The worst weapons to use in pvp?

Saturday-Saint wrote:Honestly Greataxe is IMO the worst weapon class in the game outside of the obviously bad things like bashing people to death with shields and talismans. I would place it lower than claws and whips, even.

Bleeding_Katana wrote:

Saturday-Saint wrote:Honestly Greataxe is IMO the worst weapon class in the game outside of the obviously bad things like bashing people to death with shields and talismans. I would place it lower than claws and whips, even.

You're on crack bro. I think you just can't use it.

Demon Slayer wrote:

Carphil wrote:

Elifia wrote:
Vamos, mi amor!
Te quiero puta!

Still.... no stunlock.

i talk spanish and you just said

i love you ***** please stop that leanguage theres no reason to use it

please stop it

roanispe wrote:

Animaaal wrote:Worst weapon in pvp????...

...Cracked Round Shield.

I'd choose that if it weren't for Skull Latern.........

Maplepop wrote:@ Mellekilla
Great Club/Iaito/Halberd/Estoc/DGM/Composite Bow/Painting Guardian Sword bad for PvP?!
I understand that this argument is totally subjective, but I disagree.
I love all of those weapons... I'd happily take any of those into a duel providing I was using the right build to get the best out of them.

Mellekilla19 wrote:If you want serious answers I'll give 3 from each Category of which I deem bad.

Axes-
1. Hand Axe.
2. Golem Axe(Which may be good for the requirements just to use it are pretty heavy)
3. Crescent Axe.

Bows-
1. Long Bow
2. Short Bow
3. Composite Bow (It's good but compared to the Darkmoon bow and Pharis it's useless)

Crossbows-
1. Light Crossbow.
2. Sniper Crossbow.
3. Heavy Crossbow.

Curved Greatsword-
Server(Only one this time since there's only 3 and the other 2 are FAR better)

Curved Swords-
1. Falchion.
2. Scimitar.
3. Painting Guardian Sword.(Good but outclassed by the others)

Daggers-
1. Ghost Blade.
2. Dagger.
3. Parrying Dagger.(Only good if you know how to parry every weapon and how to get past the lagg barrier)

Fists-
1. Dark Hand.
2. Fist.
3. Caestus.

Greataxes-
1. Greataxe.
2. Stone Greataxe.
3. Demon's Greataxe.(again good but outclassed by the others)

Greatbow(Skipping since both are equal to me)

Great Hammers-
1. Grant.
2. Dragon Tooth.
3. Great Club.

Greatswords-
1. Great Lord Greatsword.
2. Bastard Sword.
3. Crystal Greatsword.

Halberds-
1. titanite Catch Pole.
2. Scythe.
3. Halberd.

Hammers-
1. Blacksmith Hammer.
2. Hammer of Zamos.
3. Warpick.

Katanas-
1. Chaos Blade.
2. Iaito.

Spears-
1. Channalers Trident.
2. Four-Pronged Plow.
3. Spear.

Straight Swords-
1. Broken Straight Sword.
2. Straight Sword Hilt.
3. Astora's Straight Sword.

Thrusting Weapons-
1. Mail Breaker.
2. Rapier.
3. Estoc.

Ultra Greatswords-
1. Greatsword.
2. Zweihander.
3. Demon's Great Machete.

Whip-
Whip.

TheMeInTeam wrote:Short bow can be great; it's not THAT much weaker
than alternatives but very importantly it weighs .5 and has low
requirements. Because of that, it's a great tool to poison people at
range (it shoots faster than longbow or pharis) or finish off a runner.
Pharis is weaker than the longbow and shoots slower than
short/composite. Shortbow and composite bow are the two best bows lol,
probably followed by darkmoon with its magic chip. Pharis has range for
good PvE hawk shenanigans though.

Estoc is one of the highest
critical weapons in the game and has lower stat requirements than the
likes of priscilla's, velkas, and ricardos, all of which are very stat
or buff dependent.

Halberd is a very powerful weapon in general and in some respects beats out the other weapons in its class.

Mellekilla19 wrote:If you want serious answers I'll give 3 from each Category of which I deem bad.

Axes-
1. Hand Axe.
2. Golem Axe(Which may be good for the requirements just to use it are pretty heavy)
3. Crescent Axe.

Bows-
1. Long Bow
2. Short Bow
3. Composite Bow (It's good but compared to the Darkmoon bow and Pharis it's useless)

Crossbows-
1. Light Crossbow.
2. Sniper Crossbow.
3. Heavy Crossbow.

Curved Greatsword-
Server(Only one this time since there's only 3 and the other 2 are FAR better)

Curved Swords-
1. Falchion.
2. Scimitar.
3. Painting Guardian Sword.(Good but outclassed by the others)

Daggers-
1. Ghost Blade.
2. Dagger.
3. Parrying Dagger.(Only good if you know how to parry every weapon and how to get past the lagg barrier)

Fists-
1. Dark Hand.
2. Fist.
3. Caestus.

