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    Post by Soul of Stray Demon Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:30 pm

    Yeah, I can't look people in the eye at all. I have to look to the side of them.
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    Post by reim0027 Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:14 pm

    I try to mimic them. If they don't look at me in the eye, I do the same. If they look at me in the eye, I do the same too. But, it sometimes helps to find a freckle on their cheek to look at, or just watch their nostrils. They can't tell the difference.

    BTW, people who look you in the eye generally are not comfortable if you shift your gaze. They prefer to be looked in the eye. That is, of course, if they aren't trying to intimidate you.
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    Post by tigab95 Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:37 pm

    Im an 100% sure that Im attracted to women but somehow Im confused about guys : Im not attracted to men in general but if a guys is cute enough (in a girly way ) I can be very attracted to him , even if im a 100% sure that hes a guy ( It even can get me excited about it ) Well Im confused silly
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    Post by reim0027 Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:55 pm

    Are you confused if you are attracted to men, or should you be attracted to men?
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    Post by tigab95 Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:15 am

    reim0027 wrote:Are you confused if you are attracted to men, or should you be attracted to men?

    the fact is : Men  that look a lot like girls can attract me and the fact that I know that they are men attracts me more and cute convincing crossdressers also attract for the same reasons but men who just look like men dont attract me .

    Im sorry , I know this is confusing silly
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    Post by Yarxov Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:22 am

    I stare into their souls and break them before me. But then I go and hide away from all the crowds.

    I think they call that "Bi-curious"
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    Post by tigab95 Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:26 am

    Yarxov wrote:I stare into their souls and break them before me. But then I go and hide away from all the crowds.

    I think they call that "Bi-curious"
    I think that too but Im still a little confused
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    Post by Yarxov Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:27 am

    Hmm...are they so feminine looking they look like an anime character? I think thats it.
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    Post by Dibsville Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:31 am

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    Post by Yarxov Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:33 am

    Prostration 
    there there dibs.

    there there.
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    Post by tigab95 Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:36 am

    Yarxov wrote:Hmm...are they so feminine looking they look like an anime character? I think thats it.
    Well , Im mostly attracted to real people but I can also be attracted by anime characters but with real people its more serious and with anime its only fantasies
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    Post by Yarxov Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:38 am

    I dont know then haha. I suggest flipping the nearest table and walking away.
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    Post by tigab95 Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:40 am

    Yarxov wrote:I dont know then haha. I suggest flipping the nearest table and walking away.
    Im pretty sure Im just bi-curious in a way so its ok XD no need to flip tables for that its not a big deal at all happy
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    Post by Soul of Stray Demon Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:13 am

    Um, actually.

    Being attracted to crossdressers is kinda natural for males.

    It's not that you're attracted to their masculinity. You're attracted to femininity. That sounds like you're heterosexual.

    And I'm wondering, when you are saying "men" are you referring to actual crossdressers, or to transgender people as well?

    Because you shouldn't be referring to a trans women (male to female) as a man. It's very and disrespectful of their identity..

    I am actually attracted to feminine men as well.. but for the most part, I like men..

    I do know I'm pretty much Bisexual though.
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    Post by Yarxov Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:17 am

    What always confused me was the term "*** transgender" I suppose its as it is though, a man who is a woman who likes women?

    All is well Stray demon, as long as you dont ship Otonashi with Yurippe because everyone knows he belongs with Kanade.
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    Post by Soul of Stray Demon Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:28 am

    Transgender pretty much is a term that applies to someone who identifies differently then their assigned birth sex, (so what the doctor said)..

    There are plenty of transgender men as well (female to male).

    In fact, not everybody even identifies as male or female.

    Our type of society is actually quite odd in that we do class people in just two genders. There are many cultures that have multiple genders and one even has 7 different genders.

    And with their sexual orientation, it's not attached to their identification. There's plenty of trans women who like men, and plenty of trans women who like woman. (For example)

    I'm plenty open with the fact I'm transgender, (assigned male at birth, but identify much more as a female.) And, it's hard to find a place in this world. People who normally would be my friends, might turn on me, and even my very own family struggles with it.

