A small analogy in the sword category.

My only thought is the BSS is the longsword of dex builds.

Where is all this Broadsword love coming from???

The long sword is so much better because in dark souls the long swords diversity in attack will save your characters life on many occasions. Not to mention it's much stronger than the broadsword.

Broken Sword Hilt Time.

WaLKA wrote:Broken Sword Hilt Time.

My man!

RenegadeCop wrote:Erm, no it isn't. Only on counters can it be stronger. Normal attacks are a bit weaker. Also, I played through the entire game with the Broadsword, with literally no problems.

Right, it's higher AR (broadsword) vs. a more diverse moveset (longsword)

Zweihander makes people go splat, which is why it's used more....

Splat = more fun.

The zwei breaks the pattern because it has lower stat requirments than the greatsword.

Long and Broad are the same, (man do i love the longsord), and Clay and Bastard are the same.....

....although I'm sure MM is right about the splat appeal too.

This is how I've thought of these weapons since long before I joined the forums. This is how I view straight swords, greatswords and ultra greatswords
longsword=claymore=greatsword
broadsword=bastard sword=zweihander
balder side sword=estoc
Sunlight straight sword= Demons Souls knight sword=stronger, heavier longsword
Astora straight sword=fancy, divine longsword
silver knight sword=fancy sword
black knight sword=black knight greatsword
drake sword=dragon king greatsword
obsidian blade=Grant
moonlight greatsword=unique

Broadsword also has the range of a dagger (not a video game dagger, a real one). I wouldn't use one unless a had a nice bit of poise stacked on.

Brigade wrote:Broadsword also has the range of a dagger (not a video game dagger, a real one). I wouldn't use one unless a had a nice bit of poise stacked on.

I use a Broadsword with a Calamity Ring and 22 poise sometimes. The forward steps on its R2's really make up for its slightly shorter range.

My first and only thought on this is kind of how non-useful it is.

The Zwei is longer and lighter than the greatsword, and gets an even more viable poke attack with the roll, there's no reason to get hit by the GS's r2 because it's so damn slow.

Ghadis_God wrote:There's no reason to get hit by the GS's r2 because it's so damn slow.

Tell that to overly aggressive players.

Ghadis_God wrote:The Zwei is longer and lighter than the greatsword, and gets an even more viable poke attack with the roll, there's no reason to get hit by the GS's r2 because it's so damn slow.

GS's R2 is faster than the BKGS's, and people still get hit by that one.

The Letter X wrote:

Ghadis_God wrote:There's no reason to get hit by the GS's r2 because it's so damn slow.

Tell that to overly aggressive players.

There's no reason to get aggressive against UGS users.

The greatsword has the same rolling thrust as the Zwei

So does the DGM, but I don't think it does thrust damage it just is a thrusting attack

Jansports wrote:The greatsword has the same rolling thrust as the Zwei

So does the DGM, but I don't think it does thrust damage it just is a thrusting attack

If it's a thrusting attack, it most likely deals thrust damage. The developers made everything in this game for a reason.