Greataxes-
1. Greataxe.
2. Stone Greataxe.
3. Demon's Greataxe.(again good but outclassed by the others)

Greatbow(Skipping since both are equal to me)

Great Hammers-
1. Grant.
2. Dragon Tooth.
3. Great Club.

Greatswords-
1. Great Lord Greatsword.
2. Bastard Sword.
3. Crystal Greatsword.

Halberds-
1. titanite Catch Pole.
2. Scythe.
3. Halberd.

Hammers-
1. Blacksmith Hammer.
2. Hammer of Zamos.
3. Warpick.

Katanas-
1. Chaos Blade.
2. Iaito.

Spears-
1. Channalers Trident.
2. Four-Pronged Plow.
3. Spear.

Straight Swords-
1. Broken Straight Sword.
2. Straight Sword Hilt.
3. Astora's Straight Sword.

Thrusting Weapons-
1. Mail Breaker.
2. Rapier.
3. Estoc.

Ultra Greatswords-
1. Greatsword.
2. Zweihander.
3. Demon's Great Machete.

Whip-
Whip.

Mellekilla19 wrote:If you want serious answers I'll give 3 from each Category of which I deem bad.

Axes-
1. Hand Axe.
2. Golem Axe(Which may be good for the requirements just to use it are pretty heavy)
3. Crescent Axe.

Bows-
1. Long Bow
2. Short Bow
3. Composite Bow (It's good but compared to the Darkmoon bow and Pharis it's useless)

Crossbows-
1. Light Crossbow.
2. Sniper Crossbow.
3. Heavy Crossbow.

Curved Greatsword-
Server(Only one this time since there's only 3 and the other 2 are FAR better)

Curved Swords-
1. Falchion.
2. Scimitar.
3. Painting Guardian Sword.(Good but outclassed by the others)

Daggers-
1. Ghost Blade.
2. Dagger.
3. Parrying Dagger.(Only good if you know how to parry every weapon and how to get past the lagg barrier)

Fists-
1. Dark Hand.
2. Fist.
3. Caestus.

Greataxes-
1. Greataxe.
2. Stone Greataxe.
3. Demon's Greataxe.(again good but outclassed by the others)

Greatbow(Skipping since both are equal to me)

Great Hammers-
1. Grant.
2. Dragon Tooth.
3. Great Club.

Greatswords-
1. Great Lord Greatsword.
2. Bastard Sword.
3. Crystal Greatsword.

Halberds-
1. titanite Catch Pole.
2. Scythe.
3. Halberd.

Hammers-
1. Blacksmith Hammer.
2. Hammer of Zamos.
3. Warpick.

Katanas-
1. Chaos Blade.
2. Iaito.

Spears-
1. Channalers Trident.
2. Four-Pronged Plow.
3. Spear.

Straight Swords-
1. Broken Straight Sword.
2. Straight Sword Hilt.
3. Astora's Straight Sword.

Thrusting Weapons-
1. Mail Breaker.
2. Rapier.
3. Estoc.

Ultra Greatswords-
1. Greatsword.
2. Zweihander.
3. Demon's Great Machete.

Whip-
Whip.

Dibsville wrote:

Mellekilla19 wrote:If you want serious answers I'll give 3 from each Category of which I deem bad.

Axes-
1. Hand Axe.
2. Golem Axe(Which may be good for the requirements just to use it are pretty heavy)
3. Crescent Axe.

Bows-
1. Long Bow
2. Short Bow
3. Composite Bow (It's good but compared to the Darkmoon bow and Pharis it's useless)

Crossbows-
1. Light Crossbow.
2. Sniper Crossbow.
3. Heavy Crossbow.

Curved Greatsword-
Server(Only one this time since there's only 3 and the other 2 are FAR better)

Curved Swords-
1. Falchion.
2. Scimitar.
3. Painting Guardian Sword.(Good but outclassed by the others)

Daggers-
1. Ghost Blade.
2. Dagger.
3. Parrying Dagger.(Only good if you know how to parry every weapon and how to get past the lagg barrier)

Fists-
1. Dark Hand.
2. Fist.
3. Caestus.

Greataxes-
1. Greataxe.
2. Stone Greataxe.
3. Demon's Greataxe.(again good but outclassed by the others)

Greatbow(Skipping since both are equal to me)

Great Hammers-
1. Grant.
2. Dragon Tooth.
3. Great Club.

Greatswords-
1. Great Lord Greatsword.
2. Bastard Sword.
3. Crystal Greatsword.

Halberds-
1. titanite Catch Pole.
2. Scythe.
3. Halberd.

Hammers-
1. Blacksmith Hammer.
2. Hammer of Zamos.
3. Warpick.

Katanas-
1. Chaos Blade.
2. Iaito.

Spears-
1. Channalers Trident.
2. Four-Pronged Plow.
3. Spear.

