 damage in a single hit with a melee weapon requires a vastly higher amount of time.

Magic is not over powered

Rynn wrote:

NPCWhiteMage wrote:

Rynn wrote:Magic is overpowered. Noone could look at me and seriously claim it's not... To hit someone for 800 damage in a single hit with a melee weapon requires a vastly higher amount of time.

Magic is not over powered

Then you're not using it right.

NPCWhiteMage wrote:

Rynn wrote:Magic is overpowered. Noone could look at me and seriously claim it's not... To hit someone for 800 damage in a single hit with a melee weapon requires a vastly higher amount of time.

Magic is not over powered

Animaaal wrote:I think all the "one hit kill" youtube vids are dragonbros using strength weapons though....