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    Post by Yarxov Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:48 am

    It is a shame that it is frowned upon so much, I suppose its because they simply dont understand it so they fear/hate it.
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    Post by Soul of Stray Demon Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:05 am

    People naturally fear what they don't understand.. But sadly, instead of trying to learn and understand, they just decide to hate and discriminate instead.

    Luckily though, I haven't had that bad an experience in my life due to it. Pretty much everyone who knows is at least somewhat fine with it, and the main problem with my parents, is them failing to realize how important it is to me. But at the same time, they are trying to protect me from being bullied as well. I just wish they would let me make that decision though.
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    Post by Encore Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:39 am

    Hah... Something to confess? Long time ago I posted in this thread...

    Hm... Heh, I suppose I can confess about my sub-par math skills. Heh, I'm working on bettering myself, though. happy
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    Post by Serious_Much Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:03 am

    For me I confess transgender are different to men and women for me. Since in a way they're both genders, but neither as well.

    Post op can be tricky medically too, especially since if someone isn't for forthcoming about their past gender it can cause a giant *** up in terms of medical treatment due to biochemical and anatomical mismatch (and hormone levels which are very abnormal)
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    Post by Forum Pirate Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:51 am

    In all things: One may choose what to consider oneself, up to and including God.

    One may not dictate what I consider one, or how I treat one based on that. (IE, my thoughts)

    Most frequently, this issue comes up with people who try to tell me "how I actually feel" or "why I really did that," but lots of people, often people involved in "alternative" lifestyles or hobbies (everything from transgender to brony,) seem to think they have a right to dictate my thoughts to me.

    Infuriating, and futile.

    That said, if a "girl" was up front I'd honestly consider things. Doesn't seem likely, but serious thought I do not have the information to do now would be in order.

    If not up front, auto-kick. (as in I find out from another source) I don't take well to having things purposely hidden, it speaks of a lack of trust and that is intolerable. especially if things gets in the way of my goals. (I want kids.)

    It's noteworthy that I don't date until after I know a person fairly well. It's a whole long philosophical thing.
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    Post by Serious_Much Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:10 pm

    Well I wouldn't date someone transgender personally. I also at some point will want kids, and also to me surgery or no, it doesn't make them a girl in my view, much as they try to manipulate their anatomy to be so.. It's kinda the same principle as Michael Jackson making himself white. It was a decent attempt, but it wasn't genuine. That's what I can't handle.
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    Post by GrinTwist Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:29 pm

    I actually prefer the system of magic in Demon's Souls over Dark Souls. It makes me want to replay the whole game over again.
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    Post by Forum Pirate Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:39 pm

    but not having actually been in the situation I can't say for sure, and in the situation I'd need to consider a good many things before reaching a decision.

    I determine "right" and "wrong" (for me, fitting me as a person, not as moral judgements) ways to live my life based on a logical framework. As medicine doesn't appear to know jack squat, it would take me a while to actually determine my beliefs and make sure they're logically sound and consistent and that would be a necessity before I made a decision. I have no reason to at present, because none of it affects me directly.





    Also, yes. I'm not excited for "overpowered fireworks" in 2. They're wrecking one of their core western fantasy based things.
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    Post by Soul of Stray Demon Mon Oct 21, 2013 4:09 pm

    Serious_Much wrote:Well I wouldn't date someone transgender personally. I also at some point will want kids (Adoption, which you should be seriously considering anyway, because of our growing population) , and also to me surgery or no, it doesn't make them a girl in my view, much as they try to manipulate their anatomy to be so (Why should their anatomy have anything to do with their mind and personality?).. It's kinda the same principle as Michael Jackson making himself white. It was a decent attempt, but it wasn't genuine. That's what I can't handle.
    Here, I normally don't like to use this argument but you opened it right up.

    You're implying because their body was born one way, then their mind can't work another way.. Which is already known to be not true in many cases.. but anyway.

    If a bodily difference means that you should treat them in a different way, then what's the difference between that, and the racism?

    "They're different, so let's pick on them." (And kinda afraid to mention it.. but Slavery as well)

    You shouldn't treat someone based off their body, but rather their mind..

    And whatever reason you think comparing transgender people to Micheal Jackson makes.... I really can't see.




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