Straight Swords-
1. Broken Straight Sword.
2. Straight Sword Hilt.
3. Astora's Straight Sword.

Thrusting Weapons-
1. Mail Breaker.
2. Rapier.
3. Estoc.

Ultra Greatswords-
1. Greatsword.
2. Zweihander.
3. Demon's Great Machete.

Whip-
Whip.

Fixed.

By the way, Demon's Greataxe is the strongest weapon in the game, how is it outclassed?

Mellekilla19 wrote:

Dibsville wrote:

Mellekilla19 wrote:If you want serious answers I'll give 3 from each Category of which I deem bad.

Axes-
1. Hand Axe.
2. Golem Axe(Which may be good for the requirements just to use it are pretty heavy)
3. Crescent Axe.

Bows-
1. Long Bow
2. Short Bow
3. Composite Bow (It's good but compared to the Darkmoon bow and Pharis it's useless)

Crossbows-
1. Light Crossbow.
2. Sniper Crossbow.
3. Heavy Crossbow.

Curved Greatsword-
Server(Only one this time since there's only 3 and the other 2 are FAR better)

Curved Swords-
1. Falchion.
2. Scimitar.
3. Painting Guardian Sword.(Good but outclassed by the others)

Daggers-
1. Ghost Blade.
2. Dagger.
3. Parrying Dagger.(Only good if you know how to parry every weapon and how to get past the lagg barrier)

Fists-
1. Dark Hand.
2. Fist.
3. Caestus.

Greataxes-
1. Greataxe.
2. Stone Greataxe.
3. Demon's Greataxe.(again good but outclassed by the others)

Greatbow(Skipping since both are equal to me)

Great Hammers-
1. Grant.
2. Dragon Tooth.
3. Great Club.

Greatswords-
1. Great Lord Greatsword.
2. Bastard Sword.
3. Crystal Greatsword.

Halberds-
1. titanite Catch Pole.
2. Scythe.
3. Halberd.

Hammers-
1. Blacksmith Hammer.
2. Hammer of Zamos.
3. Warpick.

Katanas-
1. Chaos Blade.
2. Iaito.

Spears-
1. Channalers Trident.
2. Four-Pronged Plow.
3. Spear.

Straight Swords-
1. Broken Straight Sword.
2. Straight Sword Hilt.
3. Astora's Straight Sword.

Thrusting Weapons-
1. Mail Breaker.
2. Rapier.
3. Estoc.

Ultra Greatswords-
1. Greatsword.
2. Zweihander.
3. Demon's Great Machete.

Whip-
Whip.

Fixed.

By the way, Demon's Greataxe is the strongest weapon in the game, how is it outclassed?

Most of the weapons are there not because they're bad but comparing them to others in the class they're in they either have a low power output or are slow as hell or have stupidly high requirements to use. Iaito is there because compared to the Uchi and the Washing Pole it's just... weaker to do the same exact thing an Uchi can.
Lets go in order though, The Hand Axe is there because well, comparing it to the Battle Axe it's just... weaker and let's not compare it to anything stronger in that category. Golem Axe is there because it's requirements to use is stupidly high.
The Composite Bow and Short bow are there since well, The Darkmoon for me was the strongest bow in there(and yes I've tested it) along with Pharis's having the longest range allowing for a few pot shots to those who invade to bait someone into a Mob fight etc.
I never use Crossbows but the few times I did Avelyn felt like it was the best of the lot.
The Server is there since comparing it to the Murakumo or the Gravelord it just felt that it was weaker.
The Scimitar and Falchion are there for the base fact compared to the others.... they don't really do anything, good for low levels and light too but when comparing it to things like Shotel, Quelaags, Jagged Ghost, Gold Tracer they just don't stand up, along with the Paintings, sure it may be fast but again comparing it to others it's just weaker to do the same thing that the jagged and the Gold Tracer can do.
The Dagger is there since it just doesn't stand up against Priscillas or the bandit knife. DST is stronger than it too.
The Great axe is there Because comparing it to the Black Knight greataxe, and the Dragon King one it's just really weak. Demon's Greataxe is there because again for me it just didn't handle well in a fight. I felt more better off with the BKGA and the DKGA.
I don't remember why I put the dragon tooth down, I probably meant Demon's Great hammer.
Great Club is there since comparing it to the Large club it's just well... Great club does nothing while the Large poisons.
Great Lord Greatsword is there since it's probably the greatsword I least used for whatever reason, call it well.. not using it.
The Bastard Sword is there Since comparing it to the others much like every other time I've said it, there's normally something which out class's it.
The Scythe is there because well.. as much as I love it it's just for me hard to use in PVP along with the small fact there are the other scythes I'd rather use even though I wont deny that they're hard as hell to hit with. Halberd is there because for me, BKH and the Gargoyle one were again a little more useful.
Warpick? I meant the Pickaxe, that was my bad.
I've already explained my reasons behind the Iaito.
The Channalers Trident is there because well... The INT requirement. While it's good for mages I don't think it'd be worth while for any other build It's probably nice for Ganking(Didn't think of that at the time I added it haha)
I also meant the Winged Spear for the other one.
all the Thrusting ones were there for is because well.. I just prefer Richards and Velka's Rapiers.
Lastly The Zweihander is there and while I absolutely adore it the BLGS is better I'd have put the DGS in it's place for it's high requirements but who am I kidding the DGS is fun as hell to run with.

