I stink at PVP. Any tips?

by DemonOfFate Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:02 am

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Post by DemonOfFate Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:02 am

If you haven't already, try mid rolling for a while in a tank style gameplay, you might be surprised at how well it works out, then again, you might hate it. If anything, try setting up some Duels, i'd be willing to help you get used to pvp, and i'm sure plenty of other people on here would.

Oh and id also recommend making a build that can wield all weapons. Something like this http://mmdks.com/1lbu and of course, you would use this build to try every single weapon possible and find which one you like the most, of course this will take time, but it pays off in the end. I'd also mess around with rolls on that build.

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Post by Ezlare Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:09 am

Alright, then. I'm going to try out the builds above a bit, especially the third one. It may take me a while, but it's a start. And thanks, all. I could experiment with all of the things mentioned.

by Soris Ice Goldwing Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:10 am

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Post by Soris Ice Goldwing Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:10 am

This was the best that I could do for high poise and defense as a str/faith. Not my best but fast roll plus a greatsword is not easy with poise without the wolf ring.
A int build seems easier to use with the vit, and the stats to balance str, dex with some useful magic.

by Rifter7 Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:55 am

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Post by Rifter7 Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:55 am

find a weapon you like, play with it as much as you can and adapt the build accordingly... or find a new weapon if it doesn't work.

getting good with your weapon of choice should be the first thing you ever do with the build before you start adding fancy stuff to it- so go for a very simple, durable and mobile build.

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Post by Jansports Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:02 am

You want to be strong? You wanna ROLL PLACES HELLA FAST. You want Faith to buff your stuff?

Introducing, The Baddy Buster. Garunteed to Roll R1 all the bads. http://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls/?c=300546147272183456

by WhatDoesThePendantDo? Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:03 am

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Post by WhatDoesThePendantDo? Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:03 am

You and your clubs, Jans. tongue

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WhatDoesThePendantDo? wrote:You and your clubs, Jans.

Me

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by Tegu Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:47 am

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Post by Tegu Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:47 am

http://mmdks.com/1le6
Here's the one I'm using and I am a beginner. It's working well if I can overwhelm their poise and back off.

by Pilgrim34 Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:26 pm

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Post by Pilgrim34 Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:26 pm

It's a strong build but you'll be very vulnerable against a mobile opponent who will find it easy to keep their distance from you and then backstab/riposte- maybe swap the Wolf Ring for Havel's so that you can at least mid-roll?

by Elifia Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:40 pm

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Post by Elifia Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:40 pm

Tegu wrote:http://mmdks.com/1le6
Here's the one I'm using and I am a beginner. It's working well if I can overwhelm their poise and back off.

You have a really weird encumbrance. It's just a tad over 50%.

I'm not really good at PvP either, but lately I've been using this build.
It's got good defense and hp, allowing for mistakes. The 2 shields mean you always can decide to block stuff, if you want. The only thing you really need to dodge is those lightning spears some clerics like to throw. But that's easy.
The claymore has a good moveset. It can easily punish BS fishers, and you can stunlock people for a couple of hits.
And it's only lvl 65, so you probably won't be fighting all the hardcore lvl 120 players.
I'm actually winning 1vs2 sometimes. So there's gotta be something good about it happy

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Post by Walter_White Tue Mar 26, 2013 3:22 pm

WhatDoesThePendantDo? wrote:

Tegu wrote:Bring poison darts and poison them at the start if you can. Adds stress in their head.

People say that but when it happens to me I just shrug it off. The damage is so negligible that its only real threat is the potential psychological edge it supposedly awards.

bring some I stink at PVP. Any tips? - Page 2 2324285107

that brings more than a little bit pressure - eat moss and you get my sword to eat twisted

by Tegu Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:36 pm

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Post by Tegu Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:36 pm

Elifia wrote:

Tegu wrote:http://mmdks.com/1le6
Here's the one I'm using and I am a beginner. It's working well if I can overwhelm their poise and back off.