Dibsville wrote:

Mellekilla19 wrote:

Dibsville wrote:

Mellekilla19 wrote:If you want serious answers I'll give 3 from each Category of which I deem bad.

Axes-
1. Hand Axe.
2. Golem Axe(Which may be good for the requirements just to use it are pretty heavy)
3. Crescent Axe.

Bows-
1. Long Bow
2. Short Bow
3. Composite Bow (It's good but compared to the Darkmoon bow and Pharis it's useless)

Crossbows-
1. Light Crossbow.
2. Sniper Crossbow.
3. Heavy Crossbow.

Curved Greatsword-
Server(Only one this time since there's only 3 and the other 2 are FAR better)

Curved Swords-
1. Falchion.
2. Scimitar.
3. Painting Guardian Sword.(Good but outclassed by the others)

Daggers-
1. Ghost Blade.
2. Dagger.
3. Parrying Dagger.(Only good if you know how to parry every weapon and how to get past the lagg barrier)

Fists-
1. Dark Hand.
2. Fist.
3. Caestus.

Greataxes-
1. Greataxe.
2. Stone Greataxe.
3. Demon's Greataxe.(again good but outclassed by the others)

Greatbow(Skipping since both are equal to me)

Great Hammers-
1. Grant.
2. Dragon Tooth.
3. Great Club.

Greatswords-
1. Great Lord Greatsword.
2. Bastard Sword.
3. Crystal Greatsword.

Halberds-
1. titanite Catch Pole.
2. Scythe.
3. Halberd.

Hammers-
1. Blacksmith Hammer.
2. Hammer of Zamos.
3. Warpick.

Katanas-
1. Chaos Blade.
2. Iaito.

Spears-
1. Channalers Trident.
2. Four-Pronged Plow.
3. Spear.

Straight Swords-
1. Broken Straight Sword.
2. Straight Sword Hilt.
3. Astora's Straight Sword.

Thrusting Weapons-
1. Mail Breaker.
2. Rapier.
3. Estoc.

Ultra Greatswords-
1. Greatsword.
2. Zweihander.
3. Demon's Great Machete.

Whip-
Whip.

Fixed.

By the way, Demon's Greataxe is the strongest weapon in the game, how is it outclassed?

Most of the weapons are there not because they're bad but comparing them to others in the class they're in they either have a low power output or are slow as hell or have stupidly high requirements to use. Iaito is there because compared to the Uchi and the Washing Pole it's just... weaker to do the same exact thing an Uchi can.
Lets go in order though, The Hand Axe is there because well, comparing it to the Battle Axe it's just... weaker and let's not compare it to anything stronger in that category. Golem Axe is there because it's requirements to use is stupidly high.
The Composite Bow and Short bow are there since well, The Darkmoon for me was the strongest bow in there(and yes I've tested it) along with Pharis's having the longest range allowing for a few pot shots to those who invade to bait someone into a Mob fight etc.
I never use Crossbows but the few times I did Avelyn felt like it was the best of the lot.
The Server is there since comparing it to the Murakumo or the Gravelord it just felt that it was weaker.
The Scimitar and Falchion are there for the base fact compared to the others.... they don't really do anything, good for low levels and light too but when comparing it to things like Shotel, Quelaags, Jagged Ghost, Gold Tracer they just don't stand up, along with the Paintings, sure it may be fast but again comparing it to others it's just weaker to do the same thing that the jagged and the Gold Tracer can do.
The Dagger is there since it just doesn't stand up against Priscillas or the bandit knife. DST is stronger than it too.
The Great axe is there Because comparing it to the Black Knight greataxe, and the Dragon King one it's just really weak. Demon's Greataxe is there because again for me it just didn't handle well in a fight. I felt more better off with the BKGA and the DKGA.
I don't remember why I put the dragon tooth down, I probably meant Demon's Great hammer.
Great Club is there since comparing it to the Large club it's just well... Great club does nothing while the Large poisons.
Great Lord Greatsword is there since it's probably the greatsword I least used for whatever reason, call it well.. not using it.
The Bastard Sword is there Since comparing it to the others much like every other time I've said it, there's normally something which out class's it.
The Scythe is there because well.. as much as I love it it's just for me hard to use in PVP along with the small fact there are the other scythes I'd rather use even though I wont deny that they're hard as hell to hit with. Halberd is there because for me, BKH and the Gargoyle one were again a little more useful.
Warpick? I meant the Pickaxe, that was my bad.
I've already explained my reasons behind the Iaito.
The Channalers Trident is there because well... The INT requirement. While it's good for mages I don't think it'd be worth while for any other build It's probably nice for Ganking(Didn't think of that at the time I added it haha)
I also meant the Winged Spear for the other one.
all the Thrusting ones were there for is because well.. I just prefer Richards and Velka's Rapiers.
Lastly The Zweihander is there and while I absolutely adore it the BLGS is better I'd have put the DGS in it's place for it's high requirements but who am I kidding the DGS is fun as hell to run with.

You're comparing all these things for damage.

Moveset is what matters. Iaito has the best moveset of all the Katanas, yet only sacrifices 10 damage. Hand Axe is the straight sword of Strength weapons (even the same damage). It's also the only axe that doesn't whiff on the R1, which is fast and can easily do 300 damage per hit on a strength build. May not seem like a lot, but the speed on it is insane. The Short Bow and Composite Bow are easily the best two Bows, as they have faster attack speeds and have MUCH higher damage than the Darkmoon Bow (split damage is crap compared to the Composite Bow, which is literally made for f*cking stuff up with damage). Greataxe is stronger than all of the others that you listed besides Demon's Greataxe, which just so happens to be the strongest weapon in the entire game.
I agree the Golem Axe is rather useless, but the fact is it has a long ranged attack and has same stunlock as a Greatsword except it's harder to get out of. Avelyn is terrible because it fires three weaker shots, so if you only get one hit in you're missing out on a ton of damage you could have gotten from using any other Crossbow. Server is MUCH better than Gravelord because of both moveset and it does more damage. Scimitar and Falchion are both great weapons due to their speed. Painting Guardian Sword is easily the best of any of the Curved Swords. You're really going to tell me that Jagged Ghost Blade is better than any of those three?
Dagger has the fastest on-hand attack in the entire game, and believe it or not also has the highest DPS. While the Demon's Greataxe is the strongest weapon, if you could literally sit there and bash on your opponents, a buffed Dagger will do the most damage of any weaopn in the ENTIRE GAME.
Demon's Greathammer is literally a stronger version of Dragon Tooth. Great Club has much better damage than the Large Club. Also, getting a status effect in a PvP fight is rare, especially on the Large Club which has huge damage. You're going to kill someone before the poison kicks in, it's that simple. In other words, the poison effect is completely useless.
Great Lord Greatsword has one of the best PURE PHYSICAL damage outputs in the entire game. Pure Physical always wins against split damage.
Bastard Sword has the third highest AR of any Greatsword in the game that doesn't have split damage, just under the Cursed Arty sword and Abyss Greatsword, which have arguably worse movesets than the Bastard Sword and weigh almost twice as much. On top of that, they're only better when you have practically max stats. Scythe is one of the best Halberds due to its DEX scaling over other Halberds. Halberd gets the Leo Boost and could very easily be the best Halberd in the game, if not the best light weapon.
Pickaxe is an amazing Strength weapon since it does thrusting damage and as such gets a Bonus from the Leo Ring. Even without the Leo Ring, it still does extra counter damage that non-thrust weapons don't have. INT Requirement doesn't matter on Channeler's. Bad moveset, bad range. Nothing more needs to be said.
Zweihander doesn't even need a reason, it's an amazing weapon.

Mellekilla19 wrote:

Dibsville wrote:

Mellekilla19 wrote:

Dibsville wrote:

Mellekilla19 wrote:If you want serious answers I'll give 3 from each Category of which I deem bad.

Axes-
1. Hand Axe.
2. Golem Axe(Which may be good for the requirements just to use it are pretty heavy)
3. Crescent Axe.

Bows-
1. Long Bow
2. Short Bow
3. Composite Bow (It's good but compared to the Darkmoon bow and Pharis it's useless)

Crossbows-
1. Light Crossbow.
2. Sniper Crossbow.
3. Heavy Crossbow.

Curved Greatsword-
Server(Only one this time since there's only 3 and the other 2 are FAR better)

Curved Swords-
1. Falchion.
2. Scimitar.
3. Painting Guardian Sword.(Good but outclassed by the others)

Daggers-
1. Ghost Blade.
2. Dagger.
3. Parrying Dagger.(Only good if you know how to parry every weapon and how to get past the lagg barrier)

Fists-
1. Dark Hand.
2. Fist.
3. Caestus.

Greataxes-
1. Greataxe.
2. Stone Greataxe.
3. Demon's Greataxe.(again good but outclassed by the others)

Greatbow(Skipping since both are equal to me)

Great Hammers-
1. Grant.
2. Dragon Tooth.
3. Great Club.

Greatswords-
1. Great Lord Greatsword.
2. Bastard Sword.
3. Crystal Greatsword.

Halberds-
1. titanite Catch Pole.
2. Scythe.
3. Halberd.

Hammers-
1. Blacksmith Hammer.
2. Hammer of Zamos.
3. Warpick.