You have a really weird encumbrance. It's just a tad over 50%.

I'm not really good at PvP either, but lately I've been using this build.
It's got good defense and hp, allowing for mistakes. The 2 shields mean you always can decide to block stuff, if you want. The only thing you really need to dodge is those lightning spears some clerics like to throw. But that's easy.
The claymore has a good moveset. It can easily punish BS fishers, and you can stunlock people for a couple of hits.
And it's only lvl 65, so you probably won't be fighting all the hardcore lvl 120 players.
I'm actually winning 1vs2 sometimes. So there's gotta be something good about it

I'm sorry, I did not properly copy it.
http://mmdks.com/1lmj

by Elifia Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:41 pm

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Post by Elifia Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:41 pm

Tegu wrote:

Elifia wrote:

Tegu wrote:http://mmdks.com/1le6
Here's the one I'm using and I am a beginner. It's working well if I can overwhelm their poise and back off.

You have a really weird encumbrance. It's just a tad over 50%.

I'm not really good at PvP either, but lately I've been using this build.
It's got good defense and hp, allowing for mistakes. The 2 shields mean you always can decide to block stuff, if you want. The only thing you really need to dodge is those lightning spears some clerics like to throw. But that's easy.
The claymore has a good moveset. It can easily punish BS fishers, and you can stunlock people for a couple of hits.
And it's only lvl 65, so you probably won't be fighting all the hardcore lvl 120 players.
I'm actually winning 1vs2 sometimes. So there's gotta be something good about it

I'm sorry, I did not properly copy it.
http://mmdks.com/1lmj

You still have this weird 51.1% encumbrance. With just 2 more END you can mid-roll.

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Post by Dibsville Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:42 pm

Best way to get better at PvP is to go to the forest.

by **befowler** Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:26 pm

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Post by befowler Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:26 pm

Personally, I didn't find build help to be useful until I was decent at PvP; it was like having a nice car I didn't know how to drive. If you are just starting out, here's what did help me:

1) Watch a bunch of tutorial videos on basic pvp, like avoiding backstabs. Make a list of the techniques and then work on one at a time until you are ok at it before you move to the next, rather than trying to just throw it all together at once. High flying "pro" or fun PvP videos are for later when it's easier to interpret and apply what you are seeing.

2) Pick a weapon you feel comfortable with. Doesn't matter what. Forcing yourself to like a weapon just because others claim it's great or OP is a recipe for frustration. I started with fast weapons with adaptable movesets, like straight swords (which I still really enjoy).

3) Backpedal/dodge a lot, and don't spam attacks. The longer a fight lasts, the more likely you are to learn something from it even if you end up losing anyway. Spamming tends to get you parried or backstabbed, and even if it works you won't learn much. I used to force myself to only do a single R1/R2 attack before rolling/running, even if it connected and the target got stunned.

And have fun! You won't learn anything if you are stressed out, or still fuming over that last lagstab from your prior match.

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Post by Tegu Tue Mar 26, 2013 5:55 pm

Elifia wrote:

Tegu wrote:

Elifia wrote:

Tegu wrote:http://mmdks.com/1le6
Here's the one I'm using and I am a beginner. It's working well if I can overwhelm their poise and back off.

You have a really weird encumbrance. It's just a tad over 50%.

I'm not really good at PvP either, but lately I've been using this build.
It's got good defense and hp, allowing for mistakes. The 2 shields mean you always can decide to block stuff, if you want. The only thing you really need to dodge is those lightning spears some clerics like to throw. But that's easy.
The claymore has a good moveset. It can easily punish BS fishers, and you can stunlock people for a couple of hits.
And it's only lvl 65, so you probably won't be fighting all the hardcore lvl 120 players.
I'm actually winning 1vs2 sometimes. So there's gotta be something good about it

I'm sorry, I did not properly copy it.
http://mmdks.com/1lmj

You still have this weird 51.1% encumbrance. With just 2 more END you can mid-roll.