Katanas-
1. Chaos Blade.
2. Iaito.

Spears-
1. Channalers Trident.
2. Four-Pronged Plow.
3. Spear.

Straight Swords-
1. Broken Straight Sword.
2. Straight Sword Hilt.
3. Astora's Straight Sword.

Thrusting Weapons-
1. Mail Breaker.
2. Rapier.
3. Estoc.

Ultra Greatswords-
1. Greatsword.
2. Zweihander.
3. Demon's Great Machete.

Whip-
Whip.

Fixed.

By the way, Demon's Greataxe is the strongest weapon in the game, how is it outclassed?

Most of the weapons are there not because they're bad but comparing them to others in the class they're in they either have a low power output or are slow as hell or have stupidly high requirements to use. Iaito is there because compared to the Uchi and the Washing Pole it's just... weaker to do the same exact thing an Uchi can.
Lets go in order though, The Hand Axe is there because well, comparing it to the Battle Axe it's just... weaker and let's not compare it to anything stronger in that category. Golem Axe is there because it's requirements to use is stupidly high.
The Composite Bow and Short bow are there since well, The Darkmoon for me was the strongest bow in there(and yes I've tested it) along with Pharis's having the longest range allowing for a few pot shots to those who invade to bait someone into a Mob fight etc.
I never use Crossbows but the few times I did Avelyn felt like it was the best of the lot.
The Server is there since comparing it to the Murakumo or the Gravelord it just felt that it was weaker.
The Scimitar and Falchion are there for the base fact compared to the others.... they don't really do anything, good for low levels and light too but when comparing it to things like Shotel, Quelaags, Jagged Ghost, Gold Tracer they just don't stand up, along with the Paintings, sure it may be fast but again comparing it to others it's just weaker to do the same thing that the jagged and the Gold Tracer can do.
The Dagger is there since it just doesn't stand up against Priscillas or the bandit knife. DST is stronger than it too.
The Great axe is there Because comparing it to the Black Knight greataxe, and the Dragon King one it's just really weak. Demon's Greataxe is there because again for me it just didn't handle well in a fight. I felt more better off with the BKGA and the DKGA.
I don't remember why I put the dragon tooth down, I probably meant Demon's Great hammer.
Great Club is there since comparing it to the Large club it's just well... Great club does nothing while the Large poisons.
Great Lord Greatsword is there since it's probably the greatsword I least used for whatever reason, call it well.. not using it.
The Bastard Sword is there Since comparing it to the others much like every other time I've said it, there's normally something which out class's it.
The Scythe is there because well.. as much as I love it it's just for me hard to use in PVP along with the small fact there are the other scythes I'd rather use even though I wont deny that they're hard as hell to hit with. Halberd is there because for me, BKH and the Gargoyle one were again a little more useful.
Warpick? I meant the Pickaxe, that was my bad.
I've already explained my reasons behind the Iaito.
The Channalers Trident is there because well... The INT requirement. While it's good for mages I don't think it'd be worth while for any other build It's probably nice for Ganking(Didn't think of that at the time I added it haha)
I also meant the Winged Spear for the other one.
all the Thrusting ones were there for is because well.. I just prefer Richards and Velka's Rapiers.
Lastly The Zweihander is there and while I absolutely adore it the BLGS is better I'd have put the DGS in it's place for it's high requirements but who am I kidding the DGS is fun as hell to run with.

You're comparing all these things for damage.

Moveset is what matters. Iaito has the best moveset of all the Katanas, yet only sacrifices 10 damage. Hand Axe is the straight sword of Strength weapons (even the same damage). It's also the only axe that doesn't whiff on the R1, which is fast and can easily do 300 damage per hit on a strength build. May not seem like a lot, but the speed on it is insane. The Short Bow and Composite Bow are easily the best two Bows, as they have faster attack speeds and have MUCH higher damage than the Darkmoon Bow (split damage is crap compared to the Composite Bow, which is literally made for f*cking stuff up with damage). Greataxe is stronger than all of the others that you listed besides Demon's Greataxe, which just so happens to be the strongest weapon in the entire game.
I agree the Golem Axe is rather useless, but the fact is it has a long ranged attack and has same stunlock as a Greatsword except it's harder to get out of. Avelyn is terrible because it fires three weaker shots, so if you only get one hit in you're missing out on a ton of damage you could have gotten from using any other Crossbow. Server is MUCH better than Gravelord because of both moveset and it does more damage. Scimitar and Falchion are both great weapons due to their speed. Painting Guardian Sword is easily the best of any of the Curved Swords. You're really going to tell me that Jagged Ghost Blade is better than any of those three?
Dagger has the fastest on-hand attack in the entire game, and believe it or not also has the highest DPS. While the Demon's Greataxe is the strongest weapon, if you could literally sit there and bash on your opponents, a buffed Dagger will do the most damage of any weaopn in the ENTIRE GAME.
Demon's Greathammer is literally a stronger version of Dragon Tooth. Great Club has much better damage than the Large Club. Also, getting a status effect in a PvP fight is rare, especially on the Large Club which has huge damage. You're going to kill someone before the poison kicks in, it's that simple. In other words, the poison effect is completely useless.
Great Lord Greatsword has one of the best PURE PHYSICAL damage outputs in the entire game. Pure Physical always wins against split damage.
Bastard Sword has the third highest AR of any Greatsword in the game that doesn't have split damage, just under the Cursed Arty sword and Abyss Greatsword, which have arguably worse movesets than the Bastard Sword and weigh almost twice as much. On top of that, they're only better when you have practically max stats. Scythe is one of the best Halberds due to its DEX scaling over other Halberds. Halberd gets the Leo Boost and could very easily be the best Halberd in the game, if not the best light weapon.
Pickaxe is an amazing Strength weapon since it does thrusting damage and as such gets a Bonus from the Leo Ring. Even without the Leo Ring, it still does extra counter damage that non-thrust weapons don't have. INT Requirement doesn't matter on Channeler's. Bad moveset, bad range. Nothing more needs to be said.
Zweihander doesn't even need a reason, it's an amazing weapon.

A lot of my choices are there because I usually only use 2 rings EVER(Havels and RoFaP) the other reason why I'd rather use a weapon that does damage via other means be it Magic, Dark, Poison or bleed is because, to be honest, I usually R1 people to death, I rarely ever Dual hand a weapon and I rarely ever R2. Before you say "Ohh you're going to be parried" like countless others have.. it's rare to find someone with the ability to parry you, they'd sit and have their shield up if need be actually a lot of people just do that.

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Mellekilla19 wrote:If you want serious answers I'll give 3 from each Category of which I deem bad.

Axes-
1. Hand Axe.
2. Golem Axe(Which may be good for the requirements just to use it are pretty heavy)
3. Crescent Axe.

Bows-
1. Long Bow
2. Short Bow
3. Composite Bow (It's good but compared to the Darkmoon bow and Pharis it's useless)

Crossbows-
1. Light Crossbow.
2. Sniper Crossbow.
3. Heavy Crossbow.

Curved Greatsword-
Server(Only one this time since there's only 3 and the other 2 are FAR better)

Curved Swords-
1. Falchion.
2. Scimitar.
3. Painting Guardian Sword.(Good but outclassed by the others)

Daggers-
1. Ghost Blade.
2. Dagger.
3. Parrying Dagger.(Only good if you know how to parry every weapon and how to get past the lagg barrier)

Fists-
1. Dark Hand.
2. Fist.
3. Caestus.

Greataxes-
1. Greataxe.
2. Stone Greataxe.
3. Demon's Greataxe.(again good but outclassed by the others)

Greatbow(Skipping since both are equal to me)

Great Hammers-
1. Grant.
2. Dragon Tooth.
3. Great Club.

Greatswords-
1. Great Lord Greatsword.
2. Bastard Sword.
3. Crystal Greatsword.

Halberds-
1. titanite Catch Pole.
2. Scythe.
3. Halberd.

Hammers-
1. Blacksmith Hammer.
2. Hammer of Zamos.
3. Warpick.

Katanas-
1. Chaos Blade.
2. Iaito.

Spears-
1. Channalers Trident.
2. Four-Pronged Plow.
3. Spear.

Straight Swords-
1. Broken Straight Sword.
2. Straight Sword Hilt.
3. Astora's Straight Sword.

Thrusting Weapons-
1. Mail Breaker.
2. Rapier.
3. Estoc.

Ultra Greatswords-
1. Greatsword.
2. Zweihander.
3. Demon's Great Machete.

Whip-
Whip.

Fixed.

By the way, Demon's Greataxe is the strongest weapon in the game, how is it outclassed?