What the heckkk?
Oh, I just realized I forgot to fix the Iato and onion bro roll.
http://mmdks.com/1lob

by Tchuwib Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:22 pm

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Post by Tchuwib Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:22 pm

befowler wrote:Personally, I didn't find build help to be useful until I was decent at PvP; it was like having a nice car I didn't know how to drive. If you are just starting out, here's what did help me:

1) Watch a bunch of tutorial videos on basic pvp, like avoiding backstabs. Make a list of the techniques and then work on one at a time until you are ok at it before you move to the next, rather than trying to just throw it all together at once. High flying "pro" or fun PvP videos are for later when it's easier to interpret and apply what you are seeing.

2) Pick a weapon you feel comfortable with. Doesn't matter what. Forcing yourself to like a weapon just because others claim it's great or OP is a recipe for frustration. I started with fast weapons with adaptable movesets, like straight swords (which I still really enjoy).

3) Backpedal/dodge a lot, and don't spam attacks. The longer a fight lasts, the more likely you are to learn something from it even if you end up losing anyway. Spamming tends to get you parried or backstabbed, and even if it works you won't learn much. I used to force myself to only do a single R1/R2 attack before rolling/running, even if it connected and the target got stunned.

And have fun! You won't learn anything if you are stressed out, or still fuming over that last lagstab from your prior match.

I have to be a brown nose on this one and say that's the best advice on the list. It's perfect advice for a starter at PvP.

by Saturday-Saint Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:54 am

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Post by Saturday-Saint Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:54 am

befowler wrote:Personally, I didn't find build help to be useful until I was decent at PvP; it was like having a nice car I didn't know how to drive

IMO getting a good and easy to use build should be step #1 for everybody getting into PvP. Something like Dex hybrid with a buff, or Q with Clay, Halberd, and/or Zwei. Basically something that will let them compete with other players who are around their skill level without having to slog through dozens of hours of losing due to build handicap.

Also having something that actually rewards you for learning basic stuff (which general-use easy builds do) gives new players a really good feedback loop, so they're gonna learn the fundamentals of the game better and faster.

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Post by OrnsteinBro Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:38 pm

You know, now that I see this thread... I stink at pvp too, I need tips.

How do you beat a pair of smart players using katanas and TWOP? They both have at least 77 poise, hornet's ring, more than 2k hp, wotg and dark magic. I keep running into this pair in the forest and losing, when I parry the other one will run up and bs, and they know to execute the running r1s sumultaneously. They can parry too. How do I win?

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Post by skarekrow13 Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:42 pm

Hope they left their rolly cats alive? twisted

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Post by The Letter X Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:44 pm

OrnsteinBro wrote:You know, now that I see this thread... I stink at pvp too, I need tips.

How do you beat a pair of smart players using katanas and TWOP? They both have at least 77 poise, hornet's ring, more than 2k hp, wotg and dark magic. I keep running into this pair in the forest and losing, when I parry the other one will run up and bs, and they know to execute the running r1s sumultaneously. They can parry too. How do I win?

You'd need to stack poise and use WoG/Dark Magic yourself, but it's understandable to lose against something like that almost no matter how good you are

Are they spawn camping?

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The Letter X wrote:

OrnsteinBro wrote:You know, now that I see this thread... I stink at pvp too, I need tips.

How do you beat a pair of smart players using katanas and TWOP? They both have at least 77 poise, hornet's ring, more than 2k hp, wotg and dark magic. I keep running into this pair in the forest and losing, when I parry the other one will run up and bs, and they know to execute the running r1s sumultaneously. They can parry too. How do I win?

You'd need to stack poise and use WoG/Dark Magic yourself, but it's understandable to lose against something like that almost no matter how good you are

Are they spawn camping?

Yeah, spawn camping.

skarekrow13 wrote: Hope they left their rolly cats alive?

Everything is dead. I ran them through the cat and mushroom areas. Also, when one BSes the other goes for TWOP instantly.

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