Most of the weapons are there not because they're bad but comparing them to others in the class they're in they either have a low power output or are slow as hell or have stupidly high requirements to use. Iaito is there because compared to the Uchi and the Washing Pole it's just... weaker to do the same exact thing an Uchi can.
Lets go in order though, The Hand Axe is there because well, comparing it to the Battle Axe it's just... weaker and let's not compare it to anything stronger in that category. Golem Axe is there because it's requirements to use is stupidly high.
The Composite Bow and Short bow are there since well, The Darkmoon for me was the strongest bow in there(and yes I've tested it) along with Pharis's having the longest range allowing for a few pot shots to those who invade to bait someone into a Mob fight etc.
I never use Crossbows but the few times I did Avelyn felt like it was the best of the lot.
The Server is there since comparing it to the Murakumo or the Gravelord it just felt that it was weaker.
The Scimitar and Falchion are there for the base fact compared to the others.... they don't really do anything, good for low levels and light too but when comparing it to things like Shotel, Quelaags, Jagged Ghost, Gold Tracer they just don't stand up, along with the Paintings, sure it may be fast but again comparing it to others it's just weaker to do the same thing that the jagged and the Gold Tracer can do.
The Dagger is there since it just doesn't stand up against Priscillas or the bandit knife. DST is stronger than it too.
The Great axe is there Because comparing it to the Black Knight greataxe, and the Dragon King one it's just really weak. Demon's Greataxe is there because again for me it just didn't handle well in a fight. I felt more better off with the BKGA and the DKGA.
I don't remember why I put the dragon tooth down, I probably meant Demon's Great hammer.
Great Club is there since comparing it to the Large club it's just well... Great club does nothing while the Large poisons.
Great Lord Greatsword is there since it's probably the greatsword I least used for whatever reason, call it well.. not using it.
The Bastard Sword is there Since comparing it to the others much like every other time I've said it, there's normally something which out class's it.
The Scythe is there because well.. as much as I love it it's just for me hard to use in PVP along with the small fact there are the other scythes I'd rather use even though I wont deny that they're hard as hell to hit with. Halberd is there because for me, BKH and the Gargoyle one were again a little more useful.
Warpick? I meant the Pickaxe, that was my bad.
I've already explained my reasons behind the Iaito.
The Channalers Trident is there because well... The INT requirement. While it's good for mages I don't think it'd be worth while for any other build It's probably nice for Ganking(Didn't think of that at the time I added it haha)
I also meant the Winged Spear for the other one.
all the Thrusting ones were there for is because well.. I just prefer Richards and Velka's Rapiers.
Lastly The Zweihander is there and while I absolutely adore it the BLGS is better I'd have put the DGS in it's place for it's high requirements but who am I kidding the DGS is fun as hell to run with.

You're comparing all these things for damage.

Moveset is what matters. Iaito has the best moveset of all the Katanas, yet only sacrifices 10 damage. Hand Axe is the straight sword of Strength weapons (even the same damage). It's also the only axe that doesn't whiff on the R1, which is fast and can easily do 300 damage per hit on a strength build. May not seem like a lot, but the speed on it is insane. The Short Bow and Composite Bow are easily the best two Bows, as they have faster attack speeds and have MUCH higher damage than the Darkmoon Bow (split damage is crap compared to the Composite Bow, which is literally made for f*cking stuff up with damage). Greataxe is stronger than all of the others that you listed besides Demon's Greataxe, which just so happens to be the strongest weapon in the entire game.
I agree the Golem Axe is rather useless, but the fact is it has a long ranged attack and has same stunlock as a Greatsword except it's harder to get out of. Avelyn is terrible because it fires three weaker shots, so if you only get one hit in you're missing out on a ton of damage you could have gotten from using any other Crossbow. Server is MUCH better than Gravelord because of both moveset and it does more damage. Scimitar and Falchion are both great weapons due to their speed. Painting Guardian Sword is easily the best of any of the Curved Swords. You're really going to tell me that Jagged Ghost Blade is better than any of those three?
Dagger has the fastest on-hand attack in the entire game, and believe it or not also has the highest DPS. While the Demon's Greataxe is the strongest weapon, if you could literally sit there and bash on your opponents, a buffed Dagger will do the most damage of any weaopn in the ENTIRE GAME.
Demon's Greathammer is literally a stronger version of Dragon Tooth. Great Club has much better damage than the Large Club. Also, getting a status effect in a PvP fight is rare, especially on the Large Club which has huge damage. You're going to kill someone before the poison kicks in, it's that simple. In other words, the poison effect is completely useless.
Great Lord Greatsword has one of the best PURE PHYSICAL damage outputs in the entire game. Pure Physical always wins against split damage.
Bastard Sword has the third highest AR of any Greatsword in the game that doesn't have split damage, just under the Cursed Arty sword and Abyss Greatsword, which have arguably worse movesets than the Bastard Sword and weigh almost twice as much. On top of that, they're only better when you have practically max stats. Scythe is one of the best Halberds due to its DEX scaling over other Halberds. Halberd gets the Leo Boost and could very easily be the best Halberd in the game, if not the best light weapon.
Pickaxe is an amazing Strength weapon since it does thrusting damage and as such gets a Bonus from the Leo Ring. Even without the Leo Ring, it still does extra counter damage that non-thrust weapons don't have. INT Requirement doesn't matter on Channeler's. Bad moveset, bad range. Nothing more needs to be said.
Zweihander doesn't even need a reason, it's an amazing weapon.

A lot of my choices are there because I usually only use 2 rings EVER(Havels and RoFaP) the other reason why I'd rather use a weapon that does damage via other means be it Magic, Dark, Poison or bleed is because, to be honest, I usually R1 people to death, I rarely ever Dual hand a weapon and I rarely ever R2. Before you say "Ohh you're going to be parried" like countless others have.. it's rare to find someone with the ability to parry you, they'd sit and have their shield up if need be actually a lot of people just do that.

I'm going to be honest here, from the way you put things it seems like you've never done a pure DEX/STR build.